Thomas Jefferson prophetic quotes

[PatPatriot]

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which, if acted on, would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them...
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson

 

[Willie99]

One of my favorite founding fathers. I don't think any of them could possibly comprehend how convoluted their work would become. They have no idea.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

It's very surprising that Jefferson would use the word "democracy". Can you provide sources for each of these quotes. I suspect several of them are bogus.

Let me guess, you got this in your email?

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

TRUE QUOTE: When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe
Thomas Jefferson

APPEARS IN NO KNOWN JEFFERSON WRITINGS PER THE JEFFERSONIAN CYCLOPEDIA: The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson


TRUE QUOTE: It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which, if acted on, would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson


TRUE QUOTE: I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them...
Thomas Jefferson


APPEARS IN NO KNOWN JEFFERSON WRITINGS PER THE JEFFERSONIAN CYCLOPEDIA: My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson


TRUE QUOTE: Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. APPEARS IN NO KNOWN JEFFERSON WRITINGS PER THE JEFFERSONIAN CYCLOPEDIA:If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
Thomas Jefferson


TRUE QUOTE, BUT INCOMPLETE: No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. [WITHIN HIS OWN LANDS]
Thomas Jefferson


APPEARS IN NO KNOWN JEFFERSON WRITINGS PER THE JEFFERSONIAN CYCLOPEDIA: The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson


TRUE QUOTE: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Took about ten minutes to show everyone how gullible and full of shit you are.

You should be embarrassed, but I suspect that you're not.

 

[RobFunk]

I love these cut and pastes.

"I'm so cool! I figured out how to open my inbox and post an email I got spammed with into a posting forum."

 

[SayHeyKid]

Great quotes from a true Patriot, my favorite president personally.

 

[nimue77]

If you like learning about Jefferson you will probably enjoy..

http://www.jeffersonhour.org/

 

[barman]

Gotta love the Pasting of bogus quotes

Other famous misquoted historical figures are Shakespeare and Churchill

 

[gtc08]

man, pat patriot got owned, again.

 

[Mistermj]

Took about ten minutes to show everyone how gullible and full of shit you are.

You should be embarrassed, but I suspect that you're not.

You didn't show us as much as you think you did.

You will note they didn't say the quotes were bogus...you are making an assumption that lack of proof means they are bogus.

Kind of makes you full of shit too...passing off lack of evidence as proof of being bogus.

The Jefferson Cyclopedia doesn't say they are bogus anywhere in your pasted post.

 

[roadreeler57]

Who cares if they are bogus or not they are wise quotes no matter where they came from.

 

[punter]

Yeah Roadie, Thom would said those things if he woulda thought of em.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

You didn't show us as much as you think you did.

You will note they didn't say the quotes were bogus...you are making an assumption that lack of proof means they are bogus.

Kind of makes you full of shit too...passing off lack of evidence as proof of being bogus.

The Jefferson Cyclopedia doesn't say they are bogus anywhere in your pasted post.

The quotes noted above appear in no known Jefferson writings. Are you hanging on the hope that the agenda-driven redneck who forwarded that email somehow has some historical insight into Jefferson that those who put together the Jefferson Cyclopedia did not?

You are aware that the Jefferson Cyclopedia contains every single available item down to private letters written by Jefferson? The quotes I noted above do not appear in this comprehensive collection, nor in any collection. Pat Patriot looks like a fool for posting them, and you look like a bigger fool for defending him when he's been proven wrong.

But I would expect no less of you.

 

[JudgeWapner]

Same old Joe C.

 

[Willie99]

<center>[SIZE=+1]8279. TAXATION, Basis of. — [/SIZE]</center> The taxes with which we are familiar, class themselves readily according to the basis on which they rest. 1. Capital. 2. Income. 3. Consumption. These may be considered as commensurate; Consumption being generally equal to Income, and Income the annual profit of Capital. A government may select any one of these bases for the establishment of its system of taxation, and so frame it as to reach the faculties of every member of the society, and to draw from him his equal proportion of the public contributions; and, if this be correctly obtained, it is the perfection of the function of taxation. But, when once a government has assumed its basis, to select and tax special articles from either of the other classes, is double taxation. For example, if the system be established on the basis of Income, and his just proportion on that scale has been already drawn from every one, to step into the field of Consumption, and tax special articles in that, as broadcloth or homespun, wine or whiskey, a coach or a wagon, is doubly taxing the same article. For that portion of Income with which these articles are purchased, having already paid its tax as Income, to pay another tax on the thing it purchased, is paying twice for the same thing, it is an aggrievance on the citizens who use these articles in exoneration of those who do not, contrary to the most sacred of the duties of a government, to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens. How far it may be the interest and the duty of all to submit to this sacrifice on other grounds; for instance, to pay for a time an impost on the importation of certain articles, in order to encourage their manufac [<tt>Col 2</tt>] ture at home, or an excise on others injurious to the morals or health of the citizens, will depend on a series of considerations of another order, and beyond the proper limits of this note. [* * *] To this a single observation shall yet be added. Whether property alone, and the whole of what each citizen possesses, shall be subject to contribution, or only its surplus after satisfying his first wants, or whether the faculties of body and mind shall contribute also from their annual earnings, is a question to be decided. But, when decided, and the principle settled, it is to be equally and fairly applied to all. To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers' has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, “the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it”. If the overgrown wealth of an individual be deemed dangerous to the State, the best corrective is the law of equal inheritance to all in equal degree; and the better, as this enforces a law of nature, while extra-taxation violates it. —



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Suffice to say that TJ thought income taxes were constitutional (glad we can put that one to rest, again), he was opposed to double taxation (it's way more perverse than he could have imagined) and he was adamantly opposed to the redistribution of wealth.


I can only surmise that TJ would be political allies with the likes of Pat Patriot, and diametrically opposed to any loonie libralism brought forth by DEAC.


thanks for playing in the big game, and for respecting the principals of such a great american.

 

[barman]

Same old Joe C.

Joe Jr only

The original JC is keeping a lonely vigil over at EOG PoliticoPub trading insults with Doc Mercer and about four other viewers.

I poke his cyber nose a couple times a month and he responded last month by sending me a threatening email (ala the one he sent DodgingPotholes in summer 2007). Told me he knows "where I live and where I hang out, and one of these days you'll have to face me in real life....but (ominous pause) you'll never know when it's me...."

Also proudly informed me he had "contacted some friends at the Miami field office of the DEA" and given them copies of my RxForum posts where I publicly proclaim my use of marijuana.

In my short Reply email I reminded him that he would do better to look at a map next time he does the long distance narc work and he would see that the DEA office in Tampa is about five hours closer to my house than is the Miami office.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

I can only surmise that TJ would be political allies with the likes of Pat Patriot, and diametrically opposed to any loonie libralism brought forth by DEAC.

Surmise all you want. You know nothing of me or what I believe. And nothing you posted shows that the quotes in question were actually from TJ.

I can tell you one way in which Jefferson and I are not diametrically opposed. Neither of us are apologists.

 

[tiznow]

here's some real ones i like

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God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

Letter to William Stevens Smith (November 13, 1787), quoted in Padover's Jefferson On Democracy

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* I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That "all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people." To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition.
The incorporation of a bank, and the powers assumed by this bill, have not, in my opinion, been delegated to the United States, by the Constitution... They are not among the powers specially enumerated...

o Opinion on creating a National Bank (1791), also quoted in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson "Memorial Edition" (20 Vols., 1903-04) edited by Andrew A. Lipscomb and Albert Ellery Bergh, Vol. 3, p. 146

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Locke denies toleration to those who entertain opinions contrary to those moral rules necessary for the preservation of society; as for instance, that faith is not to be kept with those of another persuasion, … that dominion is founded in grace, or who will not own & teach the duty of tolerating all men in matters of religion, or who deny the existence of a god (it was a great thing to go so far—as he himself says of the parliament who framed the act of toleration … He says 'neither Pagan nor Mahomedan nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the Commonwealth because of his religion.' Shall we suffer a Pagan to deal with us and not suffer him to pray to his god? Why have Christians been distinguished above all people who have ever lived, for persecutions? Is it because it is the genius of their religion? No, it's genius is the reverse. It is the refusing toleration to those of a different opinion which has produced all the bustles and wars on account of religion. It was the misfortune of mankind that during the darker centuries the Christian priests following their ambition and avarice combining with the magistrate to divide the spoils of the people, could establish the notion that schismatics might be ousted of their possessions & destroyed. This notion we have not yet cleared ourselves from.

* Notes on Religion (October, 1776). Published in The Works of Thomas Jefferson in Twelve Volumes, Federal Edition, Paul Leicester Ford, ed., New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1904, Vol. 2, pp. 267.

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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

* Letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT. (Jan. 1, 1802) This statement is the origin of the often used phrase "separation of Church and State".

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That we are overdone with banking institutions which have banished the precious metals and substituted a more fluctuating and unsafe medium, that these have withdrawn capital from useful improvements and employments to nourish idleness, that the wars of the world have swollen our commerce beyond the wholesome limits of exchanging our own productions for our own wants, and that, for the emolument of a small proportion of our society who prefer these demoralizing pursuits to labors useful to the whole, the peace of the whole is endangered and all our present difficulties produced, are evils more easily to be deplored than remedied.

* Letter to Abbe Salimankis (1810) ME 12:379 The Writings of Thomas Jefferson "Memorial Edition" (20 Vols., 1903-04) edited by Andrew A. Lipscomb and Albert Ellery Bergh, Vol. 12, p. 379; also quoted at "Thomas Jefferson on Politics & Government : Money & Banking" at University of Virginia.

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Everything predicted by the enemies of banks, in the beginning, is now coming to pass. We are to be ruined now by the deluge of bank paper. It is cruel that such revolutions in private fortunes should be at the mercy of avaricious adventurers, who, instead of employing their capital, if any they have, in manufactures, commerce, and other useful pursuits, make it an instrument to burden all the interchanges of property with their swindling profits, profits which are the price of no useful industry of theirs.

* Letter to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:61

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[PatPatriot]

OK maybe not a direct quote but to think he didn't think on those lines you'd have to be an idiot.

The following quotation is often attributed to [[Thomas Jefferson]]:
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
No evidence has been found that Jefferson ever wrote this. The concept of taxing income was not unknown to Jefferson, but his writings on the topic of taxation indicate that he viewed taxation generally as a source of revenue for the government. ==Further Sources==
*University of Virginia EText Center. Thomas Jefferson on Politics & Government: Taxation and Fiscal Responsibility. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/
[[Category:Spurious Quotations|Democracy will cease to exist, The]]

Not redistribution of wealth

TRUE QUOTE: I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them...
Thomas Jefferson

...and as Willie concludes.

Suffice to say that TJ thought income taxes were constitutional (glad we can put that one to rest, again), he was opposed to double taxation (it's way more perverse than he could have imagined) and he was adamantly opposed to the redistribution of wealth.

DEAC and others thanks for playing "gotcha".OOOOOHHH You really showed me.