This Morning the thread name should be changed: Shrink, enjoyed our talk last evening and playing the Devil's (is the word allowed here?) advocate is

beentheredonethat · Jul 1, 2003

You said when talking about betcbs: "This is a sports book that should be avoided at all costs until they pay out the money that is rightfully owed to these two accounts"

What difference does it make if they break under pressure and pay the two guys that took the shot at them? If they really should be avoided, then they should be avoided.

First, I think you would NOT have taken that position if this book was an advertiser. Second, IF (I do not think it was) it was wrong for them to not pay the two guys, management has shown it will do the wrong thing.

So, what you are saying is it is wrong for the bad management to screw these guys but if they pay these guys then it is ok for others to put their money at risk of these guys doing the wrong thing again, just with someone elses money.

What you should be doing is to find a way to throw all of these type of disputes into an arbitration process and ANY book that will not argree to those rules will be put on your watch list. Advertiser or not.

Sorry but this title fits better..

THE SHRINK

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darwinmobley · Jul 1, 2003

THE SHRINK · Jul 1, 2003

beentheredonethat,

We are dealing with a sports book that has had a stellar record until this incident...

I attribute this decision to bad judgement...

If they pay off these gamblers, I would have no problem recommending them again; advertisor or no advertisor..

THE SHRINK

beentheredonethat · Jul 1, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
beentheredonethat,

We are dealing with a sports book that has had a stellar record until this incident...

I attribute this decision to bad judgement...

If they pay off these gamblers, I would have no problem recommending them again; advertisor or no advertisor..

THE SHRINK<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then Shink, to suggest they should be avoided is WAY over the TOP. You should just present the facts and let informed people makeup their own mine. It looks like you are sending a message -- I will kick your balls when you make a bad decision IF you do not advertise with ME.

Shameless

mrtix · Jul 1, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Just curious if you know if Betonsports.com is still in business!! I have a pretty sizeable account with them, and now all of a sudden none of their phone numbers work, and their local numbers are all disconnected!! So do you know if they're in trouble?

Name withheld..

I tried dialing their betting number out of curiosity and I wasn't able to get through either...

Does anyone know what's going on there?

THE SHRINK
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Shink,

I am rather surprised that a man of your experience and influence in the offshore wagering industry would be having such "problems.” Please do not take this as a personal attack, however when they are stiffing someone of your stature, it is a tell-tall sign that bad things are afoot. Should not the proprietor of a watchdog site be on the forefront of most major sport book happenings? Is this a sign of the end of the educated, and well-informed Shink, and the downfall of the Rx, as an informed regulator of the offshore industry? By the way, NASA and their affiliations are thieves just ask myfootball game. With the limited free speech, and influx of cash-cow politics on this site, I am rather curious to see how long this post stays up with out being edited or removed.

Tix

THE SHRINK · Jul 1, 2003

mrtrix,

Nice to see u posting again...

This post isn't going anywhere...

You are entitled to your opinions...

Beentheredonethat,

Perhaps you may be right..

But when I don't give my opinions, quite often the gamblers wish I had...

THE SHRINK

Jabow · Jul 1, 2003

Well,
I was waiting for someone to have an idea of realistically what goes on.
In reference to whats happening with BetCBS, its an iffy situation, I gurantee most or all of those gamblers knew there was a "bad" line and they Jumped on it.

But in fairness, they can "honor the Wager" maybe not, I think just let them know and refund their money, or pay them on what the right number should have been,
But each book has its own set of rules,
I believe the owners were quite upset (and rightfully so) and felt that the players who took the numbers tried to take advantage of them.
I would feel the same way as an owner, and yes there are books who have scammed, but there are a gazillion players out there trying to scam a book.
In every form or fashion.
Shrink take note
a lot of books have entire departments working 24/7 yes 24/7 dealing with client FRAUD, yes FRAUD, they are paying a hefty sum yearly battling with these things, its a you snooze you loose deal.

Every operating book had or have to deal with these situations all the time,
now,
IF a judgement like this is given to BETCBS, then EVERY BOOK should be avoided.
Because they all have told a client or two to go fvuck yourself in situatiuons like this, and if you did'nt or don't youre not going to be in business too long or your shop is already closed.

Dont mention all the other stuff clients try to do to get over,
send funds and pull out or cancel because they lost, so the book thinks or thought they had it, multiple accounts for fraudulent purposes,
most players are no pastors or priests, but remember even the priests are fvcking people over(literally)
so, its the path we've taken, I really dont think BETCBS have the intentions to be bad, its a situation that could and should have been taken care of out of this forum instead of reading the riot act on the book, its abuse of "power" power in this term being of the posters and lurkers who come to the site, and is influenced by what they "see" here there fore its a libelous situation, but hey I'm no Lawyer.

thank you.

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lander · Jul 1, 2003

beentheredonethat, sounds more like beentherebookedthat ...

.. the great think about these disputes is one can usually see which side of the counter everyone else is on when it comes time to take a stance

marc · Jul 1, 2003

Beenthere,

I agree with some of what you are saying. Truly, any sportsbook operator who takes the stance of "i'm going to pay who I want to pay, and stiff who I want to stiff," or or simply takes the attitude that when there is a player dispute, he doesn't give adamn about what the player has to say, doesn't give a damn about whether the rest of the world aggrees with the player, that book should be avoided at all costs. Based off of Daves response he clearly falls into this category. If you know of anotherbook that operates in this fashion than you should mention it to the shrink.

WHat you need to understand is that we are dealing in an environment where there are no laws. Evrything is based on the honor system. And disputes even amongst honest players and honest bookmakers will arise. And in most cases the bookmaker will be have the final say. So you have to ask yourself, if and when a dispute arises, will the bookmaker act in aproffessional and honest way, or in a dishonest and unprofessional way. In the case of BETCBS, its not just the outcome that many disagree with, buts its the manner in whihc it was handled. By any standard, it was highly unprofessioanl. And for that reason alone, people should be told to avoid it. It Dave were to acknowledge taht fact, it would definitely change poeple perception of him. But until thast time, why should anyone entrust thier money with him.

krackman · Jul 1, 2003

Jabow- Very good post. A group contacted me recently wanting to open a book and I said that is the last thing I would want to do with my money and advised them not to.

altice · Jul 1, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> In the case of BETCBS, its not just the outcome that many disagree with, buts its the manner in whihc it was handled. By any standard, it was highly unprofessioanl. And for that reason alone, people should be told to avoid it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Marc, you hit the nail right on the head there. Remember Bill from NAB and the "tactful" way he used to handle disputes on the various forums.

jjgold · Jul 1, 2003

Dave is a fukkin shot taking fukking thief period. Lets not cut corners and tell it like it is period. CBS has gone from a great book to the biggest piece of shit criminal book in the world. Stay away from BETCBS, they are shot takers and use your hard earned cash to take shots.

Whoever comes I here and takes shots at Kenny I am going to fukkin crucify. Kenny is the most admirable and honest man in the offshore arena.

PULL YOUR MONEY FROM BETCBS!!!!

THE SHRINK · Jul 1, 2003

Jabow...

JimRoss · Jul 1, 2003

Shrink

Please---you don't need JJDolt to represent for you and threaten to "crucify" posters in your behalf. Write him a prescription to evaporate. What is he turning your forum into ?? I'll tell you what...his personal side show. Really.

This guy would get backhanded at any other place he shows up at acting the way he does other than the cloak of the internet. Your forum and you deserve better than this crude and vulgar jack-in-the box.

jjgold · Jul 1, 2003

Jim get lost. I hate fukkin shills like you and i bet your a bigger loser in life you degenerate.

lander · Jul 1, 2003

JJ - continue to fight the good fight against thieves like Dave, brother

jjgold · Jul 1, 2003

Ok Lander I will not waste my time with the degenerate Ross.

Good Luck

HABSMAN · Jul 1, 2003

LMFAO!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by jjgold:
Jim get lost. I hate fukkin shills like you and i bet your a bigger loser in life you degenerate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

THE SHRINK · Jul 1, 2003

Jim Ross,

You are clearly the same poster as Dave Johnson or acting on his behalf....

You are a pathetic little man to shill like this...

The specific references to java being associated with casablanca's old computer system would ONLY be known to Dave Johnson and his immediate associates...

I can also confirm that JAVA was their programmer of their old system...

Based upon this evidence, and the timing, content, tone and style of Mr Johnsom and Mr Ross's posts, this one's a no brainer that you are both Casablanca!

Java's past association with Casablanca has given us insight into the spin doctoring!!

THE SHRINK

jjgold · Jul 1, 2003

Good Job Kenny, know one can fool you.

BETCBS are thieves, do not play there.

They are professional shot takers!!!

Way better books to play at.

Pay the man Dave

Are you broke BETCBS?????