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Rupert Cornwell


Sunday 30 November 2014


[h=1]US considers a change in the law to allow gambling on sports[/h]
[h=3]Out of America: Nearly a century after the 'Black Sox' affair, official America is starting to clamour for a slice of the action[/h]


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America is an odd place, a mixture of libertarianism, licence and puritanism. You can stuff your house with enough guns to equip a mercenary army or join the craziest of sects. You can indulge the right to free speech as nowhere on the planet. Yet you can't have a legal drink until you're 21. And, according to a 1992 law passed by Congress, unless you live in Nevada (read Las Vegas) you virtually can't bet on sport.

Compare and contrast with Britain – the country that exported Puritanism to the US along with the Pilgrim Fathers, but where almost every trace of it has long since vanished. Not a high street is without a betting shop, where you can put a tenner on your favourite football team scoring the first goal or on the fortunes of US teams playing strange, non-Brit sports 5,000 miles away. And if you don't fancy an excursion to the high street, you can place your bet by mobile phone or even with the TV remote.
Not in America, though. It's not that the locals don't like a flutter. Casinos are everywhere, in 46 of the 50 states, from the gambling mecca of Vegas to inner cities, garden suburbs, riverboats and Indian reservations. You can play the slots with quarters or stake your pay on a hand of blackjack or a spin of the roulette wheel.
But as far as sport's concerned, there's only Nevada – or a medley of shady offshore websites and dodgy bookies. Yet vast numbers of people are evidently prepared to take the risk. The turnover of illegal sports betting in the US has been estimated at around $400bn (£260bn) a year – and, not surprisingly, official America is starting to clamour for a slice of the action.
In a way, the aversion to legalised sports betting is understandable – not just a remnant of Puritanism, but a legacy of, arguably, the biggest sporting scandal in history. Imagine that the FA Cup final was fixed. Impossible, you will say, even in an age when criminal Asian betting syndicates are extending their poisonous tentacles into sports worldwide. Yet the equivalent happened in the US in 1919, when gamblers fixed baseball's World Series, the showcase event of what was then the country's showcase sport.
The memory of the "Black Sox" scandal, when players of the Chicago White Sox were bribed to lose games, still haunts not just baseball but all the big American pro-sports leagues. Even now, a poster warning that any dealings with gamblers will lead to a ban for life is displayed in every major league baseball clubhouse.
As recently as the early 1980s, Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays, two of the game's greatest ever players, were banned: not for betting or passing on inside tips to gamblers – but for taking jobs as greeters at casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey. These days, doping with steroids and addictive painkillers, domestic violence and traumatic head injuries, especially in football and ice hockey, are the true problems of American sport. Almost quaintly though, gambling remains the ultimate sin.
Nearly a century has passed since the Black Sox affair, and the age of Damon Runyon and his characters Harry the Horse and Nathan Detroit is long gone. Gambling is now a largely computerised big business; casinos are a major employer and vital source of revenue for many states.
Sports betting may soon catch up with this changed reality. Until now the biggest opponents of legalisation have been the pro leagues, under the mantra of "preserving the integrity" of their sport. But even this stance has been laced with hypocrisy.
You may not be able to bet on real games, but you can on the "fantasy leagues" supported by the various sports – even though these leagues are based on the real-life, anything-but-fantasy, performance of players, and thus theoretically susceptible to the very corruption their promoters claim to fight. Indeed, fantasy leagues were specifically exempted from a 2006 law passed by Congress that clamped down on offshore internet gambling.
Now the dam is crumbling. New Jersey has long been pressing to join Nevada as a site for legal sports betting, not least to boost the fortunes of floundering Atlantic City, where four casinos have shut this year alone. Governor Chris Christie, a leading contender for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, has signed into law a bill to that effect, and New Jerseyites support the measure by a six-to-one margin (so much for Puritanism in the land of Tony Soprano).
The law predictably came under instant challenge from the major sports leagues: American football's NFL, baseball's MLB, hockey's NHL, and the National Basketball Association. Then Adam Silver, the NBA chief executive, or commissioner, this month dropped his bombshell.
Writing in The New York Times, Silver came out in favour of legalised sports betting. Gambling, he noted, has become a popular form of entertainment. That Las Vegas odds on games are now published in the mainstream press, he argued, proves that people want to bet. He opposes the specific law passed in New Jersey, but urges Congress to adopt a legal framework within which individual states could pass their own laws.
Thus betting on sport would be brought in from the cold, "into the sunlight" where it can be monitored and regulated. Silver wants these nationwide rules to include obligatory and instant reporting of suspicious fluctuations in odds; a national standard for the licensing of bookies and betting organisations; checks to keep minors from betting; and a mechanism to weed out those with a gambling problem and to educate people about how to bet responsibly.
Prohibition didn't stop Americans drinking, and the on-going "war on drugs" has not stopped America from having the highest rate of illegal drug consumption on Earth. By every indication, the ban on sports gambling has been similarly futile. Blame it on the Puritans or whomever. It's time for it to go
 

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Prohibition didn't stop Americans drinking, and the on-going "war on drugs" has not stopped America from having the highest rate of illegal drug consumption on Earth. By every indication, the ban on sports gambling has been similarly futile
 

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Couldn't help but notice this:

"and a mechanism to weed out those with a gambling problem".

How big a joke is that? Casino gambling as it exists now..... prides itself on wringing every red cent possible out of each and every person.

The only reason they don’t just cripple people right away, is because...... it is more of an art to keep them barely breathing.... just in case they have a recurring income. That way the company can kill them financially over and over as time passes.

Some will wish to disagree…….. all I have said here is BALLS-ON accurate!
 

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Couldn't help but notice this:

"and a mechanism to weed out those with a gambling problem".

How big a joke is that? Casino gambling as it exists now..... prides itself on wringing every red cent possible out of each and every person.

The only reason they don’t just cripple people right away, is because...... it is more of an art to keep them barely breathing.... just in case they have a recurring income. That way the company can kill them financially over and over as time passes.

Some will wish to disagree…….. all I have said here is BALLS-ON accurate!
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you can gamble on the outcome of a sporting event?
 

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I honestly don't know if it should be like the lottery, and you can buy tickets in every gas station....

but I think casino's should allow it.. but I don't think it should be kiosk in bars where you can place bets
 

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It may be at the pace of snails, but I think they are slowly coming around.

Hey U.S. Government... Listen to people like NBA Commissioner Adam Silver.
He understands this is 2014 and has a clue...
 

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When they outlaw alcohol in casinos, then I will believe they are looking out for us
 

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If they are gonna do it then I think they shouldn't be allowed to issue credit. If you want to gamble you should have to come up with the money to post up first.
 

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It may be at the pace of snails, but I think they are slowly coming around.

Hey U.S. Government... Listen to people like NBA Commissioner Adam Silver.
He understands this is 2014 and has a clue...

Be very careful what you wish for. Silver wants legalized sports gambling where the NBA can profit. He does not like the NJ law because he wants assurances such as "to prevent minors from gambling". What? Standards that are different from already existing casino or lotto sales outlet?

Don't let him fool you, if Congress legalizes it and the leagues take a chunk there is a good chance it will be legal in all 50 states at either -120 or parlays like they do in Ontario. Either one is a giant loss for true sports gamblers. I hope nobody on this site would even think about betting -120 or government sponsored parlay cards. Those bets are for suckers and if passed into federal law it would take another 20 years to overturn. It is either -110 single game bets or a big loss to anybody on this forum.
 

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If they are gonna do it then I think they shouldn't be allowed to issue credit. If you want to gamble you should have to come up with the money to post up first.

Just like Vegas, let it be in every indian casino or any other casino, plus apps.
 

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Be very careful what you wish for. Silver wants legalized sports gambling where the NBA can profit. He does not like the NJ law because he wants assurances such as "to prevent minors from gambling". What? Standards that are different from already existing casino or lotto sales outlet?

Don't let him fool you, if Congress legalizes it and the leagues take a chunk there is a good chance it will be legal in all 50 states at either -120 or parlays like they do in Ontario. Either one is a giant loss for true sports gamblers. I hope nobody on this site would even think about betting -120 or government sponsored parlay cards. Those bets are for suckers and if passed into federal law it would take another 20 years to overturn. It is either -110 single game bets or a big loss to anybody on this forum.
well said.

They should let it be like it was before 2007. Let the free market do its thing. Competition is good for the consumer. End of story.
 

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Be very careful what you wish for. Silver wants legalized sports gambling where the NBA can profit. He does not like the NJ law because he wants assurances such as "to prevent minors from gambling". What? Standards that are different from already existing casino or lotto sales outlet?

Don't let him fool you, if Congress legalizes it and the leagues take a chunk there is a good chance it will be legal in all 50 states at either -120 or parlays like they do in Ontario. Either one is a giant loss for true sports gamblers. I hope nobody on this site would even think about betting -120 or government sponsored parlay cards. Those bets are for suckers and if passed into federal law it would take another 20 years to overturn. It is either -110 single game bets or a big loss to anybody on this forum.


If the government is involved (which they have to be to get approval).... it will, by definition, be a huge rip-off. When government is involved they automatically have to hire somebody's brother, nephew, puss, or whoever. Then they have to pay these people way too much.... the whole things becomes a huge screw job to consumers. You ever really looked at the odds they pay out for Powerball or Mega-whatever the hell they call it.
 

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If they are gonna do it then I think they shouldn't be allowed to issue credit. If you want to gamble you should have to come up with the money to post up first.

See Vitterd, that's how you score a Knockout. Mike B just KO'd 3/4 of the Forum :)
 

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If it does become legal it'll be more of a company like Cantor being allowed to operate in every state and take bets online. Not some gov't run -120, shitty parlay odds type deal. Although there may be some of that too but it'll moreso be like a legalized/regulated version of 5D/bookmaker I think.

Unfortunately if you hit a nice score or two, it would be tough to avoid taxes.
 

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Unfortunately if you hit a nice score or two, it would be tough to avoid taxes.


Hence...... every swinging dick around would still be betting illegally.

Don't forget...... even though "less than nobody" can win long range sports betting...... everyone thinks they can..... Dreams they will.

So people will still want to avoid taxes...... and Uncle Jack "Bet your dumb-assed parlays with me" will still be in business!
 

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