Today is either going to be the best day in forum history or a bloodbath for us all.

[CHOPTALK]

Lots of people on the same thing today.
Never seen so many people seeing eye to eye like this.

We are all going to have a great day, or we will all lose our ass.

Good luck to us all.

 

[Jibba]

Was thinking the same thing. Popular plays seem to be Philly, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, and Milwaukee. Detroit and the Braves seem to be pretty popular as well, but I've seen a few people going in the other direction. BOL to us.

 

[FatTony]

I don't get a couple of these plays that everyone is on "AT ALL" and I'm not sure it's just because of the funny lines they put out on these games.

Baltimore is one of those plays. I know Toronto sucks right now, but Burnett is pitching great. How can that game be so one sided against him???

 

[Jibba]

I think the Baltimore/Toronto line only looks funny to AJ-believers. At home this year Burnett is 3-0 with a 2.28 ERA, a 1.05 WHIP and a .184 BAA. On the road, however, he is 1-3 with a 5.65 ERA, a 1.57 WHIP, and a .250 BAA. IMO, Toronto is a very public play today, as most of the public knows Burnett's name, but not Cabrera's.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Cabrera is a better pitcher than Burnett.

Both Burnett and Cabrera are both home pitchers. They can both pitch at home, but cant on the road for some reason. If the game was in Toronto, I would be on Toronto.

The rare home field matters applys to this game.

 

[FatTony]

I think the Baltimore/Toronto line only looks funny to AJ-believers. At home this year Burnett is 3-0 with a 2.28 ERA, a 1.05 WHIP and a .184 BAA. On the road, however, he is 1-3 with a 5.65 ERA, a 1.57 WHIP, and a .250 BAA. IMO, Toronto is a very public play today, as most of the public knows Burnett's name, but not Cabrera's.

I don't think Toronto is a public play at all. If you check out Wagerline's consensus, more people are on Baltimore tonight.


I figure out my own lines before I look at the actual line and there's about 4 games that are a little bit off. (Philly, Minny, Tor, Mil)

 

[soswalter]

<li> A.J. Burnett (R) is 1-3; 5.65 ERA; 1.57 WHIP; -2.7 Units on the road.

 

[FatTony]

A.J. Burnett (R) is 1-3; 5.65 ERA; 1.57 WHIP; -2.7 Units on the road.

1-3 on the road is not a big deal. Two of those games he lost was because he didn't get any run support at all. One of those games was at Baltimore where he went 7 innings and gave up 2 earned runs.

 

[soswalter]

1-3 on the road is not a big deal. Two of those games he lost was because he didn't get any run support at all. One of those games was at Baltimore where he went 7 innings and gave up 2 earned runs.

You're making our point for us. No run support on the road because the Blue Jays can't hit on the road.

5.65 ERA is a big deal

 

[Jibba]

1-3 on the road is not a big deal. Two of those games he lost was because he didn't get any run support at all. One of those games was at Baltimore where he went 7 innings and gave up 2 earned runs.

His ERA and his WHIP aren't lying. And it's easy to blame the offense, but that's the same offense that will be playing tonight. And the same offense that has lost 8 of 9 on the road. Game could go either way, but I think Baltimore is the play.

 

[FatTony]

You're making our point for us. No run support on the road because the Blue Jays can't hit on the road.

5.65 ERA is a big deal

Because of Cleveland and Detroit!!!! Do you compare Baltimore's offense to those two teams???

 

[Jibba]

I don't think Toronto is a public play at all. If you check out Wagerline's consensus, more people are on Baltimore tonight.


I figure out my own lines before I look at the actual line and there's about 4 games that are a little bit off. (Philly, Minny, Tor, Mil)

Not sure how reliable WL really is as far as finding the betting conensus on a particular game. Most members there pick every game, but don't actually play them. And I have no idea how "public" the average WL member is.

Not sure what you mean by saying those lines are off. I think the Philly and Milwaukee lines are low though.

 

[FatTony]

Not sure how reliable WL really is as far as finding the betting conensus on a particular game. Most members there pick every game, but don't actually play them. And I have no idea how "public" the average WL member is.

Not sure what you mean by saying those lines are off. I think the Philly and Milwaukee lines are low though.

The Brewer line is defiantly low. I'm still taking Milwaukee either way.

 

[Loren78]

It wouldn't suprise me at all to see Burnett pitch well tonight, but for my buck its too little too late...and if he does indeed end up throwing a solid game, that horrendous bullpen will blow it late...il stick with the Brewers and call it a night...

 

[Jibba]

Because of Cleveland and Detroit!!!! Do you compare Baltimore's offense to those two teams???

Baltimore's offense is better than their stats this year, especially at home, and especially now that they have Hernandez back. Can you really look at that lineup and pick out a bunch of guys you'd want to face? Roberts, Markakis, Hernandez, Tejada, Huff, Mora, Payton, Patterson, Gibbons, Millar . . . while not superstars, most of these guys can hit. They just haven't yet this year.

 

[soswalter]

Baltimore's offense is solid. Not as good as Cleveland's or Detroit's, but solid enough to expose Burnett.

And you didn't address the fact that Toronto can't hit for shit on the road.

 

[FatTony]

Baltimore's offense is solid. Not as good as Cleveland's or Detroit's, but solid enough to expose Burnett.

And you didn't address the fact that Toronto can't hit for shit on the road.

Expose Burnett???? How many runs did they score off Burnett the last time he pitched in Baltimore??? 2 earned runs in 7 innings.

I'm not saying Toronto is the lock of the night, (and it's because of Toronto's offense.) What I'm saying is, I don't understand how there's so many people "in here" could be on Baltimore. That's it.

 

[soswalter]

Yeah, expose Burnett. I gave you his road stats. Different pitcher home/away

 

[CHOPTALK]

Cabrera is not a better pitcher than Burnett. He falls behind in counts far too often and relies on his overpowering fastball to work his way back into counts against good hitters. His walk issues have resurfaced as of late and he still hasn't shown any consistent ability to throw breaking balls for strikes.

He is a great talent, as is Burnett (whom I believe is more polished at this point in his career).

Sounds like you are talking to about burnett to me.

Cabrera is a much better pitcher than Burnett. You will see very soon.

A future 20 game winner.

 

[FatTony]

A future 20 game winner.

That's when I'll start betting him. In the future. :thumbsup: