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[h=1]Tortured Reasoning[/h]Thomas Sowell | Dec 16, 2014








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Critics and defenders of the harsh interrogation methods applied to captured terrorists can argue forever over whether those methods were "torture." But any serious discussion of a serious issue -- and surely terrorism qualifies as serious -- has to move beyond semantics and confront the ultimate question: "Compared to what alternative?"If you knew that there was a hidden nuclear time bomb planted somewhere in New York City -- set to go off today -- and you had a captured terrorist who knew where and when, would you not do anything whatever to make him tell you where and when? Would you pause to look up the definition of "torture"? Would you even care what the definition of "torture" was, when the alternative was seeing millions of innocent people murdered?
Senator Dianne Feinstein's recent release of a massive report on the CIA's severe interrogation methods, used against captured Islamic terrorists, has set off a firestorm of controversy. It is hard to see what benefit the United States of America gains from releasing that report. But it is painfully obvious what lasting damage has been done to the security of Americans.
One of the most obscene acts of the Obama administration, when it first took office, was to launch a criminal investigation of CIA agents who had used harsh interrogation methods against captured terrorists in the wake of the devastating September 11, 2001 aerial attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Right after those terrorist attacks, when there were desperate fears of what might be coming next, these CIA agents were trying to spare fellow Americans another attack that could take thousands more lives, or perhaps millions more. To turn on these agents, years later, after they did what they were urged to do, as a patriotic duty in a time of crisis, is both a betrayal of those who acted in the past and a disincentive to those in the future who are charged with safeguarding the nation.
Other nations, whose cooperation we need, in order to disrupt international terrorist networks, see how their involvement has now been revealed to the whole world -- including terrorists -- because supposedly responsible American officials, in the Congress of the United States, cannot keep their mouths shut.
The public's "right to know" has often been invoked to justify publicizing confidential information. But is there any evidence that the American public was clamoring to learn state secrets, which every government has? I don't know where our nuclear weapons are located and I don't want to know, certainly not at the cost of letting our enemies know.






The ease with which politicians are willing to pull the rug out from under people whose job is to safeguard our lives -- whether they are CIA agents, the police or the military -- is not only a betrayal of those people but a danger to us all.
People who are constantly denouncing the police, including with demonstrable lies, may think they are showing solidarity with people in the ghettos. But, when police hesitate to go beyond "kinder and gentler" policing, that leaves decent people in black communities at the mercy of hoodlums and thugs who have no mercy.
When conscientious young people, of any race, who would like to help maintain peace and order see that being a policeman means having race hustlers constantly whipping up mob hostility against you -- and having opportunistic politicians and the media joining the race hustlers -- those young people may well decide that some other line of work would be better for them.
High crime areas need not only the most, but the best, police they can get. Taking cheap shots at cops is not the way to get the people who are needed.
When people who volunteer to put their lives on the line in the military to defend this country, at home and abroad, see their buddies killed on the battlefield, and sometimes themselves come back minus an arm or a leg, or with severe physical and mental damage that they may never get over -- and then see some headstrong politician in the White House throw away everything they fought for, and see enemy forces take back places for which Americans shed their blood, that can be galling to them and a deterrent to others who might otherwise take their place in the future.
If we cannot see beyond the moment today, we will pay dearly tomorrow and in many more tomorrows.
 
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I am a big Jack Bauer fan and love the show 24. For those who have never seen it, this is exactly what it's about. When it comes to terrorists, you do whatever it takes, no matter what, to stop them. There are NO RULES.
 

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Can you imagine a Carson/Sowell ticket?

The left would commit suicide and so would the right.
 

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Can you imagine a Carson/Sowell ticket?

The left would commit suicide and so would the right.


You'd see some of the ugliest racism you've ever seen in your life. And it would all come from the Left.

Especially after Allen West was promoted to secretary of defense.
 

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So well has to be in his 80s now.

He’s 84 but mentally he’s still sharp as he ever was and when it comes to common sense he dwarfs 99% of the politicians in office today.

I’d take him over anyone that will run in 16.
 

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You'd see some of the ugliest racism you've ever seen in your life. And it would all come from the Left.

Especially after Allen West was promoted to secretary of defense.

I’m talking an independent ticket. Hillary would have her first period in 20 years and the good ole boy Republicans would choke on their cigars.

It would truly be refreshing. I’d vote that ticket in a heart beat.
 

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Who's your pic for top spot?

Believe it or not looking back at it I can envision how much better off this country would be now had Romney been Potus. I was never on his band wagon but I like the fact that he is not a career politician, has run a business, and does not owe a boatload of backers much if anything. I want someone who can call his own shots and not be beholding to outside interests whoever that might be. Carson does fall into that category. Too bad that the first "black" president was not 100% black and grow up in the U.S. Carson dispels everything that Obama et al try to pass off as racism. He needs to be in the picture.
 

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Carson would be a healer, I just don't know if he's up to fixing this mess.

- repeal Obamacare
- repeal Dodd-Frank
- repeal every one of Cass Sunstein's regulations and Hussein's EOs
- fumigate Hussein's Fedzilla (IRS, EPA, NEA, NASA etc.)
- restore ICE and immigration law and order

That's just to 'reset'

We'd still be stuck with his radical judges and trillions flushed down the toilet. Not to mention, America as a weakening global power.

What a waste of 8 years. :neenee:
 

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Carson would be a healer, I just don't know if he's up to fixing this mess.

- repeal Obamacare
- repeal Dodd-Frank
- repeal every one of Cass Sunstein's regulations and Hussein's EOs
- fumigate Hussein's Fedzilla (IRS, EPA, NEA, NASA etc.)
- restore ICE and immigration law and order

That's just to 'reset'

We'd still be stuck with his radical judges and trillions flushed down the toilet. Not to mention, America as a weakening global power.

What a waste of 8 years. :neenee:

I realize that being the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital pales in comparison to being a community organizer but I’ll take my chances.
 

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