trying to use some logic here on this presidential race

[gtc08]

bear with me here, let me lay this out.


from everywhere ive read, it seems obama backers are voting for obama because they like him and want him to be president.

from most places ive read, it seems the rest are voting against obama, instead of voting for mccain if you get what i mean. they dont like mccain either, they just see him as a lesser evil, so they vote against obama by voting for mccain. not loyal to him or anything though.

obviously you have some mccain supporters, but i think it's pretty reasonable to state that obama has more dedicated supporters then mccain.

now where i think the repubs run into problems here is this mentality that people are just going to show up and vote against obama, even though they dont like mccain either, lesser of 2 evils mccain vote thing.

if you broke it down on a scale of 1-10

id say 7 out of 10 obama supporters are voting for obama because they like him and want him to be president.

id say 5 ouf of 10 mccain supporters are voting for mccain because they dont like obama, instead of voting for mccain because they like him and want him to be president.

i think there is flawed logic here on the repubs side hoping these people show up to vote against somebody, and not for somebody. i think alot of these people wont bother voting or do a write in.

why waste my time and energy driving down to wherever i have to go, inconveniencing myself and whatever else i have going on to vote against somebody instead of voting for somebody is essentially my point.

 

[Anonymous1]

i'm far to stupid and unable to find a spell chech botton to repli to this komet...

 

[gtc08]

i'm far to stupid and unable to find a spell chech botton to repli to this komet...

screw spell check. wanted to get this up, been on my mind for awhile

 

[Romanowski]

trying to use some logic here...

I pretty much stopped reading there gtc. Thought you used your heart in political matters?

"Hey I'm a do-gooder and I dont care about results, its intentions that matter "

 

[gtc08]

trying to use some logic here...

I pretty much stopped reading there gtc. Thought you used your heart in political matters?

"Hey I'm a do-gooder and I dont care about results, its intentions that matter "

convince the anti-mccain, anti-obama; but picking the lesser of 2 evils average american to go out of there way and bother voting if they don't like either of them. i have things to do during the day, why would i bother voting for somebody i don't like? just because i dislike the other guy more?

cant make this shit up. :missingte

 

[texansfan]

Is there a voting law that requires one to vote for someone they like or dislike? What may seem as "a waste of your time" applies only to you.

 

[JoeContrarian]

I like gtc. He means well, he's just wrong on almost all the issues.

However unlike the some of the dunderheads I've clashed with here on other occasions, gtc is actually a stand up guy because he is HONEST in stating his REAL beliefs. gtc is a PROUD socialist which is fine -- all one can ask for is honesty and clarity by both sides.

Will Obambi be HONEST like gtc is and state his REAL beliefs on the campaign trail? Of course not! Obambi is a CLOSET socialist and socialism is not where the majority of the electorate is. Which of course makes Obambi a unworthy, unqualified, lying POS.

So with all that said, gtc's post has a lot of merit. Which is why Republicans have their work cut for them in making Obambi appear the most unreasonable choice since Jimmy Carter.

gtc, here's the answer to your question:

If this election becomes a referendum on Obambi, Republicans will win.

If this elections remains a referendum on Bush's policies, Democrats will win.

Since McCain wasn't part of the current administration and since McCain has previously differed with Bush on a great many issues, it's becoming increasingly difficult to predict how most Americans will see this election upcoming.

It's too early to make any predictions and most the drama has yet to unfold.

 

[gtc08]

Is there a voting law that requires one to vote for someone they like or dislike? What may seem as "a waste of your time" applies only to you.

i'm saying these people that the repubs are banking on to come out with that mentality won't come out. there is no incentive to vote for somebody you don't like. YAY MCCAIN WON THE ELECTION EVEN THOUGH I HATE HIM, BUT I HATE OBAMA MORE YAY. nobody's going to go that way, they just won't bother. say we go back to that 5 out of 10 anti mcccain, obama, but will vote for mccain. how many of those 5 will actually go vote for mccain, maybe 2 or 3.

obama has more people who we know will vote for him.

mccain is hoping more people vote against obama because he doesn't have the number of supporters obama has. this is a lazy country texansfan. 46 percent of the population doesn't even vote. like i said, convince the average american to go out of his way and vote under those circumstances presented.

 

[gtc08]

I like gtc. He means well, he's just wrong on almost all the issues.

However unlike the some of the dunderheads I've clashed with here on other occasions, gtc is actually a stand up guy because he is HONEST in stating his REAL beliefs. gtc is a PROUD socialist which is fine -- all one can ask for is honesty and clarity by both sides.

Will Obambi be HONEST like gtc is and state his REAL beliefs on the campaign trail? Of course not! Obambi is a CLOSET socialist and socialism is not where the majority of the electorate is. Which of course makes Obambi a unworthy, unqualified, lying POS.

So with all that said, gtc's post has a lot of merit. Which is why Republicans have their work cut for them in making Obambi appear the most unreasonable choice since Jimmy Carter.

gtc, here's the answer to your question:

If this election becomes a referendum on Obambi, Republicans will win.

If this elections remains a referendum on Bush's policies, Democrats will win.

Since McCain wasn't part of the current administration and since McCain has previously differed with Bush on a great many issues, it's becoming increasingly difficult to predict how most Americans will see this election upcoming.

It's too early to make any predictions and most the drama has yet to unfold.

democratic socialist, not socialist. socialist is north korea. democratic socialist is canada, europe.

 

[winningstreak]

If Europe and Canada has such a great philosophy that matches yours why not move there?

 

[gtc08]

If Europe and Canada has such a great philosophy that matches yours why not move there?

my god how many times have i posted this now. im in the process of doing that. i'm leaving once i finish my mba. you cant just stroll up and obtain citizenship, there's a waiting list.

 

[Joe_Hallenbeck]

I disagree. It seems to me most of the Dems on this forum know that Obama is completely unqualified to be president, but they think that a vote for McCain is a third term for Bush.

I never read any Dems here defending a criticism of Obama, but rather rebutting with something bashing McCain.

 

[Romanowski]

my god how many times have i posted this now. im in the process of doing that. i'm leaving once i finish my mba. you cant just stroll up and obtain citizenship, there's a waiting list.

thought you were pursuing a masters in electrical engineering:think2:

 

[gtc08]

thought you were pursuing a masters in electrical engineering:think2:

i am. its a dual masters program. computer engineering and mba.

 

[texansfan]

i'm saying these people that the repubs are banking on to come out with that mentality won't come out. there is no incentive to vote for somebody you don't like. YAY MCCAIN WON THE ELECTION EVEN THOUGH I HATE HIM, BUT I HATE OBAMA MORE YAY. nobody's going to go that way, they just won't bother. say we go back to that 5 out of 10 anti mcccain, obama, but will vote for mccain. how many of those 5 will actually go vote for mccain, maybe 2 or 3.

obama has more people who we know will vote for him.

mccain is hoping more people vote against obama because he doesn't have the number of supporters obama has. this is a lazy country texansfan. 46 percent of the population doesn't even vote. like i said, convince the average american to go out of his way and vote under those circumstances presented.

I'm sure there will be plenty of Democrats who backed Hillary that will vote for McCain because they hate Obama.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I'm sure there will be plenty of Democrats who backed Hillary that will vote for McCain because they hate Obama.

Especially the women who are pissed he didn’t pick their candidate as VP.

 

[Michelangelo]

I agree with you gtc that many Americans are lazy and do not/will not exercise their franchise to vote.

But Republicans are not lazy. They are enterprising. They are the oil that makes the machine rev. They will turn out because they consider voting to be one of their duties.

You are dead nuts accurate in saying that Repubs are not excited about McCain. But they will vote. The true conservatives amongst them will vote for McCain even if they whince all the way to the voting booth. McCain will also get the racists who don't want a black in the White House. Undoubtedly there will be Democrats crossing over. Despite what Doc says Republicans are not all racists. But there are many Democratic racists. McCain will get their vote. They will turn out. McCain will get the vote of those who think Obama is simply not ready for the White House. McCain will get the military vote and their families. And McCain will get some of the Hillary vote. There are a lot of impassioned people there despite the fact that nobody is really excited about McCain himself.

The other side of the equation will find the lazy voters. I am not saying that all Democrats are lazy. That would surely be inaccurate. But those lazy voters you speak of are much more likely to be in the Democratic camp. Most who favor big government will vote Democratic. They favor big government because they are inherently lazy or clueless and need big government to take care of them. So the real question is will all those lazy people who say they support Obama in fact turn out to vote?

The same question can be asked of the youth vote. They are mesmerized by Obama's mantra for change and his charismatic personality. But will they turn out to vote? Traditionally they do not.

So I don't think it's as simple as you are thinking it is.

 

[3peet]

if you broke it down on a scale of 1-10

id say 7 out of 10 obama supporters are voting for obama because they like him and want him to be president.

id say 5 ouf of 10 mccain supporters are voting for mccain because they dont like obama, instead of voting for mccain because they like him and want him to be president.

i think there is flawed logic here on the repubs side hoping these people show up to vote against somebody, and not for somebody. i think alot of these people wont bother voting or do a write in.

GTC,,,Glad you now see what I've been saying all these months. There's movement here on the left. and its growing like a tsunami. To think that righty's are gonna take the election by simply voting against someone and casting that vote for a shitty pick (which even rightys agree with) is a lot to ask.

Look at it logically.
Hastely casted votes vs viral enthusiastic votes. It's pretty clear who'll win.

 

[3peet]

The same question can be asked of the youth vote. They are mesmerized by Obama's mantra for change and his charismatic personality. But will they turn out to vote? Traditionally they do not.

So I don't think it's as simple as you are thinking it is.

I think I had this convo with Willie not to long ago. The youth in the past could never be counted on and as always it is remained to be seen.

with that said. I strongly believe they will carry if not have a huge factor foir the very 1st time in this years election.

 

[gtc08]

I agree with you gtc that many Americans are lazy and do not/will not exercise their franchise to vote.

But Republicans are not lazy. They are enterprising. They are the oil that makes the machine rev. They will turn out because they consider voting to be one of their duties.

You are dead nuts accurate in saying that Repubs are not excited about McCain. But they will vote. The true conservatives amongst them will vote for McCain even if they whince all the way to the voting booth. McCain will also get the racists who don't want a black in the White House. Undoubtedly there will be Democrats crossing over. Despite what Doc says Republicans are not all racists. But there are many Democratic racists. McCain will get their vote. They will turn out. McCain will get the vote of those who think Obama is simply not ready for the White House. McCain will get the military vote and their families. And McCain will get some of the Hillary vote. There are a lot of impassioned people there despite the fact that nobody is really excited about McCain himself.

The other side of the equation will find the lazy voters. I am not saying that all Democrats are lazy. That would surely be inaccurate. But those lazy voters you speak of are much more likely to be in the Democratic camp. Most who favor big government will vote Democratic. They favor big government because they are inherently lazy or clueless and need big government to take care of them. So the real question is will all those lazy people who say they support Obama in fact turn out to vote?

The same question can be asked of the youth vote. They are mesmerized by Obama's mantra for change and his charismatic personality. But will they turn out to vote? Traditionally they do not.

So I don't think it's as simple as you are thinking it is.

i just have a hard time believing these people who hate both candidates are going to waste time voting for the one they dislike the least. if i don't like a candidate, i don't vote. i vote for mccain/obama because i want them to be president, not because i dislike one candidate more than the other candidate whom i also dislike.

this is where it comes down to dedicated supporters. obama has more of those then mccain. obama has a dedicated base he can fall back on. mccain has a base, but lets face facts, there are more dedicated obama supporters then dedicated mccain supporters.

both camps will play the lesser of 2 evil cards, mccain needs this group way more than obama though. i just don't see this lesser of 2 evils group bothering to come out and vote. like i said, i have things to do during the day. why vote for someone i don't like?

this lesser of 2 evils group is also a large majority of the 46 percent of the american population that doesn't vote.