Theory: NeoCons are taking Bush down, will turn NeoLiberal

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Big stretch? Not really. The three biggest Neocon writers, Irving Kristol, William Kristol and Robert Kagan, have all said they could easily flip to NeoLiberal.

This move isn't dramatic for two very big reasons:

1. NeoConservatives never were "conservative"
2. NeoLiberals share a hawkish loyalty to Israel with the predominanty-Jewish Neocons

Kristol the younger, in an interview to the NYT last month:

“If we have to make common cause with the more hawkish liberals and fight the conservatives, that is fine with me,” William Kristol has told the New York Times. The Weekly Standard editor added that the neoconservatives may just abandon the Right altogether and convert to neoliberalism. Alluding to his father Irving's definition of a neoconservative as a liberal who has been mugged by reality, Kristol describes a neoliberal as a “neoconservative who has been mugged by reality in Iraq.”

http://www.cornellamerican.com/May2004-wheretheycame.html

(It is important to understand that neoconservatism has never had loyalty to any one party in the US, or to the US itself, for that matter. At play here is an interesting combination of individual egomania and the pursuit of unwavering protection for Israel -- the US happens to offer them both. They are not patriots in the true sense of the word. They are opportunists.)

Both Kerry and Edwards have expressed extreme support for Israel (Kerry has gone so far as to say he has "100% of the time, not 99%, but 100%" supported Israel.)

Keep an eye on the guys behind the scene: Feith, Libby, Abrams, Rove, Perle, Kristol, Kagan, maybe Wolfowitz ... even Lieberman. Rumsfeld won't survive this -- he is their lamb. All neocons will flip to the side that will guarantee them power and the war (US and Israel vs. the ME) that they want. So, even if Bush loses, there is no guarantee these guys will go away. With Kerry, and an impending Israeli attack on Iran (orchestrated in part by the Pentagon and the sale of 500 bunker-busters to Israel) and the resulting Iranian retaliatory attack on US troops in Iraq, the Neocons can see their agenda through.

Did you see that picture in the Sportsbook forum of Bush with the 'bulge under his jacket'? If Rove or someone were indeed coaching him through the debate, they did a terrible job. So terrible, in fact, that I suspect it's intentional. After all, they built Bush up, they can tear him down, too.

Just a theory.

 

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Adding: if Israel hits Iran before the November election (the bunker-busters from the US are reported to be arriving on Nov 3) then ignore all of this. Such a move would practically guarantee Bush's re-election and eliminate any theories that the neocons were jumping ship.

 

[mjaytee]

This is truly a no choice election. In either case we will be a subsidiary of Israel.

 

[xpanda]

Absolutely, which is precisely why this pack of clowns don't care which side they take, as long as that side sides with Israel. They are more patriotic to a nation they don't even live in than their own.

Remarkable.

 

[Phaedrus]

Many of the progenitors of the neoconservative movement have their roots in the Trotskyite left. Naturally, most of their rabid followers on the ground totally deny this, but that is a pretty natural phenomenon I think -- to overlook any inconsistencies in one's religion, however glaring.


Phaedrus

 

[Muddy]

http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenealogy/a/jewpas_kerry.htm

 

[xpanda]

Many of the progenitors of the neoconservative movement have their roots in the Trotskyite left. Naturally, most of their rabid followers on the ground totally deny this, but that is a pretty natural phenomenon I think -- to overlook any inconsistencies in one's religion, however glaring.


Phaedrus

In his book, Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea, Kristol the Elder comments ever-so-briefly on his soiree with the Trostkyites, stating that while he doesn't espouse their vision, he is glad for having frolicked with them. Seems this is where many of his political connections began. The essay in which this passage falls, however, is revisionist in nature, written as a preface to the book in general, in the '90s. I find it comical that he'll touch on the subject, in large part I suspect to 'prove' his distance to Stalinism, yet dismiss it as though it were ineffectual to his political development.

I do believe, however, that they have infinitely more in common with Machiavelli and Strauss than they do with Trotsky. They aren't exactly 'of the people', after all.

A common characteristic among these men (for they are largely men) is to sway with the wind ... where the power can be seized, so shall they follow.

 

[xpanda]

http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenealogy/a/jewpas_kerry.htm

To be sure, merely being Jewish does not automatically make one inclined to favour Israel (at all costs) as Neocons do. I read a statistic that claimed 85% of American Jews voted Democrat, yet roughly half of the current Neoconservative movement is made up of Jews. Disproportionate to say the least.

Too bad our PC-ness and collective Holocaust guilt prevents us from talking about it.

 

[eek.]

I don't think that Israel will touch Iran.

Iran is on the US agenda and UN sanctions are the first phase.
The bunker busters are a bluff as far as Iran is concerned.

Israel would complicate things too much at this point in time, it would get way too messy.
Plus the US has an entire army camped next door to Iran.
Plus Israeli planes would have to pass through Iraqi, Syrian, Turkish or Saudi airspace to get at Iranian targets.


Everyone has their best poker face on at the moment.

 

[eek.]

A bit of light reading for you honey-pie. x
http://www.bilderberg.org/2004.htm

 

[xpanda]

A bit of light reading for you honey-pie. x
http://www.bilderberg.org/2004.htm

The Free Trade Area of the Americas should be enacted and include the entire Western Hemisphere except for Cuba until Fidel Castro is gone. It should then evolve into the "American Union" as a carbon copy of the European Union.

You'll let me come live with you in Scotland if this happens, right??

On an Israeli attack on Iran: there are apparently several subs that have moved into the Caspian Sea and have a striking distance enough to hit the nulcear sites. There are also 500 bunker busters set to arrive from the US in Israel right after the election. Dot connection, I suppose.

Should Kerry win the presidency, I have little doubt that Iran will be dealt with through UN or multilateral sanctions as was Iraq in the '90s. The Might Makes Right crowd at home oughtta love that.