Third Party Money like 527s

[Willie99]

<table class="datadisplay"><thead><tr class="rowTint"><th>
</th><th>Type</th><th>Description</th></tr><tr><td valign="top">Alliance for Economic Justice
</td><td> 501(c)(5)
Internal
</td><td valign="top">A liberal coalition of more than 20 unions, representing more than 5 million workers ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">America Coming Together
</td><td> 527
PAC
</td><td valign="top">One of the leading Democratic interest groups dedicated to defeating President Bush ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">America Votes
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Coordinates the activities of more than 20 Democratic interest groups ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">American Civic Coalition
</td><td> 501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">A Republican-leaning group aiming to help "grassroots" activists to educate the American public ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">American Family Voices
</td><td> 501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">Democratic-leaning group led by former Clinton aide Michael Lux ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Americans for a Better Country
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Pro-Republican group that aims to counter the efforts of Democratic-leaning groups ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Americans for Job Security
</td><td> 501(c)(6)
</td><td valign="top">A conservative, pro-business organization established to counter labor's influence ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Democratic group formed to promote the discussion of jobs and health care ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Americans for Responsible Government
</td><td> 501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">Republican group focusing on taxes, families and economic growth ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Billionaires for Bush
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Works to organize opposition to the Bush administration through the Internet and street theater ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Bring Ohio Back
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">This left-leaning group aims to "educate Ohioans about the failure of the Bush administration" ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Center for American Progress
</td><td> 501(c)(3)
501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">Democratic think tank formed to find progressive solutions to a host of problems ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Citizens United
</td><td> PAC
501(c)(3)
501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">A Republican leaning organization that wants to “restore government control to the citizens” ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Club for Growth
</td><td> 527
PAC
</td><td valign="top">Dedicated to electing Republican fiscal conservatives ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Colorado Conservative Voters
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">A Republican-leaning group promoting Colorado candidates that support "conservative values" ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Daschle Democrats
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Raised money in '02 to counter ads critical of Sen. Tom Daschle, D-SD ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Grassfire.org
</td><td> 501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">The media component of grassfire.net, a conservative, Pro-Bush organization ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Grassroots Democrats
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Channels unlimited soft money to Democratic state and local parties ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Leadership Forum
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Conducts issue advocacy in support of Republican House candidates ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">League of Conservation Voters
</td><td> 527
PAC
</td><td valign="top">The “political voice of the national environmental movement” ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Legislative Education Action Drive
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Conservative group that supports private school voucher programs ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Main Street Individual Fund
</td><td> 527
PAC
</td><td valign="top">New York-based group founded to help elect moderate Republican candidates ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Media Fund
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Will coordinate a large ad campaign in support of the Democratic presidential nominee ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">MoveOn.org
</td><td> 527
PAC
501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">Airing TV ads that are critical of President Bush in key battleground states ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">National Committee for a Responsible Senate
</td><td> 501(c)(6)
</td><td valign="top">Created to conduct issue advocacy in support of GOP Senate candidates ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Natural Resources Defense Council
</td><td> 527
501(c)(3)
501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">A national environmental organization with more than one million members and online activists ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">New Democrat Network
</td><td> 527
PAC
</td><td valign="top">Helps to elect centrist Democratic candidates ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">New House PAC
</td><td> 527
PAC
</td><td valign="top">Dedicated to supporting Democratic House candidates ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Partnership for America's Families
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Will conduct voter-registration drive in support of Democratic candidates ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">People for a Better Florida
</td><td> 501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">A Republican-leaning group that seeks to impact issues such as medical malpractice reform. ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">People of Color United
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">A conservative organization devoted to informing people of color about the presidential contenders ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Progress for America
</td><td> 527
501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">Conducting issue-advocacy efforts in support of GOP candidates ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Progressive Donor Network
</td><td> 501(c)(4)
</td><td valign="top">Democratic group focused on opposing President Bush's reelection ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Service Employees International Union
</td><td> 527
PAC
</td><td valign="top">This 1.6 million-member union is the largest affiliate in the AFL-CIO ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Sierra Club
</td><td> 527
PAC
</td><td valign="top">A national environmental organization with more than 700,000 members ...</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td valign="top">Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">A conservative group of Vietnam Veterans that have questioned Sen. John Kerry's Vietnam service ...</td></tr><tr><td valign="top">Voices for Working Families
</td><td> 527
</td><td valign="top">Works on Democratic voter registration in 16 battleground states ...</td></tr></thead></table>

 

[Willie99]

<table class="datadisplay" style="clear: both;" id="srt"><thead><tr class="rowTint"><th>Committee</th><th>Total Receipts</th><th>Expenditures</th><th>Federal PAC</th><th>2004
Major Player Profile</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td>America Coming Together</td><td class="number">$79,795,487</td><td class="number">$78,040,480</td><td class="center">X</td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Joint Victory Campaign 2004*</td><td class="number">$71,811,666</td><td class="number">$72,588,053</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Media Fund</td><td class="number">$59,414,183</td><td class="number">$57,694,580</td><td> </td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Service Employees International Union</td><td class="number">$48,385,367</td><td class="number">$47,695,646</td><td class="center">X</td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr><td>Progress for America</td><td class="number">$44,929,178</td><td class="number">$35,631,378</td><td> </td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Swift Vets & POWs for Truth</td><td class="number">$17,008,090</td><td class="number">$22,565,360</td><td> </td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr><td>MoveOn.org</td><td class="number">$12,956,215</td><td class="number">$21,565,803</td><td class="center">X</td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>College Republican National Cmte</td><td class="number">$12,780,126</td><td class="number">$17,260,655</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>New Democrat Network</td><td class="number">$12,726,158</td><td class="number">$12,524,063</td><td class="center">X</td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Citizens for a Strong Senate</td><td class="number">$10,853,730</td><td class="number">$10,228,515</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Club for Growth</td><td class="number">$10,645,976</td><td class="number">$11,943,415</td><td class="center">X</td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Sierra Club</td><td class="number">$8,727,127</td><td class="number">$6,261,811</td><td class="center">X</td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr><td>EMILY's List</td><td class="number">$7,739,946</td><td class="number">$8,100,752</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Voices for Working Families</td><td class="number">$7,466,056</td><td class="number">$7,202,695</td><td> </td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr><td>League of Conservation Voters</td><td class="number">$6,049,500</td><td class="number">$5,078,116</td><td class="center">X</td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers</td><td class="number">$5,010,321</td><td class="number">$7,368,841</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Democratic Victory 2004</td><td class="number">$3,696,869</td><td class="number">$2,346,179</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Laborers Union</td><td class="number">$3,455,921</td><td class="number">$3,294,785</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>America Votes</td><td class="number">$3,174,936</td><td class="number">$3,649,615</td><td> </td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>November Fund</td><td class="number">$3,151,170</td><td class="number">$3,124,718</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Partnership for America's Families</td><td class="number">$3,071,211</td><td class="number">$2,936,666</td><td> </td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>National Assn of Realtors</td><td class="number">$2,979,522</td><td class="number">$3,002,977</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Grassroots Democrats</td><td class="number">$2,819,483</td><td class="number">$2,592,499</td><td> </td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Stronger America Now</td><td class="number">$2,790,817</td><td class="number">$2,690,989</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Democrats 2000</td><td class="number">$2,547,677</td><td class="number">$1,083,595</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Coalition to Defend the American Dream</td><td class="number">$1,925,890</td><td class="number">$1,610,224</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Sheet Metal Workers Union</td><td class="number">$1,877,505</td><td class="number">$1,897,379</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>GOPAC</td><td class="number">$1,819,112</td><td class="number">$2,367,852</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Music for America</td><td class="number">$1,717,820</td><td class="number">$1,590,784</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>California Repub Convention Delegation</td><td class="number">$1,600,750</td><td class="number">$1,612,595</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Illinois Hospital & Health Systems Assn</td><td class="number">$1,420,512</td><td class="number">$1,151,188</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Safer Together 04</td><td class="number">$1,387,727</td><td class="number">$1,171,323</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>National Federation of Republican Women</td><td class="number">$1,355,354</td><td class="number">$3,462,507</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Americans for Progress & Opportunity</td><td class="number">$1,306,092</td><td class="number">$1,305,667</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Ironworkers Union</td><td class="number">$1,304,454</td><td class="number">$1,225,327</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Republican Leadership Coalition</td><td class="number">$1,294,950</td><td class="number">$1,300,752</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Environment 2004</td><td class="number">$1,205,849</td><td class="number">$1,167,762</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Americans United to Preserve Marriage</td><td class="number">$1,192,090</td><td class="number">$1,056,962</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Americans for Better Government</td><td class="number">$1,185,174</td><td class="number">$1,230,227</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Progressives League</td><td class="number">$1,175,000</td><td class="number">$210,105</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Natural Resources Defense Council</td><td class="number">$1,112,307</td><td class="number">$1,005,283</td><td> </td><td class="center">X</td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Young Democrats of America</td><td class="number">$1,110,227</td><td class="number">$723,781</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Public Campaign Action Fund</td><td class="number">$1,109,209</td><td class="number">$990,056</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund</td><td class="number">$1,103,509</td><td class="number">$1,374,220</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>America's PAC</td><td class="number">$1,081,700</td><td class="number">$1,061,336</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Mainstreet USA Inc</td><td class="number">$1,060,000</td><td class="number">$1,110,002</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Save American Medicine</td><td class="number">$1,000,200</td><td class="number">$935,250</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Americans for Jobs, Healthcare & Values</td><td class="number">$1,000,000</td><td class="number">$994,137</td><td> </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td>Democracy for America</td><td class="number">$899,500</td><td class="number">$603,771</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr><tr class="rowTint"><td>Arts PAC</td><td class="number">$898,622</td><td class="number">$191,711</td><td class="center">X</td><td> </td></tr></tbody></table>

 

[Willie99]

http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtes.php?level=C&cycle=2004

According to OpenSecrets.org

the Top four 527s from 2004 were all Democratic supporters. They spent more than 250 millions dollars supporting Democrats.

So when one argues there was more money spent by the Democrats than the Republicans in 2004, that's a stone cold lock of a fact. There is no room for dispute.

 

[punter]

Somehow I missed the swift boat veterans.

 

[Relentless]

the republicans are in full out whine mode.

bunch of whiny little girls. lose with some class will ya.

 

[Willie99]

Somehow I missed the swift boat veterans.

They're number 6 on this list

 

[Willie99]

the republicans are in full out whine mode.

bunch of whiny little girls. lose with some class will ya.

There was a discussion in another thread about who spent more money in 2004. Your boys argued the Republicans did since Bush spent more than Kerry. I argued the difference in third party money, read 527s, dwarfed the difference between the two candidates.

Whining has nothing to do with it, just correcting more lefty inaccuracies.

If you can find a complaint by me, please do point it out. Thank you

 

[punter]

Oh! I missed it because it said a group of conservative veterans rather than a group of billionaire Republicans.

 

[Risk44]

the republicans are in full out whine mode.

bunch of whiny little girls. lose with some class will ya.

Coukdnt have said it better myself..

 

[Willie99]

Oh! I missed it because it said a group of conservative veterans rather than a group of billionaire Republicans.

:lolBIG:

and I thought it said "Swift Vets and POW's for Truth"hno:

 

[Willie99]

Coukdnt have said it better myself..

we do need an "over the head" emoticon around here.

 

[BetIt]

My comments here

a) Candidate money is worth more because you get discounted ad rates & control the message.

b) Party money is worth the next most....because at least they share the same message for the most part

c) A lot of these 527's on the Dems side were borderline retarded in their spending. They absolutely pissed away money...some were jokes. So many different messages....different ideas.....no consistency in message or medium...this is generally the norm on the left.

Too much money spread around...Obama stopped that for the most part and seems to be in control of most of it. His dollar is probably worth 1.25 of McCain's because he gets to control the whole message and spending. As a candidate unless I'm controlling the message...the money is almost meaningless because you're counting on the effectiveness of someone else....some are effective though (Swift Boats, etc)...but too much unknown to depend on it.

 

[cussin'it]

Whose taking all the PAC money?

 

[Mistermj]

http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtes.php?level=C&cycle=2004

According to OpenSecrets.org

the Top four 527s from 2004 were all Democratic supporters. They spent more than 250 millions dollars supporting Democrats.

So when one argues there was more money spent by the Democrats than the Republicans in 2004, that's a stone cold lock of a fact. There is no room for dispute.

Fighting lefty ignorance with facts...it's a never ending battle.

Now lets hear all the "yeah buts"...