...this won't happen if Kerry is President.

PatPatriot · Feb 9, 2004

Monday, Feb. 9, 2004
Schwarzenegger Rejects Actors' Pleas to Spare Hatchet Murderer

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has rejected pleas from Hollywood actors to spare the life of a man who chopped up four people with a hatchet.

Such Tinseltown "experts" as Sean Penn, Janeane Garofalo, Danny Glover, Mike Farrell, Richard Dreyfuss, Denzel Washington and Anjelica Huston, some of whom have actually graduated from high school, want murderer Kevin Cooper to be freed or to continue getting taxpayer-supplied room and board, as he has for the past 19 years. Oh, and Jesse Jackson, Noam Chomsky, Angela Davis and International Socialist Organization also want to spare him.

Instead Cooper is scheduled to die for his vicious crimes early Tuesday at San Quentin.

On Sunday even the notorious 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the same bunch that claims the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional, rejected an appeal.

Courts have noted there is overwhelming evidence of Cooper's guilt. Even DNA found at the scene implicates him.

In the early 1980s Cooper, a burglar who had escaped from prison, repeatedly used a hatchet and buck knife on Douglas and Peggy Ryen of San Bernardino County, their 10-year-old daughter, Jessica, and Christopher Hughes, her 11-year-old friend. He slit the throat of the Ryens' 8-year-old son, Joshua, but the boy survived the nighttime attack.

"Josh wakes up from the attack in the deathly still bedroom, where the stench of blood was nauseating," his lawyer, Milt Silverman, told the Los Angeles Times.

"He put all four fingers in his neck to stop his bleeding while he was staring closely at his mother - dead, and covered in blood. Josh laid there 11 hours."

lander · Feb 9, 2004

And neither would this - God Bless courageous leaders like Kerry.

http://www.casi.org.uk/pr/pr030217.html
Over 1 Million Iraqi Children Might Die in War - Secret UN Document
A newly-obtained confidential UN document predicts that 30 percent of children under 5 in Iraq, or 1.26 million, "would be at risk of death from malnutrition" in the event of a war. The draft document, "Integrated Humanitarian Contingency Plan for Iraq and Neighbouring Countries", was produced by the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) on 7 January 2003. Its release comes as aid agencies and government representatives meet urgently in Geneva to discuss humanitarian operations in the event of war."

The document, available at www.casi.org.uk/info/undocs/internal.html, contains the following key assessments:

"In the event of a crisis, 30 percent of children under 5 would be at risk of death from malnutrition" [p. 3(5)]. With 4.2 million children under five in Iraq [p. 3(5)], this represents 1.26 million children under five.
"the collapse of essential services in Iraq ... could lead to a humanitarian emergency of proportions well beyond the capacity of UN agencies and other aid organizations" [p. 4(6)]
"all UN agencies have been facing severe funding constraints that are preventing them from reaching even minimum levels of preparedness" [p. 1(3)]
"the effects of over 12 years of sanctions, preceded by war, have considerably increased the vulnerability of the population". [p. 3(5)]
"WFP [World Food Programme] estimates that approximately 10 million people ... would be highly food insecure, displaced or directly affected by military action" [p. 11(13)]
"in the event of a crisis, only 39 percent of the population would be serviced [with water] on a rationed basis" [p. 12(14)]
"UNHCR estimates that up to 1.45 million refugees and asylum-seekers may seek to flee Iraq in the event of a military conflict" [p. 9(11)]
"Up to 900,000 people may be displaced in addition to the 900,000-1,100,000 existing IDPs [internally displaced persons]" [p. 10(12)]
[from tables on p. 12(14)]
5,210,000 are highly vulnerable children under five and pregnant and lactating women.
500,000 potential direct and indirect casualties (overall population).
3,020,000 at nutritional risk (overall population).
18,240,000 might need access to treated water.
8,710,000 may need sanitation facilities.
Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq (CASI) co-ordinator, Jonathan Stevenson, said:

"These UN estimates reveal that the people of Iraq are facing a humanitarian crisis of overwhelming severity. The $30m of emergency aid offered to handle this - little more than $1 per Iraqi - is wholly inadequate. Tony Blair talks of a moral case for war, yet once again the indications are that no serious responsibility is being taken for the impact of UK policies on Iraq civilians."

The OCHA document is one of three internal UN documents released jointly by the New York-based Center for Economic and Social Rights (CESR) and CASI. The document was obtained by the CESR from UN personnel who believe that the potential humanitarian impact of war is a matter of global public concern that should be discussed fully and openly.

Notes to journalists:

1. The OCHA document is available at www.casi.org.uk/info/undocs/internal.html.
2. Please note this UN document is a draft. Estimates and other content may have since been revised. Please also note that a page reference above to, for example, [p. 3(5)], denotes page 3 in the number scheme of the original document, which is the 5th page in the PDF version hosted on the CASI website.

3. On Thursday 13 February, UN agencies revised their funding requirements for preparedness measures for a possible conflict to a total of "about $120 million" (see www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2003/OshimaBriefing.doc.htm). As of then, it was reported, some $30 million had been pledged after an initial request of $37.4 million.

4. A recent CESR document also released on Thursday 13 February warning that the international relief community is unprepared for humanitarian disaster in Iraq is available at www.cesr.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&catid=538&cpid=397&pressview=1.
5. A 1993 case study in the Physicians for Social Responsibility Quarterly found that "the number of Iraqis who died in 1991 from effects of the Gulf war or postwar turmoil approximates 205,500" (see Beth Osborne Daponte, "A Case Study in Estimating Casualties from War and Its Aftermath: The 1991 Persian Gulf War", www.ippnw.org/MGS/PSRQV3N2Daponte.html).
According to an internal UN document, 'Likely Humanitarian Scenarios', dated 10 December 2002 and released by CASI in January: "There is a temptation is some quarters to equate the situation following any future military intervention in Iraq, with the population's ability to cope in 1991. Such comparisons are not valid, as the sustentative majority of the population, immediately prior to the events of 1991, were in full employment and had cash and material assets available to them to cope with the crisis. Aside from now not having been gainfully employed for some time, during the intervening period, all except the most privileged have completely exhausted their cash assets and have also in most cases disposed of their material assets. Accordingly, the bulk of the population is now totally dependent on the Government of Iraq for a majority, if not all, of their basic needs and, unlike the situation in 1991, they have no way of coping if they cannot access them." The full document is at www.casi.org.uk/info/undocs/war021210notes.html.
6. The Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq (CASI) is a Cambridge-based NGO which provides information about the humanitarian situation in Iraq and its context. It also aims to raise awareness of the effects of sanctions on Iraq, and campaigns on humanitarian grounds for the lifting of non-military sanctions. CASI's concerns are exclusively humanitarian: it does not take a position on war on Iraq, nor does it support or have ties to the government of Iraq.

7. CASI's website can be found at www.casi.org.uk, and it can be contacted by email on info@casi.org.uk.

PatPatriot · Feb 9, 2004

,,,bwahahahhha...bwabwabwaahahahah!!

Thank you..just goes to show you how in liberal land up is down and down is up...wrong side of history again when the opposite is true.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> posted February 09, 2004 01:13 PM
And neither would this - God Bless courageous leaders like Kerry.

http://www.casi.org.uk/pr/pr030217.html
Over 1 Million Iraqi Children Might Die in War - Secret UN Document
A newly-obtained confidential UN document predicts that 30 percent of children under 5 in Iraq, or 1.26 million, "would be at risk of death from malnutrition" in the event of a war. The draft document, "Integrated Humanitarian Contingency Plan for Iraq and Neighbouring Countries", was produced by the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) on 7 January 2003. Its release comes as aid agencies and government representatives meet urgently in Geneva to discuss humanitarian operations in the event of war."

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

KMAN · Feb 9, 2004

Patriot - It's unbelievable that these people want this man freed. I bet if it was one of their friends or relatives that got cut up they wouldn't want him free.

The Hollywood freaks are something else.

KMAN

PatPatriot · Feb 9, 2004

Monday, Feb. 9, 2004
9th Circuit Court Intervenes for Hatchet Murderer

True to form, the infamous 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has now gone ahead and intervened for hatchet murderer Kevin Cooper.

"There should be no hurry to execute Cooper," grumbled Judge James R. Browning, as if two decades is a "hurry."

Sean Penn and Danny Glover must be weeping with joy. Perhaps one of these Hollywood millionaires will consider opening his mansion to Cooper if a court frees him.

Only time will tell if America will have another Carlie Brucia-style murder on its hands.

lander · Feb 9, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> ,,,bwahahahhha...bwabwabwaahahahah!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Patriot,
Are you in favor of the US causing over a million children to suffer and eventually die?

George Bush is.

KMAN · Feb 9, 2004

Lander - PLEASE COME UP WITH A NEW ARGUMENT!

Sheeeeesh!

KMAN

PatPatriot · Feb 9, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Patriot,
Are you in favor of the US causing over a million children to suffer and eventually die?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
SLander, were you implying Kerry and his liberal judges??

lander · Feb 9, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by KMAN:
Lander - PLEASE COME UP WITH A NEW ARGUMENT!

Sheeeeesh!

KMAN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry that George's genocide bores you, but that will not deter the fact that he is amonst the most evil men in modern history and should be tried before a war tribunal and sentanced to death for killings thousands of Iraqi children directly and likely a million more indirectly.

You get your panties in knots over some psycho killing a little girl, but look away when the US President kills thousands of children.

You're stance is illogical, hypocrytical and flat-out inane.

lander · Feb 9, 2004

Patriot,
Is that response an implicit "yes"? Are you also a fan of Hitler?

PatPatriot · Feb 9, 2004

SLander,where do you get your figures because they certainley aren't facts...There hasn't been 1 million children that have died...jesus post like that hurt your own cause because of their absurdity...the post are so laughable they don't even deserve a response.
I hope the kids in Afghanistan and Iraq aren't reading this because they can read now thanks to GW Bush.

lander · Feb 9, 2004

Originally posted by Patriot:
SLander,where do you get your figures because they certainley aren't facts...
I thought this was self-evident -

http://www.casi.org.uk/pr/pr030217.html
Over 1 Million Iraqi Children Might Die in War - Secret UN Document

but since it confused you let me elaborate. Casi.org wrote this article based on the information they obtained from a secret UN document.

There hasn't been 1 million children that have died...
Again, your English comprehension skills failed you, but no worries - I'm always here to help the educationally deficient Neo-Cons amongst us -

http://www.casi.org.uk/pr/pr030217.html
Over 1 Million Iraqi Children Might Die in War - Secret UN Document
A newly-obtained confidential UN document

MIGHT is the keyword here (hence my bolding of it). The reason this says might is that it was written before the war in order to give an accurate measure of the effects of a war in Iraq (you know, in the event that a genocidal cowardly lunatic were to wage such a war).
Since the war is clearly not over (despite the idiot subliminally proclaiming his idiotic message of "mission complete") we cannot give an actualy tally.

jesus post like that hurt your own cause because of their absurdity...
Jesus didn't post - I did. I posted on behalf of casi.org, whom wrote based on sources from the UN. I'm sorry that you feel that your opinion is more informed that the UN's, but they do specialize is world affairs whereas you specialize in cheerleading for war-evaders turned cheerleaders turned election-stealing genocidal lunatics.

the post are so laughable they don't even deserve a response.
And yet you respond, so I must deduct that your claiming
if (A) a post is laughable then
(B) it wouldn't get a response
A --> B
yet, you (~B) you responsed to my post.

This doesn't prove anything except that your assertions are (like most of your stuff) delusional.

You state A --> B
Than state A --> ~B (by posting)
B cannot be B and ~B at the same time.

I hope the kids in Afghanistan and Iraq aren't reading this because they can read now thanks to GW Bush.
I don't think you need to worry about this one - dead children cannot read.

PatPatriot · Feb 9, 2004

Slander your credibilty is going the way of Bill Clinton...You conveniantly left out the dates from that...ooooohhhhh "SECRET UN DOCUMENT".
You and liberalism is such a lie and is outdated and dead...that prediction from early 2003 was a far off as you are....The word "might" dosen't pony up even close to "IT DIDN'T HAPPEN"....You continually try to argue about semantics when lose the substance...Your as phoney as your propaganda.

lander · Feb 9, 2004

This war isn't over, and thus the effects of increased malnutrion and contaminated water are not yet measurable.

I honestly don't see the point of your pointless and weightless rebuttal.

Jointpleasure · Feb 9, 2004

The nukes we dropped on Japan saved more Japanese children than we killed, if you want to measure that out. Same goes for Iraq, only this time the US to a overly compassionate approach and it costed many more American lives than it could have. Saved a lot of Iraqis with this approach, but A=B.

Jointpleasure · Feb 9, 2004

By the way,

Good for you Arnold. I knew you would not let the victims families down anymore than they already are.

lander · Feb 9, 2004

90% of the Afghan casualties were civilians - and I'd suspect the same probably holds true for Iraq.

Is this your delusional understanding of the hypocrytical term "compassionate warfare"?

PatPatriot · Feb 9, 2004

Figures fool and fools figure.

100% of the civilians were civilians.

Oceans11 · Feb 9, 2004

xpanda · Feb 9, 2004

Patriot -- actually, there's a big piece of the puzzle missing from that article you posted. Apparently it's the jury who wants to see additional DNA testing done on some hair sample or something that was never tested before, which could shed light on the theory of an alternate killer. Surely, if the jury who presided over this case is concerned, given that it was their hands that this man's life fell into, that they should at the least be mentioned in this article.