The VOTE was hacked... but hey who cares right?

[Stryker]

The VOTE was hacked... as exits polls proved that New Mexico, Florida, Nevada and Ohio 'should have' been Democrat blue.

Not by just a little mind you, but by a lot of blue.

A lesson in Political Science...

Exit polls are almost never wrong in predicting who wins an election and are perhaps THE SINGLE MOST VALUABLE TOOL that the United Nations and other NGO's have at their disposal for determining the validity of an election - ones that usually take place in some war-torn, newly democratized country i.e. Yugoslavia for example.

Exit polls are unique, in that they...

a) eliminate the non-voters from those who have actually voted
b) take place after the voting process is complete - thereby removing those polled who were undecided prior to the voting process
c) generally have 1 question i.e. "Who or What party did you vote for?" as opposed to the beforehand ambiguous garbage like "Who would you most like to have a bbq with?"

In the history of US exit polling then, there has maybe, MAYBE, been 1 or 2 instances where a county or riding result, did NOT match the corresponding exit poll.

Governments know this. Parties know this. The Media knows this. Most democratic countries KNOW THIS.

Therefore... and I want to be clear on this for all you dum hicks in the US (which I'm sad to say is most of you)...

IT'S A STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILTY FOR THE EXIT POLLS OF NOT ONE, BUT MULTIPLE US STATES TO HAVE BEEN INCORRECT.

Read and repeat to yourself...

A STATISTCAL IMPOSSIBLITY!!!

Not improbable... IMPOSSIBLE.

"So how could this happen?" - I hear you say.

Well.. gather close, because I'm going to let you in on a little secret.

The very states in question all have the following common denominator... Electronic Voting​

- via machines with PROVEN software deficiencies
- via machines that cast 10's of thousands of ghost votes ALWAYS in favor of the Republican candidate
- via machines made by companies with Republican ties
- via machines made by companies that made large Republican campaign contributions
- via machines made by companies (like Diebold) headquartered in one of the very states of contention (Ohio)
- via machines mandated for use by a Republican government
- via machines where looking at its source code has become a crime
- via machines in states like Florida and Ohio that are run by Republicans (the latter of course run by the incumbent's brother no less)

These same machines...

- have INCREDIBLY produced Republican winners in ridings where the registered vote % was 80/20 in favor of the Democratic opposition
- have INCREDIBLY produced Republican winners in ridings pre-dominately populated with immigrants and/or african-americans
- have INCREDIBLY produced Republican winners in ridings where more votes were counted then there are even people to vote them (in Florida alone, a combined grouping of counties has produced 10's of thousands more votes than eligible voters)
- have INCREDIBLY made the Media backtrack over their OWN COLLECTED DATA because the machines must be right and the humans wrong...

Right?

SO LISTEN UP AMERICA...

You have about a month to PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASS and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT before the Electoral College meets to cement this CRIME OF THE CENTURY.

IT'S GOING DOWN ON YOUR WATCH AND HISTORY WILL MOCK YOU FOREVER.

 

[RobFunk]

i watched the news. ive been looking at this. there will more than likely be a petition in ohio and there are a few well funded movements working dilligently on this. yet the kerry camp (why is there a 'kerry camp' if the elcetion is over?!) denies everything.

i deny everything too. bush is the victor.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Yep ...

Thank you Diebold and others ...

I had heard in the summer of 2003 Bush had allready cemented the deal with the 3 companies that were involved with software implementation in this election

Anyone with functioning brain matter should not find this hard to believe

 

[RobFunk]

doc, if it was on national news we havent heard the last of this. anything on the news is times 10 in real life. when i spoke of this last weekend i kind of scared myself and backed away from it, in retrospect i guess i was just ahead of time a few days. there is A LOT going on with this.

when its all said and done i hope bush still shows to be correct. it would be a total embarassment and a world wide media field day for years and years to come if otherwise. id rather slug out 4 than have watergate '04 pop up, in the era of the internet a breaking story like 'kerry won ohio, says recount' would leave teeth marks in our country so big i dont even want to think about it.

 

[docmercer--banned]

robfunk:

"Voting Machine Controversy", by Julie Carr Smyth, Cleveland Plain Dealer, August 28, 2003, reprinted in Common Dreams News Center. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm (also see AlterNet, http://www.alternet.org/election04oh/19624/) "COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is 'committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year'. The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election."

Can you imagine the audacity of the Chief Executive of a voting machine company boldly coming out to support President Bush in 2004, even going so far as to say that he and his Diebold Company are dedicated to delivering Ohio votes for Bush in 2004! A company who is manufacturing electronic voting machines should go to great lengths to protect their integrity of impartiality. After all, a voting machine is to be the unbiased instrument by which voters express their will, not the biased means by which one candidate, and his party, achieve a goal which is pre-determined!

This story just gets worse.

"O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington." (Ibid.)

 

[lander]

I will say this -- Bush is one stubbornly consistant bastard, even when it comes to stealing elections.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Dems need to hire Karl Rove & Company ...

they are THE BEST at playing nasty and doing whatever is necessary to get the job done ....

 

[TomKing]

All the stupid people voted for Bush. The religous that voted for Bush are wackos. All the poor people voted for a rich President. The election was STOLEN AGAIN. And tell me Denial isn't a river in Liberal, USA. You might notice that both houses of Congress are Republican also...and those election were fixed. Its all a fix isnt it?..............Who is dumb now?

 

[JinnRikki]

Karen Hughs came into bush sometime late Tue. afternoon and stated flatly that John Kerry was winning in a landslide. She was looking at exit polling.

 

[VOLTITAN]

Stryker,
So did us "hicks" actually vote for Kerry, but it got counted for Bush thereby not making us "dum(sic)hicks" or are we really dumb hicks that really voted for Bush? You obviously do not know the political history of the south. Long story short, the south used to be all democrat blue. It was the "working man's party" and was not socially liberal. Reagan was at one time a democrat. I can name dozens of former Democratic congressmen and senators that switched over to the Republicans because the Democrats moved so far left. Point being, many old registered democrats now vote Republican but have just never changed their registration and many southerners still vote democrat for local races etc...compare Bush's numbers in 2000 and 2004 and he got similar #'s against Gore in the FLA panhandle. If Republicans had that much power why didn't we "rig" more states.

This is from David Shuster at MSNBC's Hardblogger
• November 9, 2004| 5:34 p.m. ET

Election machines rigged... or not? (David Shuster)


Florida: Out of the sunshine state's 67 counties, 52 tallied their vote using paper ballots that were optically scanned by machines produced by the Diebold Corporation, the Sequoia Company, or Election Systems and Software.

In 5 counties where Democrats comprise at least 70% of the registered voters (Baker,Holmes, Dixie, Lafayette, and Liberty) President Bush won the county's raw vote total by a landslide. At first glance, the numbers seem awfully strange. But take a look at the 2004 numbers compared to 2000.

Baker County '00: Bush 5,610 Gore 2,392
Baker County '04: Bush 7,738 Kerry 2,180

Holmes County '00: Bush 5,011 Gore 2,177
Holmes County '04: Bush 6, 410 Kerry 1,810

Dixie County '00: Bush 2,697 Gore 1,826
Dixie County '04: Bush 4,433 Kerry 1,959

Lafayette County '00: Bush 1,670 Gore 789
Lafayette County '04: Bush 2,460 Kerry 845

Liberty County '00: Bush 1,317 Gore 1,017
Liberty County '04: Bush 1,927 Kerry 1,070

Each of these counties is in northern Florida where there are large numbers of "Dixiecrats." In other words, the voters have a lengthy tradition of being registered as Democrats but voting for Republicans in national elections.

What about other Florida counties? Across the state, the election results from '04 are not that different from '00. And political strategists on both sides say the Bush-Cheney campaign had an unprecedented Get Out The Vote effort this time around. That ground operation focused heavily on evangelical Christians concerned about "gay marriage." Yes, gay marriage was on the ballot in Florida... and it attracted a huge number of Evangelicals to the polls who stayed home four years ago. In my view, it's not unreasonable to think the Bush-Cheney campaign would have increased their Florida vote total by the number's I've examined. However, I acknowledge that some of you may be saying, "well, the optical scanning machines in these counties must have been rigged 4 years ago."

Later this week, I'll examine the numbers from four years ago and try to compare them to previous elections.

 

[RobFunk]

1.All the stupid people voted for Bush.
pretty much

2. The religous that voted for Bush are wackos.
if relegion was the sole factor, you are 2-2

3.All the poor people voted for a rich President.
see #1

4.The election was STOLEN AGAIN.
there is a chance. never say never let's see what happens

5.And tell me Denial isn't a river in Liberal, USA.
not the case, we want what's just and what makes sense. call us leftys were not libs. thats some ann coultier non sense. your own state is run by conservative dems.

6.You might notice that both houses of Congress are Republican also...and those election were fixed. Its all a fix isnt it?..............Who is dumb now?
the rags to riches blueprint through stupidity was never more apparent, they are just following suit. god bless them. once some one takes the house and says 'guess what you have to work now'. I would imagine that would change. I saw a guy run for state rep as a republican in my own town, and had absolutely nothing to offer other than he had a lot of money and (specutively) was looking to abuse the system for personal benefit. but in mass those types get called out quick. please go google dave nault the 3:1 land slide loser with the flashy web site who lost to dem conservative jen flanagan with the geo city type site

 

[docmercer--banned]

Boys:

Something big went down on November 2nd ...

Then again why is this shocking when ya look at Bush's / Cheney's record in business dealings when they were civilians??

Hell, Daddy Bush was out "of the loop" he claimed on the Iran - Contra scandal even though he was ex Head of the CIA & current VP under Reagan???

The govt killed Kennedy .. they stole the election on Nov 2nd

 

[JinnRikki]

Volitan your are correct the south was Democratic until LBJ. When LBJ commited the unpardonable sin of civil rights for minorities (blacks) the south revolted and ran to the right where most still believe bush will bring back those good 'ol 50's values.... white men RULE. :toothless

 

[eek.]

The stuff I looked at was in Ohio, I thought Ohio was a lock for Kerry.

I seriously believed that there was a probability of fraud in Ohio and Florida.

However, 70% of the Ohio vote was on the old punchcard system (2000 election system) (confirmed via the overseas election monitors) and of the remaining 18 to 20 counties with computerised systems I concentrated on 4 Diebold system counties at random.
2 were Bush and 2 were Kerry (one was something like 68% Kerry)

So Ohio looked sound to me, and was

2,794,329 Bush 51%
2,658,108 Kerry 48.5%

Florida was 52.1%/47.1%
I believed that the Florida vote would be a lot closer than Ohio, so if Ohio was a Kerry loss, Florida would be a bigger loss.

After the result, I believe I suffered from a bout of cognitive dissonance, I would also burst out laughing for no apparent reason.
My cognitive dissonance is now cured, but I can't stop chuckling. :coffeetim

 

[WildBill]

I just find it rather ironic that the Wall Street Journal was going on and on about how Chavez stole the election with voting machines, they claimed they had a lot of proof of it. But when it came time to use the voting machines at home, they didn't say a peep about the possiblity of cheating with them. Not a peep before or after the election. How is that for hypocrisy?

 

[charleslanger]

Very few Dumbocrats have ever & willl ever win the White House--the only times they've succeeded is when an individual Republican has performed so miserably as to also taint his party colleagues--- & historically, with the exception of FDR, these instances have been temporary & often very brief-- as most 'Dumbo's haven't even been able to achieve a second term: thus quickly returning the Republican Party back into power.

This is not coincidental, there are very concrete reasons for this. It's only natural that a nation of self-reliant pioneers, entrepreneurs, & work-to-pay-their-way-thru-college graduates...... would fail to vote for a Socialist, Welfare-State, Anti-Intellect Party.

Would anyone reasonably expect a typical married, self-reliant couple-- likely descended from immigrants fleeing failed Socialism-- who've pulled themselves out of poverty by their bootstraps: with sheer sweat & determination-- starting their own business, store, company from scratch & making it successful...while somehow finding the time to start & raise a family....producing responsible, hard-working children who probably spent most of their spare time helping with the family business & striving to earn sufficiently good grades in school to gain admittance to a good college? Would anyone reasonably expect this couple to vote for a party that will now punish their success by taxing them to give to those too who have lacked the drive & wherewithall to succeed? To vote for a party that may now attempt to hold back their children by institituting admission quotas in order to guarantee a place for their lazier fellow schoolmates who chose to spend their spare time playing & partying?

I say just the opposite: if more elections had ended in the Dumbocrats favor, then there'd be grounds for suspecting some serious rigging had been going on. Wouldn't make any sense otherwise.......

 

[lander]

I just find it rather ironic that the Wall Street Journal was going on and on about how Chavez stole the election with voting machines, they claimed they had a lot of proof of it. But when it came time to use the voting machines at home, they didn't say a peep about the possiblity of cheating with them. Not a peep before or after the election. How is that for hypocrisy?

Bill,
I was on an elevator in Midtown the other day and it was ful of Venezulans chanting "viva Chavez!" ... I wussed out and didn't ask them about the voting machines -- they looked too militant and numerous.

On a related note, how long do you think it will be before dum dum adds them to the 'Axis of Evil'? Too much oil, but then again Bush might have a soft spot for election stealers.

 

[TomKing]

Well if you are correct the Dems will never win an election again...think of all the lies, newspaper ink, and money you will save.

 

[Stryker]

Impressive... The responses were well thought out indeed - Thank you.

Again, before reading on...

EXIT POLLS HANDED KERRY FLORIDA, OHIO, NEW MEXICO AND OTHERS...

VOLT: Here's some numbers from the 'dixiecrat' counties you brought up.

Baker
Registered % of voters: REP approx 24% DEM approx 69%
Expected return: REP 2400 DEM 6895
Actual return: REP 7739 DEM 2180
FlipFlop: +220% for REP -68% for DEM

Holmes
Registered % of voters: REP approx 21% DEM approx 72%
Expected return: REP 1771 DEM 6036
Actual return: REP 6410 DEM 1810
FlipFlop: +261% for REP -70% for DEM

Dixie
Registered % of voters: REP approx 15% DEM approx 77%
Expected return: REP 968 DEM 4988
Actual return: REP 4433 DEM 1959
FlipFlop: +358% for REP -60% for DEM

Lafayette
Registered % of voters: REP approx 13% DEM approx 82%
Expected return: REP 440 DEM 2755
Actual return: REP 2460 DEM 845
FlipFlop: +459% for REP -69% for DEM

Liberty
Registered % of voters: REP approx 7% DEM approx 83%
Expected return: REP 237 DEM 2667
Actual return: REP 1927 DEM 1070
FlipFlop: +712% for REP -59% for DEM

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VOLT: You're correct, I do not know the south's political history.

However, if you're the teacher then, I'm being taught that 1000's of people haven't bothered to change (and maybe you're not allowed) their designated party of support in over 2 DECADES despite the multitude of presidential elections hence (including Florida's debacle last year) and despite what must have been armies of 'get out the vote' DEM and REP door knockers.

Jeb should probably change the name of some of these counties too i.e. Liberty, as apparently no one has moved in or out of them since Regan's time.

VOLT: Why didn't the REPs fix more states?

ANSWER: Didn't need too. The battleground states were all that mattered i.e. OHIO, FLORIDA, NEW MEXICO, etc.

Why take chances in non-REP run states without the nifty new REP machines??? I mean come on... there's cheating and then there's REALLY CHEATING.

Of course Americans EXPECT Bush to cheat - he has in the past, he will in the future. You guys think it's cute.

REALLY CHEATING though... the blatant, HOLLY SH** the guy's CHEATING cheating... we can go back to 2000 for a sample

Excerpted from the current (November) issue of Harper's Magazine


To understand the fiasco in progress in Florida, we need to revisit the 2000 model, starting with a lesson from Dick Carlberg, acting elections supervisor in Duval County until this week. "Some voters are strange," Carlberg told me recently. He was attempting to explain why, in the last presidential election, five thousand Duvalians trudged to the polls and, having arrived there, voted for no one for president. Carlberg did concede that, after he ran these punch cards through the counting machines a second time, some partly punched holes shook loose, gaining Al Gore160 votes or so, Bush roughly 80.

"So, if you ran the 'blank' ballots through a few more times, we'd have a different president," I noted. Carlberg, a Republican, answered with a grin. So it was throughout the state - in certain precincts, at least. In Jacksonville, for example, in Duval precincts 7 through 10, nearly one in five ballots, or 11,200 votes in all, went uncounted, rejected as either an 'under-vote' (a blank ballot) or 'over-vote' (a ballot with extra markings). In those precincts, 72 percent of the residents are African-American; ballots that did make the count went four to one for Al Gore. All in all, a staggering 179,855 votes were "spoiled" (i.e., cast but not counted) in the 2000 election in Florida. Demographers from the U.S. Civil Rights Commission matched the ballots with census stats and estimated that 54 percent of all the under- and over-voted ballots had been cast by blacks, for whom the likelihood of having a vote discarded exceeded that of a white voter by 900 percent.

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You can't run a McDonald's with a C average but not to worry... you can always run the United States.

 

[JudgeWapner]

Nothing would surprise me.