Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Dave007inVegas]

The best laid plans of mice and Liberals.


When first tried from 1920 to 1933 prohibition became a boon for the criminal element. Now some 85 odd years later it’s Déjà vu all over again.


New York is reaping the whirlwind of sky-high cigarette taxes with a wave of smuggling decimating the state’s revenue.


New York holds the dubious honor of having the highest cigarette taxes in country, with the average pack of smokes in New York City costing as much as $10.60.


New York raised taxes on cigarettes to $4.35 in 2010 from $2.75. In total, cigarette taxes have increased by 190 percent since 2006. The sharp rise has resulted in a raft of unintended consequences which are dealing a significant blow to the state’s finances.


New York State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli reports New York’s revenue from cigarette taxes has plunged by $400 million over the past five years.


According to the The New York Post, a separate study by National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine shows the state lost a hefty $1.3 billion in uncollected taxes each year because smokers responded to higher prices not by shelling out more cash at the store but by turning to the black market and crossing state lines.


The last 10 years have a been a boon to organized crime, with 58 percent of New York’s cigarettes supplied from out-of-state, according to the Tax Foundation. The number of packs bought paying the full tax has also collapsed by 62 percent.


But it’s not only New York that’s losing out from the high rate of smuggling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives estimates states lose $5.5 billion in revenue thanks to cigarette smuggling.


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[TomGshotput]

 

[JDeuce]

No problem...New York (especially NYC) can just jack up taxes on "the rich" to make up the difference!

Oh, wait. They can't. Millionaires are abandoning NYC in droves.

Another dipshit failed idea from the Left. Why not just increase taxes to $1,000 per pack? That'd fix everything!

Maggie Thatcher was right...socialism eventually runs out of other people's money. I bet more and more NYers are about to find out exactly how "rich" the state thinks they are.

 

[TomGshotput]

When first tried from 1920 to 1933 prohibition became a boon for the criminal element. Now some 85 odd years later it’s Déjà vu all over again.

How far does a persons head need to be up their ass for them to call taxing something a repeat of prohibition? New York screwed themselves out of revenue by taxing smoking too much. All the other sellers benefit. That's not prohibition

But it’s not only New York that’s losing out from the high rate of smuggling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives estimates states lose $5.5 billion in revenue thanks to cigarette smuggling.

How much revenue would the states gain if they either changed their cigarette prohibition policies or eliminated cigarette taxes?

 

[SheriffJoe]

The "I can't breathe!" loser died because of draconian left wing tobacco laws.

 

[Willie99]

Dave my friend, a classic case of idiots being idiots

I suppose the second part of libtarded idiocy didn't pan out either, eh? Do you think they offset the lost tax revenues with decreasing medical costs?

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idiots

 

[Dave007inVegas]

How far does a persons head need to be up their ass for them to call taxing something a repeat of prohibition? New York screwed themselves out of revenue by taxing smoking too much. All the other sellers benefit. That's not prohibition

The end result was the point I was making.


Prohibition of alcohol spawned a criminal enterprise in the 20’s and 30’s. Abusive taxation, which was meant to deter the consumption tobacco achieved the same result.


Try thinking out of the box once in awhile instead of wearing blinders when you perceive your narrow vision of the world.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Dave my friend, a classic case of idiots being idiots

I suppose the second part of libtarded idiocy didn't pan out either, eh? Do you think they offset the lost tax revenues with decreasing medical costs?

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idiots

If you think it’s bad now just wait for the current micro aggression students who need a safe place to hide, begin their life’s journey.


The Prozac Nation that academia is nurturing will eventually become the leaders of our country and they will be the walking dead.


Maybe the Government can ambitiously tax antidepressants as a source of revenue in the not too distant future.

 

[TomGshotput]

The end result was the point I was making.

And again, the only way to think the end result is the same is to have your head shoved too far up your ass. The things the North Side Gang and the Five Families were doing nearly a century ago to support their business interests is far different than the things the buttsmugglers are doing today. The former required attempts to corrupt the entire city, the latter requires nothing more than driving a truck from Pennsylvania to Brooklyn.

Abusive taxation, which was meant to deter the consumption tobacco achieved the same result.

For vast majority of states cigarette taxation is used for revenue far more than a deterrence. Paying cigarette taxes are always completely optional, if we find them abusive, we simply stop paying them. And unlike income tax or property tax there is virtually no hardship to completely avoiding them (even when doing so legally). For every dollar raised from cigarette taxes, the state needs to collect less from other sources. When a state like New York goes too far overboard, it benefits the other states who sell the cigarettes that make there way up there on the secondary market.

Try thinking out of the box once in awhile instead of wearing blinders when you perceive your narrow vision of the world.

The first time anyone of us does that it would be the first time in the history of therxforum

 

[GasMan]

And again, the only way to think the end result is the same is to have your head shoved too far up your ass. The things the North Side Gang and the Five Families were doing nearly a century ago to support their business interests is far different than the things the buttsmugglers are doing today. The former required attempts to corrupt the entire city, the latter requires nothing more than driving a truck from Pennsylvania to Brooklyn.




For vast majority of states cigarette taxation is used for revenue far more than a deterrence. Paying cigarette taxes are always completely optional, if we find them abusive, we simply stop paying them. And unlike income tax or property tax there is virtually no hardship to completely avoiding them (even when doing so legally). For every dollar raised from cigarette taxes, the state needs to collect less from other sources. When a state like New York goes too far overboard, it benefits the other states who sell the cigarettes that make there way up there on the secondary market.



The first time anyone of us does that it would be the first time in the history of therxforum

Lol..I actually agree with most of your shit. There is no tomorrow.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Liberal Logic 101:

If liberal taxes on cigarettes deters smoking, do liberal income taxes deter working? Do liberal capital gains taxes deter investing? :think2:

Hey, remember when Democrats weren't all total Obama-vtard socialists???