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From Aug 12 Wall Street Journal online comes some interesting and fairly sensible observations from the co-founder and current CEO of Whole Foods Markets

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html
The Whole Foods Alternative to ObamaCare



With a projected $1.8 trillion deficit for 2009, several trillions more in deficits projected over the next decade, and with both Medicare and Social Security entitlement spending about to ratchet up several notches over the next 15 years as Baby Boomers become eligible for both, we are rapidly running out of other people’s money. These deficits are simply not sustainable. They are either going to result in unprecedented new taxes and inflation, or they will bankrupt us.


While we clearly need health-care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health-care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and move us much closer to a government takeover of our health-care system. Instead, we should be trying to achieve reforms by moving in the opposite direction—toward less government control and more individual empowerment. Here are eight reforms that would greatly lower the cost of health care for everyone:


• Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs). The combination of high-deductible health insurance and HSAs is one solution that could solve many of our health-care problems. For example, Whole Foods Market pays 100% of the premiums for all our team members who work 30 hours or more per week (about 89% of all team members) for our high-deductible health-insurance plan. We also provide up to $1,800 per year in additional health-care dollars through deposits into employees’ Personal Wellness Accounts to spend as they choose on their own health and wellness.


Money not spent in one year rolls over to the next and grows over time. Our team members therefore spend their own health-care dollars until the annual deductible is covered (about $2,500) and the insurance plan kicks in. This creates incentives to spend the first $2,500 more carefully. Our plan’s costs are much lower than typical health insurance, while providing a very high degree of worker satisfaction.


• Equalize the tax laws so that that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. Now employer health insurance benefits are fully tax deductible, but individual health insurance is not. This is unfair.


• Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. We should all have the legal right to purchase health insurance from any insurance company in any state and we should be able use that insurance wherever we live. Health insurance should be portable.


• Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.


• Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. These costs are passed back to us through much higher prices for health care.


• Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost. How many people know the total cost of their last doctor’s visit and how that total breaks down? What other goods or services do we buy without knowing how much they will cost us?


• Enact Medicare reform. We need to face up to the actuarial fact that Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy and enact reforms that create greater patient empowerment, choice and responsibility.


• Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who have no insurance and aren’t covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.


Many promoters of health-care reform believe that people have an intrinsic ethical right to health care—to equal access to doctors, medicines and hospitals. While all of us empathize with those who are sick, how can we say that all people have more of an intrinsic right to health care than they have to food or shelter?


Health care is a service that we all need, but just like food and shelter it is best provided through voluntary and mutually beneficial market exchanges. A careful reading of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal any intrinsic right to health care, food or shelter. That’s because there isn’t any. This “right” has never existed in America


Even in countries like Canada and the U.K., there is no intrinsic right to health care. Rather, citizens in these countries are told by government bureaucrats what health-care treatments they are eligible to receive and when they can receive them. All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments.


Although Canada has a population smaller than California, 830,000 Canadians are currently waiting to be admitted to a hospital or to get treatment, according to a report last month in Investor’s Business Daily. In England, the waiting list is 1.8 million.


At Whole Foods we allow our team members to vote on what benefits they most want the company to fund. Our Canadian and British employees express their benefit preferences very clearly—they want supplemental health-care dollars that they can control and spend themselves without permission from their governments. Why would they want such additional health-care benefit dollars if they already have an “intrinsic right to health care”? The answer is clear—no such right truly exists in either Canada or the U.K.—or in any other country.


Rather than increase government spending and control, we need to address the root causes of poor health. This begins with the realization that every American adult is responsible for his or her own health.


Unfortunately many of our health-care problems are self-inflicted: two-thirds of Americans are now overweight and one-third are obese. Most of the diseases that kill us and account for about 70% of all health-care spending—heart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes and obesity—are mostly preventable through proper diet, exercise, not smoking, minimal alcohol consumption and other healthy lifestyle choices.


Recent scientific and medical evidence shows that a diet consisting of foods that are plant-based, nutrient dense and low-fat will help prevent and often reverse most degenerative diseases that kill us and are expensive to treat. We should be able to live largely disease-free lives until we are well into our 90s and even past 100 years of age.


Health-care reform is very important. Whatever reforms are enacted it is essential that they be financially responsible, and that we have the freedom to choose doctors and the health-care services that best suit our own unique set of lifestyle choices. We are all responsible for our own lives and our own health. We should take that responsibility very seriously and use our freedom to make wise lifestyle choices that will protect our health. Doing so will enrich our lives and will help create a vibrant and sustainable

American society.
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—Mr. Mackey is co-founder and CEO of Whole Foods Market Inc.</cite>
 

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now that's what I'm talking about, or something along those lines
 

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OK, I have to take a second look at who posted this one. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. There's no way Barman posted this. I've been posting the same thing ad-nauseum and had every far left poster start screaming how un-American I was....blah, blah, blah. Did you step to the other side Barman. I usually can only rely on Willie and a few others to be in my corner. I may actually walk around today with a smile on my face, knowing the only person that could possibly be against this is Punter. So what's the catch Barman. Don't expect me to let my guard down this easily. You must be up to something as this is straight from Ms. Pipes book that most posters here refuse to read.
 

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But before you pull a fast one on us Barman, allow me to post the link to Ms. Pipes book again for anyone that wants to take the time to get a better feel for what's going on and some real solutions to our Health Care problems. I know Punter won't read it but for some of you that are open minded, just go to the solutions page (I think it's like 146)

http://liberty.pacificresearch.org/docLib/20081020_Top_Ten_Myths.pdf
 

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BFL, were you to have No Life and did a careful review of my posts here within the Topics pertaining to "health care reform", I've actually not taken any specific stance as to The Answer.

Mainly because it's not a topic on which I'm very well versed. And it's challenging for me to sort through a lot of the public discussion of past six months.

A lot of the opposition I've heard or read seems very prejudiced immediately just because it's the Democratic majority in Congress and President Obama who are spearheading the past few months of policy discussion.

So while I can - in my own limited way - recognize many of the valid complaints and flaws in the ideas which have been getting the most run from the Dems and Obama, it's challenging to join in on too much of the criticism when many leading the complaint charge are also proclaiming - just a few months into his first term - that "Obama is the worst President in US history". That's such an absurd declaration at this point I've so far been much more inclined to try and respectfully stand aside and let the pro and anti-Obama/Dem forces yell at each other while I go about what for me is more important business.


All of the above noted, I did honestly find Mackey's presentation a good fit.

And that's meant as no disrespect to you or to anyone else who may have posted similar presentations - either in pasted form, or in linked form - during this past year. Quite simply, my interest in the topic was not sufficent to where I paid them much mind at those moments.
 

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BFL, were you to have No Life and did a careful review of my posts here within the Topics pertaining to "health care reform", I've actually not taken any specific stance as to The Answer.

Mainly because it's not a topic on which I'm very well versed. And it's challenging for me to sort through a lot of the public discussion of past six months.

A lot of the opposition I've heard or read seems very prejudiced immediately just because it's the Democratic majority in Congress and President Obama who are spearheading the past few months of policy discussion.

So while I can - in my own limited way - recognize many of the valid complaints and flaws in the ideas which have been getting the most run from the Dems and Obama, it's challenging to join in on too much of the criticism when many leading the complaint charge are also proclaiming - just a few months into his first term - that "Obama is the worst President in US history". That's such an absurd declaration at this point I've so far been much more inclined to try and respectfully stand aside and let the pro and anti-Obama/Dem forces yell at each other while I go about what for me is more important business.


All of the above noted, I did honestly find Mackey's presentation a good fit.

And that's meant as no disrespect to you or to anyone else who may have posted similar presentations - either in pasted form, or in linked form - during this past year. Quite simply, my interest in the topic was not sufficent to where I paid them much mind at those moments.

One word....AMAZING!
 

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barbanman, I have one problem with your followup response. Most of the criticism is not because we're playing politics as you suggest, that's how the story is being distorted by Obamacare supporters which include the enabling media. Most of the criticism as been detailed ad nauseam.

It increases costs, not deceases

It increases the deficit, not decreases

The proposals in Congress evolve into single payer plans, and Obama has said he believes a single payer plan is best, but democrats deny such

The proposals implement care restrictions by design and by necessity, democrats deny it

the proposals have to make is it worth it end of life decisions by design and by necessity, but democrats deny it

The existing health care in the USA is excellent, but democrats trash it

the overwhelming majority of Americans are happy with their existing health care services, but democrats misrepresent that fact

at the end of the day, covering more people, reducing costs, limiting income and limiting profits are all incompatible with improving health care quality. To believe such is naive.

the polls clearly show Americans do not want the existing proposed plans, but democrats are in denial

It's a very real grass roots concern swelling across this country, it's clearly reflected in the polling data, probably due to all the aforementioned facts, yet the democrats and their media cohorts misrepresent and actually attack such people.

It's astonishing how disingenuous, inaccurate & deceitful Obamacare proponents are. they are the biggest source of misinformation out there.

thankfully, the American people have too much common sense to let this bullshit pass "without debate".
 

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How about a "bump" on the house, Barman. I just want to make sure nobody missed this one.
 

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BM,

Just got back from Vietnam. Didn't see too many chubby folks this trip. Just a lot of smiling Socialist and happy tourists as the Dollar gets you 17,000 Commie Dongs.

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Dan, always good to see you drop by our humble PoliticoPub

If that's you in the latter pic, I've got a TB Rays ball cap that would look great on your dome. Stop by on next trip south and it's yours for a song.
 

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Gotta luv those there friendly, compassionate, caring liberals who be smarter than youz, you "Un-American racist".


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I plan to do a lot more shopping at Whole Foods in the coming weeks. Mostly in response to the moronic boycott of the store now gaining momentum on the left.
Let me see if I have the logic correct here: Whole Foods is consistently ranked among the most employee-friendly places to work in the service industry. In fact, Whole Foods treats employees a hell of a lot better than most liberal activist groups do. The company has strict environmental and humane animal treatment standards about how its food is grown and raised. The company buys local. The store near me is hosting a local tasting event for its regional vendors. Last I saw, the company’s lowest wage earners make $13.15 per hour. They also get to vote on what type of health insurance they want. And they all get health insurance. The company is also constantly raising money for various philanthropic causes. When I was there today, they were taking donations for a school lunch program. In short, Whole Foods is everything leftists talk about when they talk about “corporate responsibility.”
And yet lefties want to boycott the company because CEO John Mackey wrote an op-ed that suggests alternatives to single payer health care? It wasn’t even a nasty or mean-spirited op-ed. Mackey didn’t spread misinformation about death panels, call anyone names, or use ad hominem attacks. He put forth actual ideas and policy proposals, many of them tested and proven during his own experience running a large company. Is this really the state of debate on the left, now? “Agree with us, or we’ll crush you?”


http://www.theagitator.com/2009/08/15/whole-foods-2/

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I'll never understand that libby logic :think2:

oxymoron?
 

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good post barman

but to dan cmon you dont really think comparing vietnam has any real bearing on the complexities of the US
 

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good post barman

but to dan cmon you dont really think comparing vietnam has any real bearing on the complexities of the US

Romo,

Not comparing Vietnam to anything. I co-own 3 different businesses out of Nam. The people are hardworking and happy. The food is excellent and the beer is cheap. I have been going there since the 90's. It is a beautiful country and even more enjoyable now that nobody is shooting at me.

I went to the Socialist VA clinic today and got good service. Now I have to go to a Socialist VAMC for more tests. All of my Socialist SS checks were sent direct to 1 of my account in my absence. I don't qualify for Socialist Unemployment Insurance payments because I am self-employed. I guess the Gov doesn't screw up everything they touch.



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EDITED to remove that giant ass pic, Dan

If you can spot another on the web, send me the URL and I'll repaste it back into this thread using the IMG option.

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if having a 10 trillion dollar unrecorded pension liability is not screwing up, then they didn't screw up social security.

if people had 12.4% of their wages deposited into their bank, they not only would have more retirement income, they would own an asset. Never mind that 10 trillion dollars in debt stuff
 

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I went to the Socialist VA clinic today and got good service. Now I have to go to a Socialist VAMC for more tests. All of my Socialist SS checks were sent direct to 1 of my account in my absence.

I find this stunning because PoliticoPubster MisterMJ informed us a few months back that "the VA is broke" and "Social Security is broke".

:grandmais
 

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I find this stunning because PoliticoPubster MisterMJ informed us a few months back that "the VA is broke" and "Social Security is broke".

:grandmais

barbanman, the whole world knows that the Social Security System is beyond broke, it's a ponzi scheme that's 10 trillion dollars in the hole.

I can't speak for the VA, but that's a different animal. That was never intended to have a "trust fund".

I used to love that expression, "the social security trust fund". Nobody dares to speak those words anymore.
 

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barbanman, the whole world knows that the Social Security System is beyond broke, it's a ponzi scheme that's 10 trillion dollars in the hole.

I can't speak for the VA, but that's a different animal. That was never intended to have a "trust fund".

I used to love that expression, "the social security trust fund". Nobody dares to speak those words anymore.

I agree w/ you. The fund has been used for many doubious reasons and includes funds to people who never paid into it. The working young are paying for the old. Sometimes it pays to be old.

I remember taking a course in college called "Social Insurance." We have had many Socialist programs for many years. If you have ever drawn an Unemployment Insurance check because you lost your job through no fault of your own, then yes, you too are a hypocrite.
 

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Romo,

Not comparing Vietnam to anything. I co-own 3 different businesses out of Nam. The people are hardworking and happy. The food is excellent and the beer is cheap. I have been going there since the 90's. It is a beautiful country and even more enjoyable now that nobody is shooting at me.

I went to the Socialist VA clinic today and got good service. Now I have to go to a Socialist VAMC for more tests. All of my Socialist SS checks were sent direct to 1 of my account in my absence. I don't qualify for Socialist Unemployment Insurance payments because I am self-employed. I guess the Gov doesn't screw up everything they touch.



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EDITED to remove that giant ass pic, Dan

If you can spot another on the web, send me the URL and I'll repaste it back into this thread using the IMG option.

bar

Send me your mailing addy and I will send you a CD of my last trip if you want it.
 

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Hey that sounds good..PM en route
 

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