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As recession fears cause the nation to embrace greater state control of the economy and unimaginable federal deficits, one searches in vain for debate worthy of the moment. Where there should be an historic clash of ideas, there is only blind resignation and an amorphous queasiness that we are simply sweeping the slouching beast under the rug.

With faith in the free markets now taking a back seat to fear and expediency, nearly the entire political spectrum agrees that the federal government must spend whatever amount is necessary to stabilize the housing market, bail out financial firms, liquefy the credit markets, create jobs and make the recession as shallow and brief as possible. The few who maintain free-market views have been largely marginalized.

Taking the theories of economist John Maynard Keynes as gospel, our most highly respected contemporary economists imagine a complex world in which economics at the personal, corporate and municipal levels are governed by laws far different from those in effect at the national level.

Individuals, companies or cities with heavy debt and shrinking revenues instinctively know that they must reduce spending, tighten their belts, pay down debt and live within their means. But it is axiomatic in Keynesianism that national governments can create and sustain economic activity by injecting printed money into the financial system. In their view, absent the stimuli of the New Deal and World War II, the Depression would never have ended.

On a gut level, we have a hard time with this concept. There is a vague sense of smoke and mirrors, of something being magically created out of nothing. But economics, we are told, is complicated.

It would be irresponsible in the extreme for an individual to forestall a personal recession by taking out newer, bigger loans when the old loans can't be repaid. However, this is precisely what we are planning on a national level.

I believe these ideas hold sway largely because they promise happy, pain-free solutions. They are the economic equivalent of miracle weight-loss programs that require no dieting or exercise. The theories permit economists to claim mystic wisdom, governments to pretend that they have the power to dispel hardship with the whir of a printing press, and voters to believe that they can have recovery without sacrifice.

As a follower of the Austrian School of economics I believe that market forces apply equally to people and nations. The problems we face collectively are no different from those we face individually. Belt tightening is required by all, including government.

Governments cannot create but merely redirect. When the government spends, the money has to come from somewhere. If the government doesn't have a surplus, then it must come from taxes. If taxes don't go up, then it must come from increased borrowing. If lenders won't lend, then it must come from the printing press, which is where all these bailouts are headed. But each additional dollar printed diminishes the value those already in circulation. Something cannot be effortlessly created from nothing.

Similarly, any jobs or other economic activity created by public-sector expansion merely comes at the expense of jobs lost in the private sector. And if the government chooses to save inefficient jobs in select private industries, more efficient jobs will be lost in others. As more factors of production come under government control, the more inefficient our entire economy becomes. Inefficiency lowers productivity, stifles competitiveness and lowers living standards.

If we look at government market interventions through this pragmatic lens, what can we expect from the coming avalanche of federal activism?

By borrowing more than it can ever pay back, the government will guarantee higher inflation for years to come, thereby diminishing the value of all that Americans have saved and acquired. For now the inflationary tide is being held back by the countervailing pressures of bursting asset bubbles in real estate and stocks, forced liquidations in commodities, and troubled retailers slashing prices to unload excess inventory. But when the dust settles, trillions of new dollars will remain, chasing a diminished supply of goods. We will be left with 1970s-style stagflation, only with a much sharper contraction and significantly higher inflation.

The good news is that economics is not all that complicated. The bad news is that our economy is broken and there is nothing the government can do to fix it. However, the free market does have a cure: it's called a recession, and it's not fun, easy or quick. But if we put our faith in the power of government to make the pain go away, we will live with the consequences for generations.

Mr. Schiff is president of Euro Pacific Capital and author of "The Little Book of Bull Moves in Bear Markets"
 

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obviously there is no cure to this recession/coming depression

i'm not sure if schiff realizes it

but the bottom line is if the government and fed and central banks don't continue to act aggressively

fiat could fail and the whole global economic ponzi scheme could collapse basically the armageddon scenerio where its pure chaos and we all start over at zero essentially

all they doing for the most part is ensuring that faith stays okay in the credit markets, and the banks, and fiat currency

as long as they do that we will experience deflation till things get operating again under normal operating conditions and the system undergoes its flushing out process.....a process that will likely take many more years to complete

on the back end yes we could see inflation no doubt

the problem with the gold bug hyperinflationists like shiff is they continue to think economically in their own little world rather than how it applies to the keneysian system where 99% of the world population doesn't understand fiat money, how our economic system operates, and the fact that it is one big ponzi scheme based on faith that will inevitably fail at some point, all fiat has failed throughout the history of world economies

as long as faith is maintained the beat goes on and the hyperinflationists are left scratching their heads
 

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obviously there is no cure to this recession/coming depression

i'm not sure if schiff realizes it

but the bottom line is if the government and fed and central banks don't continue to act aggressively

fiat could fail and the whole global economic ponzi scheme could collapse basically the armageddon scenerio where its pure chaos and we all start over at zero essentially

all they doing for the most part is ensuring that faith stays okay in the credit markets, and the banks, and fiat currency

as long as they do that we will experience deflation till things get operating again under normal operating conditions and the system undergoes its flushing out process.....a process that will likely take many more years to complete

on the back end yes we could see inflation no doubt

the problem with the gold bug hyperinflationists like shiff is they continue to think economically in their own little world rather than how it applies to the keneysian system where 99% of the world population doesn't understand fiat money, how our economic system operates, and the fact that it is one big ponzi scheme based on faith that will inevitably fail at some point, all fiat has failed throughout the history of world economies

as long as faith is maintained the beat goes on and the hyperinflationists are left scratching their heads


Tizzy, you can't keep seeing things in black and white. Schiff is exactly right - massive government cash infusions of the kind Obama and virtually every other politician is promising will destroy the economy in the long term far more than any relatively short-term recession or depression would. But if fiscal and monetary policy were managed responsibly, and the American people were willing to accept some short term pain and a reduced standard of living (commensurate with what we produce), we would eventually come out of this thing with our monetary system intact.
 

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i don't disagree with you on that government always sucks as far as how they spend their money

i'm a hyper fiscal conservative kook after all

my point is they have no other choice if they want to avert the armaggedon scenerio

why do you think FDR had to confiscate gold back in the day when we were on a gold standard?

it was under stress and could have collapsed as there wasn't enough gold in the vaults to back up the imploding debt....because they fixed gold prices and created vast amount of unsustainable/bad/won't be paid back debt.....

bottom line the lehman failure which led to AIG takeover and ultimately forced the 700 billion dollar bailout was the beginning of the ponzi scheme collapse even after that the fed and central banks worldwide had to pull out their playbook and do everything and anything to jolt the credit markets back to life.....

they had to spend on bad investments to save it they've done that for now....nobody worried about bank runs and that sort of shit anymore

now they have to continue to work to save the faith in the economy in general....

if government steps back and says you know what let private investment collapse we aren't gonna combat it some with government spending

UE is gonna go to 30% deal with it people

people will lose faith in the economic system and government and there there will be civil unrest gold hoarding bank run mania and the ponzi scheme will be under stress and could collapse

the only way the #1 economy by far in the world "hyperinflates" is if the ponzi scheme collapses meaning fiat dollars become worthless as many people no longer believe in the system anymore and no longer and wants to participate in it by paying taxes and buying government treasuries
 
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i don't disagree with you on that government always sucks as far as how they spend their money

i'm a hyper fiscal conservative kook after all

my point is they have no other choice if they want to avert the armaggedon scenerio

bottom line the lehman failure which led to AIG takeover and ultimately forced the 700 billion dollar bailout was the beginning of the ponzi scheme collapse even after that the fed and central banks worldwide had to pull out their playbook and do everything and anything to jolt the credit markets back to life.....

they had to spend on bad investments to save it they've done that for now....nobody worried about bank runs and that sort of shit anymore

now they have to continue to work to save the faith in the economy in general....

if government steps back and says you know what let private investment collapse we aren't gonna combat it some with government spending

UE is gonna go to 30% deal with it people

people will lose faith in the economic system and government and there there will be civil unrest gold hoarding bank run mania and the ponzi scheme will be under stress and could collapse

the only way the #1 economy by far in the world "hyperinflates" is if the ponzi scheme collapses meaning fiat dollars become worthless as many people no longer believe in the system anymore and no longer and wants to participate in it by paying taxes and buying government treasuries

I don't disagree that there needs to be some Govt infusion to prevent deflation and massive contraction. I actually like Obama's plan to invest in the country's infrastructure. But at $1 trillion deficit a year for at least "several" years, I don't see how the eventual collapse of the dollar is avoidable. There are no free boat rides.
 

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of course its unavoidable like i said all fiat eventually fails its just a matter of when :drink:

and the USD is the gold standard of fiat currencies so if the dollar goes under the whole global economy goes poof along with it

they'll have to worry about deficits and that sort of crap down the road (many years from now on the back end of the recession/depression) no doubt

for the time being they are in save the system mode making sure they don't have to deal with massive hoards of homeless hungry rioting UEd J6Ps
 

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of course its unavoidable like i said all fiat eventually fails its just a matter of when :drink:

and the USD is the gold standard of fiat currencies so if the dollar goes under the whole global economy goes poof along with it

they'll have to worry about deficits and that sort of crap down the road (many years from now on the back end of the recession/depression) no doubt

for the time being they are in save the system mode making sure they don't have to deal with massive hoards of homeless hungry rioting UEd J6Ps

Tiz, Tiz, Tiz.... It's not the fiat system that's the problem. It's the self-serving incompetents who have managed our Government fiscal policy for the past 40 years (primarily the Congress) and the loose money policies of certain Fed chairmen (at the behest of certain Presidents) that are the problem.

Obviously, we can't let the system collapse to the point where there are massive hoards of homeless hungry (nice alliteration btw) roaming the countryside. But it would be nice if a politician would just once tell the American people the truth - that sacrifice is needed NOW by ALL of us to prevent a complete and irreparable meltdown.
 

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people "sacrificing" whether they like it or not

as they got less fiat (investments....errr....legalized gambling loses on the casino called the stock market, wages) or availability of fiat (credit) than they had in recent past all that taking care of on its own

fiat always will inevitably lead to mismanagement, socialism, statism, and more government over the long haul

just comes with the territory

anyway will be interesting to see how it all plays out

my probability meter says the chances of this downturn being called the 2nd global great depression by the history books is in the vicinity of 80% irregardless of what they do or don't do.....

as for how it will play out as far as world events go is anyones guess and too chaotic to predict

but lets just say the comfortable plush complacent liberal american lifestyle is coming to an end
 
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When the economy suffers to a great extent people will always look for who caused the collapse. Sometimes they get it right. Sometimes they don't.
 

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everybody to blame overall

government
federal reserve
monetary policy
banks
poorly run auto companies
poorly run "insurance" companies
unions
mortgage guys
J6P that took out no money down loans and tapped their home equity to buy SUVs and lots of chinese gadgets and thought it would last forever

nobody really immune to the blame other than the fiscal conservatives like me that sat there spending within their means taking on little to no debt leading up to the inevitable day of doom warning anybody they could this is gonna end badly

my point though is the root cause that ALLOWS all of the above to do the stuff they did that inevitably leads to our demise is the central banking system, federal reserve, and fiat money

without them government can't spend beyond their means

banks don't have somebody holding their hand saying if you lend poorly we'll clean it all up

auto makers, insurers like AIG, and unions can't run to big government yelling save me after decades of unsustainable business mismanagement

and J6P never is able to gain access to 0% no money down loans and things of that nature and anybody with a pulse is able to gain access to major credit card debt
 
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