TV analyst thinks Kerry shoud be put in cuffs and tried for treason.

[PatPatriot]

Friday, Aug. 27, 2004 11:31 p.m. EDT
Gen. McInerney: Kerry Testimony Treasonous

Vietnam veteran-turned-military analyst Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney said Thursday that John Kerry's 1971 testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee portraying Vietnam soldiers as "monsters" would have been consider ground for treason charges in an earlier day.

"There is deep, deep anger for a man who, if he had done this during World War II, would have been tried for treason," McInerney told ABC Radio's John Batchelor.

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Noting that two of his brothers also served in Vietnam, where one died, McInerney said, "He betrayed us . . . He betrayed not only my personal family but my [West Point] classmates and all the veterans that were over there."
Referring to the portion of Kerry's testimony where he accused his fellow soldiers of routinely committing barbaric acts on Vietnamese civilians, McInerney told Batchelor, "We did not do those things that he claimed that we did."

McInerney said Kerry's testimony was largely responsible for creating the negative stereotype of Vietnam veterans, noting that many of his fellow soldiers were greeted "babykillers" when they returned from the war.

On Kerry's decision to make his Vietnam service the centerpiece of his presidential campaign, McInerney said, "He picked a scab that he should not have."

 

[Marco]

"There is deep, deep anger for a man who, if he had done this thing during World War II, would have been tried for treason,"

I think one has to factor into this statement that during WWII, when we were fighting the Japanese, there was a general unanimous mentality that what we were doing was justified and in a course of self defense...also the country at that time was more trusting of it's government and the citizens and soldiers more or less blindly did what the government asked them too..more patriotism back then.....

In the case of Vietnam, we were fighting a war in which there were great numbers of people on both sides of the fence as to whether or not we should even be fighting there....self defense was not a factor in that war, unless you count the "domino theory" in practice then.....also people were less trusting of government...

McInerney is comparing apples and oranges when he's comparing WWII to Vietnam.

 

[PatPatriot]

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Kerry tries to have it both ways...A war hero...and a great righteous war protester.
If you throw your medals away keep them away.This is the essence of Kerrys political being...Now he portrays himself to be a war hero now that they are in vogue.
He could have with any brains in his head held his position as a Nam protester.Into his handling in Iraq....He could have said somthing like.."I was proud to serve my country. I then realized I was serving in a wrong war and made mistakes in the process of my protest." People can except that.But when you try to have it both ways you get burned both ways....But the guy really dosen't have ANY true convictions and people are realizing that.

He basically is trying to make an oppurtunity for himself and spread hmself so thin that he is made of paper...see through paper.

 

[xpanda]

I wonder if you guys realise that you are now officially more embroiled in debate about a war from 30 years ago than you are about the one that you are currently engaged in. The 'Kerry asked for it' argument notwithstanding, where in god's name are your priorities??

I'm sure the newly liberated Iraqis are just thrilled to bits by this turn of events.

 

[bblight]

xpanda and Marco - you guys just don't get it. Imagine coming home from a war where you had been placed in harms way - just doing your duty as was expected of you. You expect to come home a hero, and instead you're treated like a criminal by a bunch of people who never put their lives on the line for anything!

Imagine as the years pass that you hide the fact that you're a Vietnam Vet, because Vietnam Vets are thought of as drug and alcohol sodden derelicts, living on the mental edge. Where you actually see fear in someones eyes when they finf out you served in Vietnam.

Imagine that this festering part of your life that needed closure long ago was brought to the table in support of one of the people who had turned on you. How would you react.

This won't end until the people who turned their backs on us admit it, and join us in closing this open and painful wound!

 

[ChuckSims]

Let me guess, you heard this old fossil on the Fox News Channel. The fact is Kerry testified that he had heard other veterans say those atrocities were happening in Vietnam. But what do you expect from a right wing agenda driven cable channel known Fox News.

 

[Oceans11]

I thought they were fighting for the freedom of speech, and holding back communism.

Freedom of speech is a two edged sword that 'belongs' to no-one.

The Vietnam war will never have closure, until the veterans are all gone.
It was was of those events that creates history, and it divided the American people.

This Kerry thing proves that the divisions from Vietnam will never be reconciled.

At that point in time, everyone believes that what they did, was the right thing to do.

 

[Oceans11]

The biggest 'problem' with the Vietnam war is that America lost it.
And it lost after an exceptional effort in manpower and resources.

When you lose a major conflict, there are always repercussions.

If the US had won that war, the repercussions from the anti-war movement would be almost nil.

 

[SENDITIN]

The fact is Kerry testified that he had heard other veterans say those atrocities were happening in Vietnam

The fact is Kerry admitted to participating in atrocities. We need to get the facts on what he actually did.

 

[bblight]

eek, the biggest problem with the Vietnam IS NOT that we lost it - we didn't lose - we left!

The problem with the Vietnam war is the rift that occurred between the people who served and the treatemnt they recieved from many of those who didn't serve.

Vietnam was a poor mans war - with the draft, the way to stay out of Vietnam was to go to college. Poor people couldn't afford college - middle class and rich could. The middle class and rich also had "connections" to the local draft board, so deferments were fairly common for middle class and rich kids, while nearly non-existant for poor kids.

That is one reason why there was a larger percentage of blacks represented in the military, than in the population at large. That's probably another reason why deaths were so high - most Vietnam soldiers were 18 and 19 - a very stupid age for men, - add in that there was a larger percentage of lesser educated individuals - well, I'm sure you get the picture.

All of those kids that went to college were being indoctrinated by the marxist professors who secured their positions in many colleges by staying out of WWII and Korea - they weren't very American in their beliefs.

Add to all of this that the same kids who were protesting and getting their degrees got a head start in life and hold a higher prevelance in positions of power - especially in the media.

Thank God for the GI Education bill - it gave people like me, who came from the dregs, to get an education and get ahead in life.

eek - the history revisionists will try to paint a different picture for you, but believe me - I lived through it!

 

[Oceans11]

Thx BB

 

[PatPatriot]

Thats why I will never be for a draft..You should not have a draft in a free country.
If you object to war, you should not be forced to fight it at gunpoint.

Another point it was the rich kids who got to dodge the draft, were the ones spitting on poor kids forced to fight it.
Funny how some of the worst atrocities come from the rich intellctual "enlightned".

 

[lander]

Blight & Patriot -
You guys actually sound human today. Nice to see this side of you two.

Blight - personally, I would have went to Canada, but I certainly have to respect you for taking hell and turning into an opportunity.

The thing is - why do you support the side that didn't have to earn there way the hard way? In essance, you're supporting the rich kiddies that didn't have endure what you did because of class warfare. It seems a bit hypocrytical on the surface.

 

[bblight]

Lander -
LBJ, the father of modern liberalism is the person who took us into Vietnam, and who decided not to run for affice again and left a quagmire for the next president.
Nixon, the guy who's reviled by modern liberals is the president who extricated us. He wasn't able to do it honorably, but he did it.

My experience has been that many of the modern Dems are the same crowd that, as college students, turned on the soldiers who did their duty. Many of these Dems feel guilty about their actions, but rather than voice that guilt, will continue with the facade that they were right and the soldiers were wrong.

I worked my way up from the dregs to a pretty good middle class life - the GI bill is the only outside source that helped me - it was me and my immigrant wife, working hard and living modestly that took mus where we are.

The Republicans believe on self reliance and dependance while the Dems believe in government reliance and government dependance - they don't help the poor - ythey keep them well fed, stupid, and on the plantation.

The Republicans support a strong military, while the Democrats believe in a strong bureaucracy.

In my opinion, modern liberalism consists of the worst of socialism and elitism - honor is only a word to them.

Ther you go Lander! I'm not mellow - I'm a realist and a centrist.

 

[ChuckSims]

And Germany did'nt lose the war, they just quit fighting. We lost the Vietnam war. Can't change history.

 

[lander]

"My experience has been that many of the modern Dems are the same crowd that, as college students, turned on the soldiers who did their duty. Many of these Dems feel guilty about their actions, but rather than voice that guilt, will continue with the facade that they were right and the soldiers were wrong."

I can understand that to a degree (although living it would be the only way to fully relate), but what I do not understand is -

if somebody is against the war then why would they spit on the soldiers and disgrace them? It was a poor man's war - and they ONLY one's to blame is the US federal government. From what I've heard about Kerry's protests they seemed directed at the Fed Govt, not the soldiers that had to fight their dirty war.

Moreover, why would you support either side? You guys like to stereotype anti-Bush as some flaming pot-head lib, but the truth is that I hate 99% of those fukers. Now and then a guy like McCain or Powell make it through, but all in all most of them are more concerned about acting like a mafia than a representative of the people. Kerry, Bush and especially Dickhead Cheney are all self-serving scumbags - I think the only decent one of the bunch is Edwards. Who knows - maybe he just hasn't had the years in office to show he's a weasel too. That's why I support who I do this time. If Kerry wins, then in four years (assuming Guiliani isn't the man) then I'll probably be on "your side."

And for the big military, why? So we can wage Vietnam after Vietnam? We should start learning from our mistakes - not repeating them.

 

[bblight]

Chuck Sims -
Go get a history book - Germany surrendered - as in thoroughly beaten and overtaken by foreign troops; as in thoroughly whipped; as in they asked to give up!
The US packed up and left Vietnam - They couldn't win politically so they just up and left! They weren't beaten, they left - that ain't "lost" - that's "left"! They duidn't win the war, but they sure as hell didn't lose!

Lander - The protesters spit on the troops - they protested the troops; they treated the troops like criminals - that's an hitorical fact! Kerry joined the protesters aginst the troops - he accused the troops of attrocities when he knew that it was a lie! (I'm not saying that attrocities didn't happen, only that they were isolated and not generally condoned) Kerry turned on his own!

There are a lot of people out there who are for Kerry only because they are against Bush. I'm for Bush because I know Kerry - I'd've voted for Leiberman if he were running as a Democrat.

A lot of vets have Kerry is in their bullseye for what he did. I'm one of them!

 

[RobFunk]

bblight broke out. i have no clue what got into you, but your posts are alot better than a month ago.

 

[bblight]

Funk, a month ago I was just playing politics - but this Vietnam thing has really got my ire up.

All of these buried memories are flooding back - and leaving the bitter taste of bile in the back of my mind! Back then, after I got out of the service, I had a life to live and a family to bring up - I didn't have time to reflect on the insults that had been done to me.

My kids are now adults, I'm secure in my career and I have time to dwell on other things. And then Kerry comes out of the woodwork "Reporting for Duty".
That traitorous SOB joined the people who reviled the troops - he threw his medals over the Whitehouse wall to show his disdain for them - he sat only feet from that evil bitch Hanoi Jane, protesting with her - and now he's "Reporting for Duty" as though nothing had ever happened!

I can't believe the anger that I've had buried for all of these years - and right now all of it is aimed at Kerry.