The Whole "Russia Interfered in the Election" Story is Quickly Collapsing

[Acebb]

To be clear, it is not a “fact” Russia meddled in the election. It is not proven, it is merely speculation that has been echoed loudly.

Note that the entire premise was put forth by CrowdStrike (the FBI used Crowdstrike’s report to conclude Russia “hacked the election”) and guess what?

WASHINGTON —
U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.

The CrowdStrike report was funded by the DNC.

Remember:

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated.”

 

[Acebb]

By the way, this whole ZOMG can you believe Trump said he was wiretapped?!? thing is blowing up in the Dems faces too

The U.S. intelligence official who “unmasked,” or exposed, the names of multiple private citizens affiliated with the Trump team is someone “very well known, very high up, very senior in the intelligence world,” a source told Fox News on Friday.

Intelligence and House sources with direct knowledge of the disclosure of classified names told Fox News that House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., now knows who is responsible -- and that person is not in the FBI.

For a private citizen to be “unmasked,” or named, in an intelligence report is extremely rare. Typically, the American is a suspect in a crime, is in danger or has to be named to explain the context of the report.

“The main issue in this case, is not only the unmasking of these names of private citizens, but the spreading of these names for political purposes that have nothing to do with national security or an investigation into Russia’s interference in the U.S. election,” a congressional source close to the investigation told Fox News.

 

[Acebb]

Our sources: "It had everything to do with hurting and embarrassing Trump and his team"


But Obama didn't install the wiretap you wingnutz!!!!


[FONT=&quot]To sum up, Team Obama was spying broadly on the incoming administration.[/FONT]

 

[919]

Yes, obviously collapsing. From the very link in your first post...assuming you didn't read it...

Cyber Firm Rewrites Part of Disputed Russian Hacking Report


March 24, 2017 8:31 PM

• Oleksiy Kuzmenko
• Pete Cobus

The original CrowdStrike report, dated Dec. 22, 2016, was revised and reposted on March 23, 2017. (Courtesy of CrowdStrike)


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WASHINGTON — U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.


In December, CrowdStrike said it found evidence that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, contributing to heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine's war with pro-Russian separatists.

VOA reported Tuesday that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which publishes an annual reference estimating the strength of world armed forces, disavowed the CrowdStrike report and said it had never been contacted by the company.

Ukraine's Ministry of Defense also has stated that the combat losses and hacking never happened.

Some see overblown allegations

CrowdStrike was first to link hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors last year, but some cybersecurity experts have questioned its evidence. The company has come under fire from some Republicans who say charges of Kremlin meddling in the election are overblown.

After CrowdStrike released its Ukraine report, company co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch claimed it provided added evidence of Russian election interference. In both hacks, he said, the company found malware used by "Fancy Bear," a group with ties to Russian intelligence agencies.

CrowdStrike's claims of heavy Ukrainian artillery losses were widely circulated in U.S. media.

On Thursday, CrowdStrike walked back key parts of its Ukraine report.

The company removed language that said Ukraine's artillery lost 80 percent of the Soviet-era D-30 howitzers, which used aiming software that purportedly was hacked. Instead, the revised report cites figures of 15 to 20 percent losses in combat operations, attributing the figures to IISS.

The original CrowdStrike report was dated Dec. 22, 2016, and the updated report was dated March 23, 2017.

The company also removed language saying Ukraine's howitzers suffered "the highest percentage of loss of any ... artillery pieces in Ukraine's arsenal."

WASHINGTON —
U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.

In December, CrowdStrike said it found evidence that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, contributing to heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine's war with pro-Russian separatists.

VOA reported Tuesday that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which publishes an annual reference estimating the strength of world armed forces, disavowed the CrowdStrike report and said it had never been contacted by the company.

Ukraine's Ministry of Defense also has stated that the combat losses and hacking never happened.

Some see overblown allegations

CrowdStrike was first to link hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors last year, but some cybersecurity experts have questioned its evidence.

The company has come under fire from some Republicans who say charges of Kremlin meddling in the election are overblown.

FILE - CrowdStrike co-founder and CTO Dmitri Alperovitch speaks during the Reuters Media and Technology Summit in New York, June 11, 2012.
After CrowdStrike released its Ukraine report, company co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch claimed it provided added evidence of Russian election interference.
In both hacks, he said, the company found malware used by "Fancy Bear," a group with ties to Russian intelligence agencies.

CrowdStrike's claims of heavy Ukrainian artillery losses were widely circulated in U.S. media.

On Thursday, CrowdStrike walked back key parts of its Ukraine report.

The company removed language that said Ukraine's artillery lost 80 percent of the Soviet-era D-30 howitzers, which used aiming software that purportedly was hacked. Instead, the revised report cites figures of 15 to 20 percent losses in combat operations, attributing the figures to IISS.

The original CrowdStrike report was dated Dec. 22, 2016, and the updated report was dated March 23, 2017.

The company also removed language saying Ukraine's howitzers suffered "the highest percentage of loss of any ... artillery pieces in Ukraine's arsenal."

FILE - Members of a rapid reaction unit of Ukraine’s National Guard stand in front of howitzers during a ceremony marking the first anniversary of its creation, in the village of Stare, 80 km east of Kyiv, Ukraine, June 2, 2016.
Finally, CrowdStrike deleted a statement saying "deployment of this malware-infected application may have contributed to the high-loss nature of this platform" — meaning the howitzers — and excised a link sourcing its IISS data to a blogger in Russia-occupied Crimea.

In an email, CrowdStrike spokeswoman Ilina Dmitrova said the new estimates of Ukrainian artillery losses resulted from conversations with Henry Boyd, an IISS research associate for defense and military analysis. She declined to say what prompted the contact.

CrowdStrike defends report

"This update does not in any way impact the core premise of the report that the FANCY BEAR threat actor implanted malware into a D-30 targeting application developed by a Ukrainian military officer," Dmitrova wrote.

Reached by VOA, the IISS confirmed providing CrowdStrike with new information about combat losses, but declined to comment on CrowdStrike's hacking assertions.

"We don't think the current version of the [CrowdStrike] report draws conclusions with regard to our data, other than quoting the clarification we provided to them," IISS told VOA.


Dmitrova noted that the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community have also concluded that Russia was behind the hacks of the Democratic National Committee, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the email account of John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager.

The release of embarrassing Democratic emails during last year's U.S. political campaign, and the subsequent finding by intelligence agencies that the hacks were meant to help then-candidate Donald Trump, have led to investigations by the FBI and intelligence committees in both the House and Senate.

Trump and White House officials have denied colluding with Russians.

 

[Willie99]

well Chuck Todd, Ralph Madcow, MSNBC, CNN, the HuffPost, the NYT, Chucky Scummer & the brilliant Nancy Pelosi all disagree with you

as do all those democrats protesting Trump's election by destroying their neighbors property

how can you doubt their integrity? such good and decent and balanced people

 

[919]

well Chuck Todd, Ralph Madcow, MSNBC, CNN, the HuffPost, the NYT, Chucky Scummer & the brilliant Nancy Pelosi all disagree with you

as do all those democrats protesting Trump's election by destroying their neighbors property

how can you doubt their integrity? such good and decent and balanced people

You forgot to mention the entire intelligence community along with democrats and republicans in the house and senate...but that doesn't fit your agenda so I understand why you leave them out

 

[Dave007inVegas]

You forgot to mention the entire intelligence community along with democrats and republicans in the house and senate...but that doesn't fit your agenda so I understand why you leave them out

I am skeptical that those 3 groups you mentioned have a clue about anything.

 

[bodyforlife]

In addition, he continues to focus on unproven allegations, but never seems to comment on the corruption of the DNC and how they rigged their own primary. Yep, not sure what to say about racist, anti-semitic comments about Bernie Sanders. It is amazing how the press falls in line and never talks about what was actually found (I personally think that is more the story). Apparently it never occurred to him had the Democratic party run a fair primary (and kept their own noses clean), their would be no story. And how convenient it is just to deflect from that now.

 

[919]

In addition, he continues to focus on unproven allegations, but never seems to comment on the corruption of the DNC and how they rigged their own primary. Yep, not sure what to say about racist, anti-semitic comments about Bernie Sanders. It is amazing how the press falls in line and never talks about what was actually found (I personally think that is more the story). Apparently it never occurred to him had the Democratic party run a fair primary (and kept their own noses clean), their would be no story. And how convenient it is just to deflect from that now.

I'm not sure if you mean me when you say him above, but I have no illusions about how corrupt many politicians are on both sides including hillary. There is no doubt in my mind that Bernie had no chance due to collusion with the dnc and some in the media. If there were crimes, by all means go after them.

Not sure how any of that would make Russia's involvement in the RNC's primary and general elections a "no story". Again, you and many others would undoubtedly be singing a different tune had the roles been reversed...

 

[919]

I am skeptical that those 3 groups you mentioned have a clue about anything.

Fair enough. But I give fair more credence to them than Trump and his off the rails twitter accusations.

 

[bodyforlife]

I'm not sure if you mean me when you say him above, but I have no illusions about how corrupt many politicians are on both sides including hillary. There is no doubt in my mind that Bernie had no chance due to collusion with the dnc and some in the media. If there were crimes, by all means go after them.

Not sure how any of that would make Russia's involvement in the RNC's primary and general elections a "no story". Again, you and many others would undoubtedly be singing a different tune had the roles been reversed...

Doubt that Boo. I'm not big on allegations regardless of party. You either have something or you don't. I say provide it or shut up. No one should be able to just do a witch hunt with no proof of anything. Sorry if that thought process bothers you.

 

[Willie99]

Doubt that Boo. I'm not big on allegations regardless of party. You either have something or you don't. I say provide it or shut up. No one should be able to just do a witch hunt with no proof of anything. Sorry if that thought process bothers you.

democrats don't have to provide substance, they don't have substance, but what they do have is a very large adoring flock

"RESIST"

 

[919]

democrats don't have to provide substance, they don't have substance, but what they do have is a very large adoring flock

"RESIST"

thats funny coming from someone who needs to read Trumps
daily tweets to know who the new boogie man is...chuck todd today

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

When will Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd and @NBCNews start talking about the Obama SURVEILLANCE SCANDAL and stop with the Fake Trump/Russia story?
8:43 AM - 1 Apr 2017

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http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=1082807

 

[919]

Doubt that Boo. I'm not big on allegations regardless of party. You either have something or you don't. I say provide it or shut up. No one should be able to just do a witch hunt with no proof of anything. Sorry if that thought process bothers you.

I'm not sure you understand how investigations work.

also, based your post, I'm sure you think the president is full of shit for not providing any evidence as to his claim that Obama illegally wiretapped him...or not

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Fair enough. But I give fair more credence to them than Trump and his off the rails twitter accusations.

I know you hate Trump. Almost as much as I hated Obama.

The thing is I got over it when I saw that Obama wasn't
capable of doing any real lasting harm to the country
although he did give it his best shot.

Will you ever get over Trump no matter what he does?

 

[bodyforlife]

I'm not sure you understand how investigations work.

also, based your post, I'm sure you think the president is full of shit for not providing any evidence as to his claim that Obama illegally wiretapped him...or not

Apparently in your mind, I can just accuse you of something with no facts whatsoever and insist on an investigation and that's hunky dory.

I've already told you where I stand on the 2nd part of your comment. No need to repeat myself.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I'm not sure you understand how investigations work.

also, based your post, I'm sure you think the president is full of shit for not providing any evidence as to his claim that Obama illegally wiretapped him...or not

I know this wasn't directed at me but if I may...

I know how they work. The Senate and House spend
exorbitant amounts of time and manpower telling
their constituents that they will get to the bottom
of something and hold the perpetrators responsible.

Funny thing is months turn into years and there are
never any results. They have figured out that the
average voter has a limited attention span so they
just wait for the next new allegation to surface and
start all over again.

Their entire existence revolves around wash, rinse, repeat
and of course their real and only goal which is to get reelected.

 

[GasMan]

You forgot to mention the entire intelligence community along with democrats and republicans in the house and senate...but that doesn't fit your agenda so I understand why you leave them out

Yo mean the sames ones who said Iraq had WMD

 

[SheriffJoe]

I'm calling it the 919 combo:

 

[festeringZit]

I know you hate Trump. Almost as much as I hated Obama.

The thing is I got over it when I saw that Obama wasn't
capable of doing any real lasting harm to the country
although he did give it his best shot.

Will you ever get over Trump no matter what he does?

That's where you are wrong Dave, Obama did profound damage to this country that will last for generations.