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All state pupils may be taught Islamic traditions as part of compulsory citizenship lessons

By Matthew Hickley
Last updated at 1:25 AM on 19th July 2008

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aditions-compulsory-citizenship-lessons.html#
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Hazel Blears: 'We won't dictate on matters of faith'

State school pupils are set to be taught Islamic traditions and values in compulsory citizenship lessons.
The move - part of a package of initiatives announced by Communities Secretary Hazel Blears yesterday - is designed to curb extremism.

Education campaigners warned however against giving Islam a privileged position over other faiths.

Other plans announced by Miss Blears also drew criticism - including a state-funded panel of Islamic scholars and theologians to provide community leadership.

Prominent Muslims said this scheme was naive because Government endorsement would erode the credibility of those taking part, especially among the young and disaffected.

Another measure will see Muslim children being taught citizenship lessons by imams in mosque schools - in the hope that they will be better equipped to resist extremist messages.

Many Muslim youngsters in the UK attend evening classes at madrassah schools attached to mosques, where imams give instruction in the Koran and Islamic history.

Ministers want imams to stress that the Koran places a duty on all Muslims to be good neighbours, carry out voluntary work and play an active part in civic society.


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Pilot schemes will begin in October in London, Leicester, Birmingham, Oldham, Rochdale, and Bradford.

The Department for Communities and Local Government has tasked the Islam & Citizenship Education group with producing the teaching materials for mosques.

The organisation, however, wants to extend its remit to mainstream state schools by 'teaching Islamic traditions and values in the school citizenship curriculum'.

David Conway, senior research fellow at the Civitas think-tank, said: 'Some will see this as another sign of a creeping process of Islamisation - an insidious process which plays down the Christian basis of our culture and encourages children to learn more and more about Islam's contribution.

'Muslims are still a relatively small minority in Britain and, while I have nothing against children in our multi-religious society learning about each other's faiths, for one particular faith to be privileged in mainstream schools seems to me pointless, and won't make for greater harmony.

'I fear it will play into the hands of the small minority who want to see the Islamisation of Europe, and believe they will triumph through sheer numbers.'

Unlike religious education classes, citizenship lessons, which do not cover issues of belief, are compulsory.

Nick Seaton, chairman of the Campaign for Real Education, said: 'We should not single out one particular faith. Citizenship is supposed to be secular.

'Children can learn about particular religious values in religious education lessons. That's why parents have the right to withdraw. It's a very different matter to promote a particular faith's values as part of compulsory citizenship lessons.

'It seems to me dangerous to single out the one faith which is probably linked to the most problems with terrorism at the moment for special treatment.'

Khalid Mahmood, project manager of Islam & Citizenship Education, stressed that the project was at a very early stage.

He said: 'The material is being developed for the madrassahs but we are putting it together so that people in mainstream schools would also be able to use it.'

Miss Blears announced details of the panel of 20 leading Muslim experts which will have £100,000 in state funding.

Based at Cambridge University, the experts will be expected to compile reports on key issues in the lives of British Muslims, such as the wearing of Islamic veils by women.

Miss Blears insisted the new panel would be independent, adding: 'It is not for Government to dictate on matters of faith or religious teaching.'

Dr Azzam Tamimi, of the Institute of Islamic Political Thought in London, said the scheme was doomed to failure.

He said: 'This is a naive initiative. This not how Muslim education or awareness works.

'When a Muslim individual seeks advice or knowledge he or she would usually go to a person they consider to be credible or an authority, and usually Muslims are suspicious of government-sponsored or organised commissions.'

Dr Tamimi told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme ministers were trying to dictate to Muslims over religious awareness and education.
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Let's face it, Europe (as we know it) is finished. In 20 years, most of it's geographical landscape will be Pan-Islamic. This is a demographic certainty.

How did this happen in very short period of time? It happened because Europeans lost their IDENTITY. Without identity, a society cannot summon the will to defend itself -- because there is nothing to defend.

Without IDENTITY, people stop reproducing, people become decadent and destructive, people become morally confused...people lose their innate purpose for life.

Europe's leftist 'elites' (the same pompous imbeciles HERE who are lecturing us on why need to learn SPANISH and FRENCH!) have socially engineered their people into extinction.

Folks, valueless cosmopolitanism is poison. Atheism is the greatest fraud in human history. All cultures are NOT equal and all values are NOT morally equivalent or "subjective" -- unless of course your personal feelings happen to be your moral compass.

In the coming years, Europeans will learn the harsh lesson that cultural and religious identities of people are of paramount importance for a civil world, indeed for the survival of liberty itself.

Europe is in the early states of socially engineering itself into bondage under the banner of "multiculturalism." For without strong cultural and national identity there can be no liberty.

The framers of the United States of America understood this ("E Pluribus Unum" -- Out of many, one); the morally and intellectually impaired barnman-Soros-Obama secular "progressives" do not (multiculturalism: to each his/her own)

Right now in the United States there are only TWO political ideologies:

a) The "progressive" left -- influential political and intellectual forces in our society who want to stamp out all vestiges of American unity and historical continuity under the banners of "multiculturalism", "tolerance" and "human rights."

b) The rest of us.

STOP THE IMBECILIC LEFT!
 

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Let's face it, Europe (as we know it) is finished. In 20 years, most of it's geographical landscape will be Pan-Islamic. This is a demographic certainty.

How did this happen in very short period of time? It happened because Europeans lost their IDENTITY. Without identity, a society cannot summon the will to defend itself -- because there is nothing to defend.

Without IDENTITY, people stop reproducing, people become decadent and destructive, people become morally confused...people lose their innate purpose for life.

Europe's leftist 'elites' (the same type of pompous imbeciles HERE who are lecturing us on why need to learn SPANISH and FRENCH!) have socially engineered their people into extinction.

Folks, valueless cosmopolitanism is poison. Atheism is the greatest fraud in human history. All cultures are NOT equal and all values are NOT morally equivalent or "subjective" -- unless of course your personal feelings happen to be your moral compass.

In the coming years, Europeans will learn the harsh lesson that cultural and religious identities of people are of paramount importance for a civil world, indeed for the survival of liberty itself.

Europe is in the middle of socially engineering itself into bondage under the banner of "multiculturalism." For without strong cultural and national identity there can be no liberty.

The framers of the United States of America understood this ("E Pluribus Unum" -- out of many, one); the morally and intellectually impaired barnman-Soros-Obama secular "progressives" do not (multiculturalism: to each his/her own)

Right now in the United States there are only TWO political ideologies:

a) The "progressive" left -- influential political and intellectual cancers in our society who want to stamp out all vestiges of American unity and historical continuity under the banners of "multiculturalism", "tolerance" and "human rights."

b) The rest of us.

STOP THE IMBECILIC LEFT!
 

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These governments don't represent core values in europe.

People know instinctively what will guarantee their survival, it's in your genetic code.

The commies tried 70 years of total brainwashing, making everything from religion to racism illegal.

Within 10 years of the end of communism the same tribal stuff that started world war one began again.
Heck. We even got genocide in the Balkans.

:grandmais
 

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These governments don't represent core values in europe.

People know instinctively what will guarantee their survival, it's in your genetic code.

The commies tried 70 years of total brainwashing, making everything from religion to racism illegal.

Within 10 years of the end of communism the same tribal stuff that started world war one began again.
Heck. We even got genocide in the Balkans.

:grandmais

Hey eek - these are your politicians giving you back what you voted for.
Soylent Green and 1984 are previews of coming attractions.

As for the Americans on the forum - this is what you get with Barrack Obama and the rest of the elitist left wing - big brother in ways you could never imagine.
 

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The practitioners of "multiculturalism" -- who dominate the humanities and social-science faculties of the nation's elite universities as well as the public-school curricula -- don't care about the importance of healthy societal standards. Not do they care about the proud history of American Exceptionalism.

Instead, what they focus on is women's history, "African-American" (an identity coined by Rev. Jesse Jackson) history, Hispanic or Latino history, "gay" history, and so forth.

And yes, Barrack Obama is one of clueless these elites who does NOT represent the values of Mainstream America...

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:finger: "Progressives"!!

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Bipolar meds kick Mark into Manic state a bit later than expected, but we should be able to enjoy his cartoon schtick now until mid day Monday.
 

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Imagine the gall of promoting any of the following to our up and coming generations!


Much better to teach them to pick up a gun and shoot other-colored people on command while singing the appropriate National Anthem.
 

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E pluribus unum -- Out of many, one.

Out of many colonies or states emerged a single nation -- a UNITED nation. One with a single federal government, comprising not merely a multiplicity of individuals and cultures but also a multiplicity of states, each sovereign in its own sphere.

The experiment worked -- at least for a time. Reason: it possessed an ordering principle in the Constitution, which explicitly enumerated the powers of the central government and specified that those "not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited to it by the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The divisive barnman-Soros-Obama loony left have better ideas...because...well...they are smarter than the rest of us and thus demand we give them the top-down statist control and redistributionism they have in Europe -- a culture which is disintegrating right before our very eyes.

The divisive loony barman-Soros-Obama left is destroying my country! :puke1:

STOP THE LEFT!!
 

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MARK rages:The barman-Soros-Obama left is destorying my country!

SH: Nothing we are doing is bringing harm to the great country of Canada.

How's the weather in Toronto these days, Markie?

:howdy:
 

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MARK rages:The barman-Soros-Obama left is destorying my country!

SH: Nothing we are doing is bringing harm to the great country of Canada.

How's the weather in Toronto these days, Markie?

:howdy:

I saw Joe C at Church and Wellesley on a date...it was a bigger woman but it was still a date...

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Mark L being the cat in the back there with the red Santa hat, eh?

That's a real handsome woman to his right, indeed.
 

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:coke: barnman has ZERO credibility, kingbill. You only make yourself look like a total ass by playing along with his delusions.

First he said I was Canadian. :drink:

Then he said I was from Texas. :icon_conf

Then he said I was "Gameface" *sound effect of airplane crashing*

Then he said I was an alcoholic :missingte

He thinks he's constantly poking a stick in my eye because he's been told by another loser that my name is really "Mark Lanquel".... :nohead:

Recently he claimed I was MR MJ which only cost JDOG some $1000 -- something I'm sure JDOG appreciates. :aktion033

He's scoured the internet spending hours on Google in search of my real identity, only to keep firing blanks...

Now he's claiming I'm Canadian again? :lolBIG:

Kingbill, what losers like barnman -- indeed the left -- specialize in is character assassination. They think if throw enough of their bullshit against the wall, eventually some it will stick.

That's what the left does -- I'm used to it. They can't/won't debate the ISSUES so instead they prefer to name call and throw food -- trying to drag us into their Romper Room.

Sorry loony lefties, it won't work.

:howdy:
 

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Fun stuff, Mark.

*A former Rx Moderator provided me with the info you were "Gameface" and a Texas resident.

Wilheim politely sent me an email last week telling me that this former RxMod had unfortunately given me false information.

But he also confirmed that you've been posting for past three years steady from Toronto.

And of course I think we're all aware of your liberal use of the drugs alcohol and various bipolar meds. Thank goodness for chemicals.

*And I think we all knew you weren't Mr MJ. He's far more rational and nowhere near as silly as you.

*"Scouring the internet" for "Joe Contrarian" takes about 30 seconds as your cartoon persona has only one home. If you ever grow a set of balls big enough to take your Faux Conservatism into a legitimate mainstream venue - newspapers, radio, television, live debate - please advise us immediately so we can bump your Respect level from CartoonCaricature to at least KindaSerious.

Raise a Glass to the RxPoliticoPub!
 

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Joe you're the one who said you were Canadian...then you switched...I'm too lazy to look but you're first 1000 word diatribe was on the Canadian Election...

Too many people take you too serious...I appreciate the way you get under peoples skins...but I love it when someone rattles you and you blow up...

especially when they point out how you fight to the death against social services yet if it wasn't for those same services you would have been left in the orphanage.

Oh I don't need anyone else to make me look like a Jackass...
 

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So Mark was raised in an orphanage?

If so, it may well explain why he's so gung-ho with the "PUNISH THEM HARDER" philosophy as the best means to motivate behavioral change.
 

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Joe you're the one who said you were Canadian...then you switched...I'm too lazy to look but you're first 1000 word diatribe was on the Canadian Election.

Too many people take you too serious...I appreciate the way you get under peoples skins...but I love it when someone rattles you and you blow up...

especially when they point out how you fight to the death against social services yet if it wasn't for those same services you would have been left in the orphanage.

Oh I don't need anyone else to make me look like a Jackass...

Kingbill, I appreciate the feedback.

Let me give you some advice: hanging around and conspiring with loser is not recommended. For one, he regularly participates in activities that are a felony and quite frankly wouldn't take very much effort to see him carted off screaming like the lunatic he is in the dead of the night. Maybe I'll post a poll and ask the forum if they want to see this happen, because I know enough dedicated patriots in enough agencies who could make it happen. LEAP = :missingte

I can appreciate there are lots of folks like yourself who would love to know my "real identity" and have a chance to meet me in person, but that's not going to happen. So long as slime like barnman are allowed to post and so long as I am not allowed to defend myself against his typical vicious unnecessary personal left wing slander, no can do. As I said, I am used to clowns like him. If you have a problem with this, I suggest you contact management and request that certain employees are removed from their posts.

We've all witnessed what :coke:head has said to a respected gentleman like bblight, and it ain't pretty. If someone said something like that to my wife, I'd make sure his dental bill would force him into bankruptcy. Alas, out here -- where merely 'offending' a fellow poster will get you banned -- gutter trash like that just ends up on IGNORE.

Just for the record, as some of you might have noticed, I know how to write copy, which is why my more polished, constructive material is ALL OVER the internet. I just love coming in here and blowing off steam. Oooooo....betcha barnman will spend the next 6 hours trying to figure it out! Fetch, barnman, fetch...good doggie. :missingte

barnman should consider himself fortunate that I would never crash his pathetic pro-narcotics seminars because my associates and I would make him look like a total ass, while his donations for his pathetic cause would dry up. If LEAP ever reaches more than 0.000003 the population maybe I'll start to care. :lol:

I like you kingbill -- so please don't take this personally, but I have shared some of your posts with my friends and the unanimous verdict is that your debating skills stink.

Soumi
 

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I like you kingbill -- so please don't take this personally, but I have shared some of your posts with my friends and the unanimous verdict is that your debating skills stink.

Soumi

Some of your friends? To see if I'm worthy of getting paid to post...NICE...although I must say I don't take any of this shite serious enough to debate in an anonymous gambling forum...but if you really want to go head to head on a topic lets do...we could make it interesting I'll take the conservative side and you take the liberal side...
 

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Some of your friends? To see if I'm worthy of getting paid to post...NICE...

Well, you requested for me to do so and I obliged. I, Mark L-anquel, born in Texas and last seen at the Rx bash getting smashed am always glad help out a fellow Ameri, err, I mean Canadian.

:nohead:

but if you really want to go head to head on a topic lets do...we could make it interesting I'll take the conservative side and you take the liberal side...

:lolBIG:
NO WAY! :puke1:

I have to say, I'm very comfortable and in my element debating liberals, just not with a muzzle over me mouth.

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