HUGE difference between Ankiel and Cust. Ankiel "flamed out" as a pitcher and came back as a hitter. He was absolutely dominating pretty consistently in his early 20s and then got the yips and couldn't throw a strike. His reported HGH use was as he was trying to recover from tommy john surgery. In my opinion it takes nothing away from what he's done. One of the best baseball stories of the last 10+ years.
Cust, on the other hand, flamed out in the minors of multiple organizations because he couldn't hit--particularly breaking pitches, which he still struggles with.
I agree with you Mindware.
These athletes aren't putting HGH and steriods in their bodies for the hell of it. They are puttting it in their bodies because it makes a difference.
Recovery time is a huge advantage, especially on a 162 game schedule.
quote=Mindware;5096624]This has to be one of the dumbest posts i've read here. According to your logic, i suppose you wouldn't care if every single pro sports athelete (soccer, bball, football, on and on) started roiding up huh? I mean after all, all of the major sports pretty much involves hand-eye coordination.
I agree with you that steroids don't enhance your hand-eye coordination, but what you're not understanding is the fact that some of those HR's that Bonds hit would've been 10ft shorter of being HR's without the roids[/quote]
These athletes aren't putting HGH and steriods in their bodies for the hell of it. They are puttting it in their bodies because it makes a difference.
Recovery time is a huge advantage, especially on a 162 game schedule.
quote=Mindware;5096624]This has to be one of the dumbest posts i've read here. According to your logic, i suppose you wouldn't care if every single pro sports athelete (soccer, bball, football, on and on) started roiding up huh? I mean after all, all of the major sports pretty much involves hand-eye coordination.
I agree with you that steroids don't enhance your hand-eye coordination, but what you're not understanding is the fact that some of those HR's that Bonds hit would've been 10ft shorter of being HR's without the roids[/quote]
BOYS THERE ISNT ANY ARGUEMENT IT HELPS HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPLAIN ALL THE KNOWN CHEATERS ALL BROKE CAREER RECORDS IN THE STEROID ERA.WHY DIDNT SOSA,MAGUIRE,BONDS,PALMERO, EVER HIT 50 HOMERUNS IN A SEASON ONCE THEY GOT JUICED UP THEY WERE WHACKING 62,66,73 LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS THEY HAVE BEEN UNHEARD OF IN 120 YEARS OF BASEBALL WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE BETTER NUTRITION CUT THE SHIT THEY CHEATED.INSTEAD OF DEEP FLY BALLS TO THE WARNING TRACK ON JUICE YOU HAVE THE EXTRA STRENGHT TO GET IT OUT OF THE BALL PARK.YOU CANT ARGUE WITH FACTS AND THE FACTS ARE UNTIL STEROIDS CAME ON THE SCENE HOMERUNS WERE DOWN EVEN LAST YEAR WITH THE THREAT OF TESTING HOMERUNS WERE WAY DOWN OR BACK TO NORMAL YOU WILL NEVER SEE 73 AGAIN IF THEY CONTINUE TO TEST FOR STEROIDS.
I AM JUST SURPRISED THEY DIDNT HAUL ALBERT POULOS FROM THE CARDINALS IN I KNEW HE WASNT DOING IT NATURALLY.YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT THIS GUYS CAREER HE IS DONE WITHOUT ROIDS.HE WILL BE JUST ANOTHER OUT OF SHAPE FIRST BASEMAN WITH LIMITED POWER.
I AM JUST SURPRISED THEY DIDNT HAUL ALBERT POULOS FROM THE CARDINALS IN I KNEW HE WASNT DOING IT NATURALLY.YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT THIS GUYS CAREER HE IS DONE WITHOUT ROIDS.HE WILL BE JUST ANOTHER OUT OF SHAPE FIRST BASEMAN WITH LIMITED POWER.
If you don't think these drugs help than you are being ignorant.
Sure go to your local gym and pull out some juice heads and see if they can hit the ball................How is that even relevant to a major leage player taking juice? Most likely your local juice head was a average HS ball player and nothing more, with or without juice, he could never hit a major league pitch.
HGH/Steroids have other benefits though. They don't all make you blow up 20lbs of muscle and make you walk around like the next famous bodybuilder. Certain steroids can improve endurance, like said above it makes you feel more confident, a lower dose of testosterone can make you feel younger which leads to quicker recovery, especially in a game where you often play 5 times a week. HGH use is often talked about as the fountain of youth because of its benefits to make older people feel more healthy and feel younger than their age. The ability as a pitcher to improve your arm strength certainly leads to an increase in velocity. A guy who is a .300 hitter, meaning he can put the ball in play, who maybe had a lot of doubles now turns those doubles into home runs with his increased strength. Steroids don't have to improve your hand-eye cordination to be effective and considered an advantage, that is a pretty weak argument.
Sure go to your local gym and pull out some juice heads and see if they can hit the ball................How is that even relevant to a major leage player taking juice? Most likely your local juice head was a average HS ball player and nothing more, with or without juice, he could never hit a major league pitch.
HGH/Steroids have other benefits though. They don't all make you blow up 20lbs of muscle and make you walk around like the next famous bodybuilder. Certain steroids can improve endurance, like said above it makes you feel more confident, a lower dose of testosterone can make you feel younger which leads to quicker recovery, especially in a game where you often play 5 times a week. HGH use is often talked about as the fountain of youth because of its benefits to make older people feel more healthy and feel younger than their age. The ability as a pitcher to improve your arm strength certainly leads to an increase in velocity. A guy who is a .300 hitter, meaning he can put the ball in play, who maybe had a lot of doubles now turns those doubles into home runs with his increased strength. Steroids don't have to improve your hand-eye cordination to be effective and considered an advantage, that is a pretty weak argument.
