Two football rule changes that I think need to be changed

[quantumleap]

If a team is up 6 and the other team is driving do you feel the game should be impacted by a penalty? Do you think with .05 on the clock and at your own 30 yard line that you possibly be given a first down on the 1 yard line? Shouldn't the team that's ahead be given the benefit of the doubt?

I feel that if a team is up 6 and the other team is driving and the defense interferes with the receiver there should be PI at the point of the foul. If you don't do this then you encourage the defender to foul. I feel the defender should never be given better field position by committing a foul. It takes away from the skill of the receiver to make the catch which is an integral part of the game. The receiver should always be given a chance to catch the ball unless the defender can make a play without interfering with his ability to catch it.

The same thing could be said of a runner who makes a 30 yard run. If a defender made a personal foul on the runner and was penalized 15 yards from the line of scrimmage you would have personal fouls on any run over 15 yards. It would encourage the defender to foul.

 

[doubledeuce22]

i just want to see the refs use more common sense with throwing the damn flags. ticky tack shit all the time.

the one rule they need to fix is this stupid illegal contact, most ticky tack of them all. i hate to see so many 3d and longs picked up because of this.

as for PI, the worst is when teams throw a deep ball 10 yds short, making receiver have to go back for ball. PI every time, which is ridiculous considering that the only reason is that its a bad throw to begin with. if anything, i'd practice this as an offense to use late in games, the PI is automatic.

 

[Enfuego]

I feel that if a team is up 6 and the other team is driving and the defense interferes with the receiver there should be PI at the point of the foul. If you don't do this then you encourage the defender to foul. I feel the defender should never be given better field position by committing a foul. It takes away from the skill of the receiver to make the catch which is an integral part of the game. The receiver should always be given a chance to catch the ball unless the defender can make a play without interfering with his ability to catch it.

The same thing could be said of a runner who makes a 30 yard run. If a defender made a personal foul on the runner and was penalized 15 yards from the line of scrimmage you would have personal fouls on any run over 15 yards. It would encourage the defender to foul.

And so what if the defender commits a penalty? When driving for a late TD, 15 yards and a first down not to mention stopping the clock is a good chunk of yardage. Let me ask you this...on a regular basis when a college team is driving for the winning score how many times have you seen a defender tackle a WR? It doesn't happen like you think it does. It just doesn't.

 

[bigtendominator]

And so what if the defender commits a penalty? When driving for a late TD, 15 yards and a first down not to mention stopping the clock is a good chunk of yardage. Let me ask you this...on a regular basis when a college team is driving for the winning score how many times have you seen a defender tackle a WR? It doesn't happen like you think it does. It just doesn't.

Because most coaches are idiots.

Ran into the UNM coaching staff at the airport and was explainging this exact scenario.

I hope you saw the end of the UF LSU game:

LSU ball at the 2 or 3, with :15 seconds left and 0 timeouts. If I were UF, on all Pass plays I would have tackled the WR, assuming each play runs :05-:06, that leaves LSU with 2 plays realistically and then with under :05 left, Les would have to decide if he wants to tie it or go for the win. Coaches miss to many ways to manipulate the game.

For example with your 15 yard penatly rule. Say for example a team has the ball at their own 10 yard line with :14 seconds left, they are trying to get 30 yards, to give themselves a shot at hailmary. So, my defense would tackle the receiver even before the ball is thrown, thus giving the offense 15 yards, but only putting the ball at the 25, and now :05-:07 have come off the clock, now the offense has to throw a 75 yard hail mary as opposed to a 60 yard hail mary.

Sorry, but the rule change you are suggesting can be manipulated so easily by the defense.

 

[mplastered]

Don't commit the foul. Case closed.

 

[quantumleap]

And so what if the defender commits a penalty? When driving for a late TD, 15 yards and a first down not to mention stopping the clock is a good chunk of yardage. Let me ask you this...on a regular basis when a college team is driving for the winning score how many times have you seen a defender tackle a WR? It doesn't happen like you think it does. It just doesn't.

It doesn't matter when it happens, whether it's at the end of a game like you say, or if it doesn't happen frequently. All of the situations you bring up are irrelevant. If it happens at all it's too much. Why? Because if you don't have PI called at the spot it encourages the defender to foul. Like I said before, a player should never benefit from a foul.

 

[quantumleap]

i just want to see the refs use more common sense with throwing the damn flags. ticky tack shit all the time.

the one rule they need to fix is this stupid illegal contact, most ticky tack of them all. i hate to see so many 3d and longs picked up because of this.

as for PI, the worst is when teams throw a deep ball 10 yds short, making receiver have to go back for ball. PI every time, which is ridiculous considering that the only reason is that its a bad throw to begin with. if anything, i'd practice this as an offense to use late in games, the PI is automatic.

I agree DD. I don't think the PI rule is what is wrong. I think the refs calling it for little contact. As one of the commentators said in last night's game "let them play!"

 

[HAT]

The college rule would be terrible in the NFL. That being said, I do think the existing rule could use some tweaking. The problem with the spot foul is it is being called for a little more than incidental contact.

The result of the penalty is as if the WR was guaranteed to make the catch, which wouldn't always be the case even if no foul was committed. Guys drop plenty of balls when they are wide open or when they can't control it all the way to the ground.

I'd be in favor of leaving the rule as is with the exception of if it happens from the 10 yard line to the back of the end zone....Offense is awarded 1st and goal from the 10. That is still punitive enough to where the DB's play it straight 99.9% of the time but if a ref makes an iffy call it's not an automatic TD.

 

[Enfuego]

It doesn't matter when it happens, whether it's at the end of a game like you say, or if it doesn't happen frequently. All of the situations you bring up are irrelevant. If it happens at all it's too much. Why? Because if you don't have PI called at the spot it encourages the defender to foul. Like I said before, a player should never benefit from a foul.

It encourages the defender to foul? So, in college each week you see defenders tackle receivers? Does that happen?

 

[bigtendominator]

It encourages the defender to foul? So, in college each week you see defenders tackle receivers? Does that happen?

No because they aren't smart enough to do so.

 

[Enfuego]

No because they aren't smart enough to do so.

They aren't smart enough and the coaches aren't smart enough to teach this to the kids? This is your argument?

 

[NickPappagiorgio]

Id like to see refs stop calling Pass Interference on underthrown balls. Ive seen too many flags where the db gets called because the wr stops and lets the db run over him. Thats garbage, the db did his job by having good coverage and still gets flagged

 

[bigtendominator]

They aren't smart enough and the coaches aren't smart enough to teach this to the kids? This is your argument?

Do you know how many stupid coaches exist?

Why do coaches call timeout on Defense when trying to stop the clock after a 1st down, you don't save the complete 40 seconds. Do you know how many coaches lack knowledge of rules and have no clue about things.

 

[doubledeuce22]

Id like to see refs stop calling Pass Interference on underthrown balls. Ive seen too many flags where the db gets called because the wr stops and lets the db run over him. Thats garbage, the db did his job by having good coverage and still gets flagged

exactly what i said. :toast:

 

[doubledeuce22]

Do you know how many stupid coaches exist?

Why do coaches call timeout on Defense when trying to stop the clock after a 1st down, you don't save the complete 40 seconds. Do you know how many coaches lack knowledge of rules and have no clue about things.

and thats being kind