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I'm not saying this is good/bad, wrong/right or anything else.
This is what the left has been talking about all this time when we say attacking Iraq increases the risk of terrorist attacks against the U.S..


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/from_our_own_correspondent/2942011.stm

Disappointment stalks Arab world

By Frank Gardner
BBC security correspondent


Palestinian militants in Gaza burn a flag on a mock coffin for Arab armies
On a park bench in central London two men sit slumped in despair.

Both Arabs, both journalists, they draw deeply on their cigarettes. For the past few hours they've been watching the fall of Saddam's regime in Iraq, and they are not happy.

This, they told me, was a disaster on a par with Israel's defeat of the Arabs in 1948. It was, they said, a black day.

Of course, not all Arabs feel that way. Millions of Iraqis have embraced the end of Saddam's repressive regime. Kuwaitis are dancing for joy.

Their country no longer has to live in the shadow of a giant neighbour, that nearly swallowed them up in 1990. In the air-conditioned shopping malls of Kuwait City, mobile phones have been bleeping constantly, as teenagers text each other the latest news of their enemy's downfall.

Nobody particularly liked Saddam Hussein, but he was an Arab with an Arab army

But in the wider Arab world, there is a sullen air of disappointment, perhaps even humiliation. Nobody particularly liked Saddam Hussein, but he was an Arab with an Arab army. And that army was defeated by a force most Arabs view as colonial aggressors.

The Pentagon may portray its troops as liberators, but in the cafes of Cairo and Damascus they are seen by many as occupiers, bent on stealing Iraq's oil.

Men stare, glassy-eyed, at wall-mounted television sets, stirring their sweet tea and slowly shaking their heads. They never really expected Saddam's forces to win. But they did expect them to put up more of a fight.

Media takes sides

From day one of this war, Arab public opinion has been firmly against the US-led invasion.

Perhaps it would have been different if the Palestinians had a state of their own. But Arabs blame Washington for the suffering of the stateless Palestinians, and for 12 years of UN sanctions on Iraq.

Whatever the US and British motives in deposing Saddam, few Arabs believe this war was carried out with their interests in mind.

Baghdad fell yesterday to the hands of the new Tartars

Al-Watan - Oman


Arab press review
The Arab media has made no attempt to be impartial. Coalition forces have been called 'aggressors', dead Iraqis are 'martyrs'. There's been a widespread acceptance in the Middle East that US warplanes deliberately targeted first civilians, and then journalists in Baghdad.

There's been little mention of the enormous lengths pilots have gone to, to avoid hitting residential areas.

In most Arab countries, the coverage has been heavily influenced by governments, acting through their powerful ministries of information.

An editorial in Egypt's pro-government Al-Gomhuria newspaper called for 'armed struggle and martyrdom bombers' to 'compel the aggressors to withdraw in disgrace'.

Oman's Al-Watan called Coalition troops 'the new Tartars', and said 'free people should not sleep while there is inequity or occupation'.

Arab volunteers

And sure enough, many ordinary Arabs have answered the call. Thousands volunteered to fight the Coalition.

They went, not to defend Saddam, but to defend as they saw it, a Muslim country from latter-day Crusaders. But this campaign was so swift that most never even made it past the Syrian border.

In Cairo, whole busloads of volunteers never even pulled out of the capital. The would-be martyrs have returned, frustrated, to their homes and families.

There is, of course, a large dose of hypocrisy here on the part of several Arab governments.

Bin Laden always warned that the West was out to colonise the Arab world ... many will now agree

Egypt, Saudi Arabia and all the rulers and sheikhdoms of the Gulf have opened up their bases and airspaces to Coalition forces. The US-led invasion of Iraq would have been a logistic nightmare without their support.

Take Qatar for example. It's home to Coalition headquarters and General Tommy Franks's staff. Yet last week the pro-government newspaper Al-Watan claimed the US had declared war on Islam, and perpetrated what it called terrorist crimes against Muslims.

Only words perhaps, but sentiments like these play right into the hands of extremist groups like al-Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda waits

The shadowy organisation of Osama Bin Laden has been largely silent since war started.


Osama Bin Laden may reap dividends from the war
But in the long-run it will probably reap dividends. Recruiting is almost certainly up, since countless Arabs watched daily reports of Iraqi civilians being killed and maimed by US airstrikes.

Bin Laden always warned that the West was out to colonise the Arab world. With US tanks on the streets of Baghdad, many will now agree with him.

And that is despite Washington's insistence that its troops will leave once stability is restored.

Palestinian dream

But if al-Qaeda stands to gain from this conflict, the losers must surely be the Palestinians.

Saddam Hussein was their last distant hope of ever seriously confronting Israel's military might.

In the teeming slums of Gaza, I've interviewed families who boasted of the money Saddam had sent them - bounties for their young men who went off to blow themselves up in Israeli shopping malls.

For those who've grown up knowing nothing but life as a refugee, there was always the dream that one day, Saddam's vast army would come marching westwards, all the way to the gates of Jerusalem.

Today, that dream lies broken in the rubble of Saddam's smashed regime.
 
the threat of terrorism will always be great as long as the u.s. is dependent on oil from a backwards,despot littered,tribalistic,medieval,religiously fanatical region....on the other hand,the iraq situation may actually lead to progress on the israeli-palestinian front.....

Israel Ponders Settlements for Peace Plan








___ Conflict in the Mideast ___
SPECIAL REPORT

Latest News From the Mideast:



By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI
The Associated Press
Sunday, April 13, 2003; 3:56 AM


JERUSALEM - Israel will hand over some Jewish settlements in the West Bank for peace, but the Palestinians must give up on their demand for refugees to be allowed to return to their former homes in Israel, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said in an interview published Sunday.

In a broad interview with the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Sharon said he believes the U.S.-led war on Iraq has shaken up the Middle East and may open the door to new opportunities for negotiations.

A hardliner who played a key role in building Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Sharon outlined his reservations with the so-called U.S.-backed "road map" to Palestinian statehood.

An Israeli delegation headed by Dov Weisglass, director-general of Sharon's office, headed to the United States Saturday to present 15 Israeli reservations with the plan.

The plan envisions Palestinian statehood by 2005 and is backed by the Quartet of Middle East mediators - the United States, the European Union, the United Nations and Russia.

The U.S.-led war on Iraq "generated a shock through the Middle East and it brings with it a prospect of great changes," Sharon told Haaretz.

However, whether peace is reached depends on the Palestinians, he said, adding they must first change their leadership and fight terrorism. Viewed by Israel as a moderate, Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian prime minister-designate, could be the key to a possible peace deal, he said.

Palestinian Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat said Israel's attempt to change the road map was meant to "sabotage" the project. "It's another way for the Israeli government to say it is rejecting the road map," he said.

Sharon said Israel's main concerns with the road map are security-related, but he gave no details, saying only the differences were in "wording" not in opinion.

In addition, Israel wants progress in the plan to be conditional on implementation - when one step is completed the sides move on to the next phase, Sharon said. The Palestinians want the sides to adhere to a strict timetable.

The third key demand, Sharon said, is the right of return for refugees. "This definitely poses a problem," he added.

An Israeli government official who spoke on condition of anonymity, clarified that Israel wants the Palestinians to give up the right of return in a deal that would grant them a state with provisional borders, one of the steps toward permanent statehood outlined in the road map.

Palestinians demand refugees be allowed to return to homes that they fled during the 1948 Middle East war. Those homes are in what is now Israel.

Israel - which views the right of return as a threat to its existence as a Jewish state - says the hundreds of thousands of refugees, who are spread throughout the world and in camps in the West Bank and Gaza, should only be allowed to return to the new Palestinian state.

The right of return was one of the main reasons peace talks collapsed in July 2000. Two months later, fighting erupted. Since then, 2,262 people have been killed on the Palestinian side and 755 on the Israeli side.

Israel and the United States have demanded the Palestinians reform their government and appoint a prime minister. Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, was recently chosen by the Palestinian parliament to fill the role, but his appointment has been delayed by difficulties forming a Cabinet and differences of opinion with Yasser Arafat.

Sharon held out hope that Abbas would take steps to combat terrorism and violence. "Abu Mazen understands that it is impossible to vanquish Israel by means of terrorism," he said.

Sharon repeated in the interview a pledge to make "painful concessions" for peace. Going a little further than usual, he mentioned by name two Jewish settlements, Shiloh and Beit El, West Bank areas that hold biblical and historical significance for Jews.

"I know that we will have to part with some of these places. There will be a parting from places that are connected to the whole course of our history. As a Jew this agonizes me. But I have decided to make every effort to reach a settlement," Sharon said.

Sharon's government includes several extreme-right parties - including some that don't recognize the Palestinian right to statehood and call for a "transfer" of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip to Jordan.

If Sharon reaches a deal that would require Israel to dismantle settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, these parties would bolt his government, leaving him with a minority in the 120-seat parliament. But the opposition Labor Party has said it will support a peace deal if Sharon presents it to parliament.

"Eventually there will be a Palestinian state," Sharon said, repeating a statement that contradicts his own Likud party platform.

"I do not think we have to rule over another people and run their lives. I do not think that we have the strength for that," Sharon said, adding that Israel's recent reoccupation of Palestinian towns and cities in the West Bank is temporary. "It is not a situation that can persist."

© 2003 The Associated Press
 

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Kaya, save for this war every quote or feeling in that story could have been written 15 years ago and it would have been any different.

The only thing they respect is strength.

Part ot he reason you don't hear from Assama is that he knows he fxcked up that his actions during a Bush presidency was the wrong thing to do...just ask syria...Kicked the sleeping giant...which was one of the comments heard from Japenese military head when they bombed pearl harbor.
 

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Actually Patriot this is increased sentiment after 15 years (or more), as you point out, of stewing anti-U.S. sentiment, we give them one more reason.
 

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Thats debatable, you will see once the palastinian issue is resolved..and it will be once these terrorism states are takin care of...Isreal will not agree to anything unless they get garanteed peace.
 
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The only thing they respect is strength.


Why haven't we showed them our strength?

The only thing that I've seen is cheap and theatrical military gadgets from a country with a horrific war budget.
 

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These terrorists do not admire strentgh. They do not fear US military capabilities. When they see our force at work, there hatred for western life and the USA grows deeper. I feel WAY less safe now then I did prior to us taking this action.
 
already have. Lets see how they like it now, when we take the fight to them.

The leaders of the terrorist states will think twice about fukin with the US.

After 8 years of clintoon they believed they could get away with anything. Times have changed.

It's not safe to vote democrats in office.
 

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The U.S. is going to see way more terrorsit threats real or imagine because of this. That goes without saying
 

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Funny, but I just heard the Office of Homeland Security is going to LOWER the color-coded threat level this week. So much for an increased risk of terrorism.
 
I feel so much safer now that we are taking the fight to them. So far so good.
 

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"The leaders of the terrorist states will think twice about fukin with the US."

Suicide bombers don't think twice about who they attack.
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"Funny, but I just heard the Office of Homeland Security is going to LOWER the color-coded threat level this week. So much for an increased risk of terrorism."

Hello!! Can you say propoganda? We're at war. What are they going to make it higher on the crayola coded scale?
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