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Hi, folks,

2003 is so far, so good for this degenerate.
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I did very well on the Golden Globes in January, and have been picking up a bit of a run in basketball, although I'm usually not one to follow "Ball" sports and am still undergoing a learning curve. (Last night's lesson: don't assume a team with a 20-point lead will come out strong in the second half.)

Thankfully, today marks the return of the sport I have a great time 'capping, and one that is continually profitable for me. Without the corrupt influence of big money, mixed martial arts is still infinitely easier to 'cap than big boxing. Thought I'd share some thoughts with you now that I've placed my wagers.

As always, a disclaimer: we're all big boys and have to take reponsibility for our own actions. If a fight could be decided on paper, there would be no need to pay the fighters. If fights weren't unpredictable to some extent, no one would watch. So tread carefully.

Here's my grocery list for Friday's UFC 41: Onslaught card. The shows hits live PPV at 10 PM Eastern time. Unlike the shark/fish matches of November's UFC 40 card (which resulted in fairly predictable bouts, so much so that I bet finishing props instead of money lines), this line-up is pretty tight, with quite a few pick 'ems. Tighter matchmaking is good for the fans, but not so good for us. Nonetheless...

Matt Lindland (-130) def. Phil Baroni

This is certainly the grudge (re)match of the evening. Lindland is a Silver medallist in Greco-Roman wrestling from 2000, and only has one loss in MMA, to reigning champion Murilo Bustamante. Baroni also holds one loss: a decision against him vs. Lindland over a year ago. Since then, Baroni has TKOed Amar Suloev and Dave Menne, setting up his rep as a power puncher. Lindland went on to defeat Pat Miletich and Ivan Salaverry. Both these two normally look very dominant against their opposition, and Baroni's mouth has netted him more attention in recent months.

Yes, Baroni can punch. Yes, he's tough as nails. Yes, he's a charismatic figure. But Lindland is an athete with world-class credentials. He trains with the best in the world: Randy Couture, Dan Henderson, Evan Tanner. He recently hooked up with Chuck Liddell's striking coach for stand-up sharpening. He's even been able to out-trash talk the "New York Bad Ass" at every turn.

Baroni, meanwhile, has had friction with training camps in the past. He knows he was bullied by Lindland in their first bout. His one dimension is strong, but as we've seen time and again, it's difficult to rat-a-tat a flurry when someone knows it's coming, and when that someone is as adept all-around as Lindland. Look for this fight to be a carbon copy of Belfort/Couture from 1997: the puncher comes in overconfident and is smothered by the craftier athlete.


Tank Abbott (+140) def. Frank Mir

Pundits and fans are really polarized over this one. Abbott is probably the most recognizable figure on the card, and could be largely responsible for the sellout crowd expected at the Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall. His box office drawing power comes not from his record - a paltry 8-7 - but from his Tyson-esque attitude towards fighting. If you're going to go down, go down in flames. As such, Abbott has delivered some spectacular KOs against B-list opponents, but usually chokes when it comes to delivering the goods against the sport's elite. After four years away from the game and at age 37, Abbott has wound up the 'dog at most sportsbooks taking odds on the event.

His opponent is submission wiz Frank Mir, younger by over a decade, a bit bigger, and just nine months ago considered one of the best heavyweights out there. He got attention by quickly submitting two solid opponents in Roberto Traven and Pete Williams. While Traven was a solid victory, Williams was on the tail-end of a downswing in his career, and didn't really seem to give a shit. Mir's overconfidence cost him dearly against Ian Freeman last July. Despite being the heavy favorite, Mir looked liked a flopping fish as he went for submissions while brawler Freeman tenderized his face. After attempting to compose himself and instead collapsing, Mir was TKOed. Instead of challenging for a title, he began talking retirement and hasn't fought since.

So what do we have? We have a returning UFC veteran who, despite talking up his barroom brawler rep, has been training seriously for this fight, catching up to new techniques and working his cardio (always a problem) hard. At 37, he's up there for a combat athlete, but power is the last thing to go. He's the lightest he's ever been for a UFC fight. Those who have bested him in the ring have mostly been strikers at the top of their game (Mo Smith, Belfort, Pedro Rizzo). Mir is no striker by any stretch of the imagination. In fifteen fights, Tank has been submitted twice, both times at the end of a eight-man tournament. The first time, he gassed out completely after twelve minutes of fighting (and having had two fights prior that same evening). The second time, he slipped and got caught in a choke. As a whole, Tank is a very difficult guy to submit. It's never been done outside the tourney format.

Mir is psychologically damaged by a loss to a power puncher. Here he's facing a guy who hits literally twice as hard as Freeman, who is just as big as he is, who is difficult to take down, and who is looking to annoy his naysayers by putting on a credible performance. Can you really teach someone to cope with that kind of power? Yes, Tank will be rusty. But I fully expect him to decimate Mir in a match-up of styles custom made for his brand of punishment. Abbott may fare quite poorly later on. Here he's being given a win on a silver platter.


BJ Penn/Caol Uno Goes the Distance: +180

The other rematch of the evening. Penn and Uno are two ultra-crafty lightweights. Penn began his career as a finisher, but after a decision loss to Jens Pulver, started getting increasingly hesitant to engage his opponents. Uno has always played a cautious game. Their first fight ended in a flash KO for Penn. This time around, and with the belt on the line, I see both guys doing more clinching than finishing.

Since there are quite a few heavy favorites mixed in with the pick 'ems tonight, I parlayed six of the eight bouts. Took Rodriguez/Penn/Lindland/Abbott/Matyushenko/McGee. Worth a play.

Good luck to all tonight. Should be an exciting card. If I don't shame myself with these picks, I'll be posting tomorrow with thoughts on Jones/Ruiz.
 
royler....great stuff....an excellent analysis....i too,love the ufc....but,i don`t have a clue regarding the handicapping end of it...good info...i may take a ride on the lindland play...baroni`s a loudmouth,but he is a badass....i`ve seen him in the toughman contests...i`m no puss,but i wouldn`t want to go with baroni...he`s much crazier than i am
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...but,i like the more skillful guy also....and ain`t it great to see tank back..saw him on the best damned sports show the other night...and he looked in great shape(for him)...may also go with your uno-penn prop....i know penn is a finisher...but,uno is like a little spider....


whale of a thread...i enjoyed it...some weekend coming up....g.l. with your plays...
 
royler....what about lindland/baroni will not go the distance(-140).....?a guy over at jacks has posted some picks....
 

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Not long before show time. I love UFC nights! Been following the sport for eight years now and it just keeps getting better.

Sphin: Baroni IS a badass, no question. Those fists are made of cement and I won't be too pissed if he wins, since that sets up a huge marquee match in Bustamante/Baroni. But I've gotta go with the Olympian here. He's been laughing off Baroni's taunts. There's also one other key point I'm not at liberty to address on here. Suffice it to say that Baroni may have gotten too intense during a training session and it may come back to bite him in the fight.

Penn used to be a finisher, but now has "Pulveritis" and is hesitant to engage. His last two of three fights went to the cards. Uno is also a decision fighter. Couple that with the fact that this one is for the belt and they'll be too guarded to finish.

I would not take the Lindland/Baroni prop NOT to go the distance. It went to the judges last time and even those these guys hate each other, they are both very hard to finish. I would not be surprised to see a Lindland stoppage, but wouldn't wager on it. An iffy proposition at best.

OLY has a prop I've been playing with: fighter to win the fastest. Tank at +425 is appealing, but those props never seem to turn out the way you'd think. We'll probably be surprised at what the quickest finish will be.
 

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i went to school with dave (tank) and what you see is what he is a crazy s.o.b its no act.this guy was the leader of a gang called legion of doom they would show up to a party and just mop people up!!! i have some great stories about this guy that i tell on all my job site when ufc gets mentioned
 

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Royler, I have to disagree with you on the Tank being the pick. Tank is a old fighter like Shamrock and he should get his ass kicked on. I got it at -160 for 2 units and now the price is up to -240. I was going to lay another 2 units on Mir, but now the price is too high. I watched the last ufc and every favourite won, I think. Don't even know why the books would even lay out lines like the ufc. I already won a unit on Edwards and took 2 units on Matyushenko. But of all your picks, I like Lindland. Good analysis of the fights and good luck on your picks too.
 

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Win some, lose some. Lindland delivered and Uno/Penn went to the scorecards. My parlay was going just fine until they declared Uno/Penn a draw. Very bogus, as Penn clearly was the aggressor in the fifth round.

Tank was decimated. He doesn't belong in the audience of the UFC, much less in the cage. A real eye-opener. Hopefully someone made some money. Congrats to Smokey.
 

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Royler, thanks for the picks. Didn't bet big, but winning a couple hundred is always nice.

As for watching this UFC - thought it was pretty solid. Well worth my $30.
 
hey royler-thanks bud...rode with uno-penn and lindland...appreciate the heads up...good work..
 

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Hey Royler,thanks, but I tell you the booking the ufc is suicidal for the books. I think this is the first upset, in 2 ufc's. As long as the favourite is below 2, it's probably a play. Every match seems to go to decisions too and if you bet right across every match you would be ahead. I layed money on Penn and he should have won. The judges need glasses. There are virtually no upsets and Slyvia should have been the favourite in this one. Was going to lay some on Slyvia, but chickened out. I was thinking, how could someone who is 16-0 be a +470, then I thought maybe he fought bums. If they fought again, I would lay the wood on Slyvia because there is no way in my mind that Ricco can even do anything to a man that size. As long as the odds are not too high. Don't you wish that superbowl and ufc were on everyday, then you could retire in the Caribbean sipping on a martinis.
 

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Smokey,

I understand what you're saying. The matchmaking is usually quite a bit tighter than it was for UFC 40, though. I was fairly nervous throughout the Baroni/Lindland bout, as Baroni would go off with those bombs and Lindland was stuck taking them. Uno also had a legit shot at winning. I'm sure Sylvia cost some Ricco fans their dough. The others went pretty much as expected.

Abbott looked good in the ring while it lasted. I can't say I really regret my pick: on paper, it made sense. My mistake was severely underestimating Mir's submission ability. That was probably the slickest, sickest sub I've ever seen applied in competition. And considering that Mir reverted right back to his cocky attitude post-fight, I'd probably bet against him in the future.

Pride 16 is coming up in just a couple of weeks. I'll post some thoughts then. There are some good plays on the card.
 

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Royler, I have never watched Pride, normally do the favourites win and it goes to decision like ufc. Thanks, Smokey.
 

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