"This is why everyone hates you, New England"

[PatsFanatic]

What is Bellichick guilty of? He worked a camp that Sandusky worked 40 years ago?
Why not defame all the other coaches who worked the camp, they must be guilty of "something" as well.

Just seems like you go on and on about this Sandusky camp with no direct accusations of anything the guy could have possibly done wrong.

What did your friend tell you? Was Bellichcik in the showers with young boys too? Because that would be a story that no none would be afraid to air.
Or was he guilty of riding a blocking sled next to Jerry?

 

[metro]

Pat , not in the showers with the boys , not exactly that.

That he may have saw something in the locker room. That he may have heard something in the locker room..

and that being aware of what the whispers were with sandusky at that camp ( leap frog naked in the showers was part of the "jokey"
culture around homo sexuality at the camp, in part to deflect attention ala McGwire with creatine in his locker hiding something much more sinister..

mr.wiffle .. naked leap frog and the bba ( bum buddies assoc ) and other very disturbing things all part of the jokey culture that
Belichik looked the other way about because the checks from the camp as its most trusted guest instructor were too good to pass up

 

[metro]

the timeline with purchase of his family home cant be ignored that he likely co mingled money from those camps with salary
to purchase his family home , by proxy purchased with money that he made enabling Sandusky

 

[metro]

i just cant stay quiet about it, but thats just me

 

[PatsFanatic]

the timeline with purchase of his family home cant be ignored that he likely co mingled money from those camps with salary
to purchase his family home , by proxy purchased with money that he made enabling Sandusky

OK, this all seems very vague. He may have seen something, known something. If thats the case then I would want Bellichick held responsible as well.
After all I thought JoePa should have been held accountable for enabling Sandusky. Its a stretch for me to say Bellichick knew something when he simply worked a football camp with Sandusky. I would assume everybody knew something then.

You have talked about helping people skirt the system on here quite a bit. Have you made money helping people skirt the system?
Should we hold you accountable for helping people commit fraud? Enabling is the word you use. Did you buy your home from helping these people commit fraud?

Maybe someone should report on you for enabling people break the law? I'm probably stretching here a bit, but you get the idea of where I'm going.

 

[HacheMan]

Lots of hatred and jealousy in this thread.

My God you guys have a case of PDS

Yep

Lifelong Bucs fan but appreciate the Pats and like to see them win.

Not arrogant, not flashy, not the most athletic, but kicking azz & taking names

 

[NorthernStar]

I think the point is made, but you have trouble reading it.

It doesn't matter what division or conference they play in. Since the B&B beginning, they've won more games out of their division than anybody else.
Let that sink in against your weakest division nonsense.

Every sport you seems teams get up for a big game and then the next game they come out flat. This is undeniable.

So when the rest of the league has big games with a conference rivals....it will automatically result in them not being as up for some other game. So it may sound good to quote that stat it really isnt all that impressive.

So for practical purposes New England doesn't even have to get up for their division games. So logically they will show a better record against non division teams. The fact that they play in the weakest division and it is not even close has been a huge advantage.

Now New England cant control that or their schedule but to not at least actknowledge the fact that this has been a huge advantage is naive. Once you have made the playoffs you only have to play a few good games to make the Super Bowl.

Probably one of the biggest factor's of the weak division and with that a good record is that also increase the chances of playing at home which they are 6-1 in conference championship games.

 

[phdinsports]

New England plays a first place schedule, every year, without exception. Nobody else does

In the Belichick Brady era

They have the best record in the NFL
They have the best record the conference
They have the best record in any division
They have the best record in their conference OUTSIDE their division
They have the best record in the NFL OUTSIDE their division
They have the best record in inter-conference play
They have the best record in the post season
They have 9 SB appearances and 6 titles, nobody is in their zip code

And for kickers, they're 60% ATS

Anyway you try to slice the pie, whatever you want to look at, they're at the top of the class. Stated differently, there's NOTHING they're not the best at

Trying to diminish their accomplishments by blaming it on the AFC East is pure poppycock. As a matter of fact, it's more accurate to say their division rivals records are hurt by the fact that they have to play the Patriots twice every year

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/trends/ats_trends/

^^^^^^ It's all here

In the Kraft Goodell era

They have the most cheating scandals
They have the most playoff pass attempts
They have the fewest playoff holding penalties
They have the fewest playoff penalties when compared to their opponents

They're at the top of the class when it comes to cheating. Having friends in high places helps them immensely. But I am thankful for the only guaranteed locks in history!! Betting the Cheats under in penalties in the Super Bowl!!

 

[Willie99]

oh boo hoo, you're breaking my heart

 

[REDEYE]

stopped hating the Pats awhile back... You just have to respect what they do with the whole organization buying in to what they sell.. they have created a culture to where players want to go there... TO WIN...…..the coach is the greatest of all time too.. no denying that...

 

[Michelangelo]

Every sport you seems teams get up for a big game and then the next game they come out flat. This is undeniable.

So when the rest of the league has big games with a conference rivals....it will automatically result in them not being as up for some other game. So it may sound good to quote that stat it really isnt all that impressive.

So for practical purposes New England doesn't even have to get up for their division games. So logically they will show a better record against non division teams. The fact that they play in the weakest division and it is not even close has been a huge advantage.

Now New England cant control that or their schedule but to not at least actknowledge the fact that this has been a huge advantage is naive. Once you have made the playoffs you only have to play a few good games to make the Super Bowl.

Probably one of the biggest factor's of the weak division and with that a good record is that also increase the chances of playing at home which they are 6-1 in conference championship games.

What you're leaving out is that EVERY team "gets up" for the Patriots. Beating them is a season booster or in some cases a season maker.

All teams play outside their division. The Pats have the best record playing outside their division of ANY team. THat buries this "weak division" argument. Any Division that the Pats were in would look like a weak Division because their opponents put so much energy and strategy into beating the Pats. THey always fail in the B&B era in the AFC East and they would in any division the Pats played in.

To not recognize their unparalleled superiority in the B&B era is just folly.

 

[REDEYE]

What you're leaving out is that EVERY team "gets up" for the Patriots. Beating them is a season booster or in some cases a season maker.

All teams play outside their division. The Pats have the best record playing outside their division of ANY team. THat buries this "weak division" argument. Any Division that the Pats were in would look like a weak Division because their opponents put so much energy and strategy into beating the Pats. THey always fail in the B&B era in the AFC East and they would in any division the Pats played in.

To not recognize their unparalleled superiority in the B&B era is just folly.

That's just a pure guess to say any division the Pats are in would be a weak division. Jets , Dolphins , and the Bills can't get out of their own way. bad organizations for years. Their not bad organizations because New England is great... It is an advantage to play in the AFC East.. Not saying that's the reason why NE is great. But no one can convince me that its not a advantage to some degree. This is the only division each year where you consistently have just a really good team in it..

 

[PatsFan1283]

Of course it is an advantage to play in a crappy division year after year.

Playing better teams = worse chance to win

Playing worse teams = better chance to win

If they played in the toughest division over the last 18 years (whatever you deem that to be), would they have slightly less success? Perhaps culminating in something like 1 less superbowl or .4 less wins per season? Possibly, who cares? That still laps everyone else by a mile.

What is even the debate here?

 

[Willie99]

The Patriots win 77% of their games OUT OF THEIR DIVISION, no close second.

That's the single biggest reason everyone hated them.

But I look at it this way, if they weren't as hated, if they weren't so UNDERRATED, they would never be 60% ATS. For that, I'm grateful boys

NEVER GIVE UP, DON'T EVER GIVE UP

 

[CHOPTALK]

What you're leaving out is that EVERY team "gets up" for the Patriots. Beating them is a season booster or in some cases a season maker.

All teams play outside their division. The Pats have the best record playing outside their division of ANY team. THat buries this "weak division" argument. Any Division that the Pats were in would look like a weak Division because their opponents put so much energy and strategy into beating the Pats. THey always fail in the B&B era in the AFC East and they would in any division the Pats played in.

To not recognize their unparalleled superiority in the B&B era is just folly.

So if the saints where in the afc east you saying they would turn into the jets?

 

[Willie99]

Well, they wouldn't turn into the Patriots

Geez, the Saints are not even the Steelers or the Colts or the Broncos..... or a whole bunch of programs with more wins than the Saints

 

[Michelangelo]

So if the saints where in the afc east you saying they would turn into the jets?

How about if the Pats were playing Tampa Bay, Carolina, and the Falcons over the last 19 years what do you think their record would be?

You guys think the AFC East is easy yet the Pats are 1-5 in Miami their last five games there. Yes, that's straight up AND ATS. How does the rest of the league do when they go into Buffalo? I don't have the stats, but not well I'll bet. And although the Jets are struggling now they have not always been that bad.

How would you like to be a GM in this Division having to chase the Pats EVERY year? Tough job. Not because the Pats are in the AFC East but because they'd cause GM fits no matter what division they were in in the B&B era.

Yea, I'm from Boston. But it's all true. We watch this organization work up close. It's been incredible since 2001. We were perennial also-rans before Kraft, Belli, and Brady.

 

[REDEYE]

The Patriots win 77% of their games OUT OF THEIR DIVISION, no close second.

That's the single biggest reason everyone hated them.

But I look at it this way, if they weren't as hated, if they weren't so UNDERRATED, they would never be 60% ATS. For that, I'm grateful boys

NEVER GIVE UP, DON'T EVER GIVE UP

as I have stated with a couple other posts.. I'm way past hating them.. more respect as this run continues.. I'm just singling out just one single issue about the division they play in... those franchises have been weak for years.. And their not weak because NE is great.. weak franchises happen in all sports.. just so happens , you have 3 weak ones all in the same division...what's debatable is how much of a factor it is to have 6 games like this every year.. minimal ? maybe .. maybe more...

 

[REDEYE]

How about if the Pats were playing Tampa Bay, Carolina, and the Falcons over the last 19 years what do you think their record would be?

You guys think the AFC East is easy yet the Pats are 1-5 in Miami their last five games there. Yes, that's straight up AND ATS. How does the rest of the league do when they go into Buffalo? I don't have the stats, but not well I'll bet. And although the Jets are struggling now they have not always been that bad.

How would you like to be a GM in this Division having to chase the Pats EVERY year? Tough job. Not because the Pats are in the AFC East but because they'd cause GM fits no matter what division they were in in the B&B era.

Yea, I'm from Boston. But it's all true. We watch this organization work up close. It's been incredible since 2001. We were perennial also-rans before Kraft, Belli, and Brady.

How often do the 3 stooges make the playoffs ?

 

[REDEYE]

Miami , Jets , and Bills , continue to draft bad , make bad free agent aquisistions , have bad coaching and front office hires , and always seem to be starting over from scratch. Its more ineptness …. and its not because the Pats are causing GM fits...I get it might be frustrating but sometimes you have to look in the mirror more at what you're doing , then blaming another teams success for 20 years..