The TRUTH ABOUT STEM CELL RESEARCH

[mr73551]

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The hucksters have pitched their tent on the edge of town.

They’ve got something we all need to see. Shills have been planted in the crowd, false testimony at the ready. All they need now are some suckers… err customers to believe.

Step right up. Buy your snake oil.

The cure for Cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, HIV…just vote a certain way and give away your money.

Cruel and evil, are the only words capable of describing people who are trying to profit by the suffering of others.

Stem Cell research is on the verge of curing every disease known to man, if one believes the mainstream news media.

The debate has now transcended the boundaries of science and has entered the realm of political idiocy and capitalist profiteering.

As the media continues to tell us of the promise of stem cell research, the doctors who actually conducted the studies are telling us a far different story, but no one cares to listen.

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"To start with, people need a fairy tale," said Ronald D.G. McKay, a stem cell researcher at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. "Maybe that's unfair, but they need a story line that's relatively simple to understand."

“I think the chance of doing repairs to Alzheimer's brains by putting in stem cells is small," said stem cell researcher Michael Shelanski, co-director of the Taub Institute for Research on Alzheimer's Disease and the Aging Brain at the Columbia University Medical Center in New York, echoing many other experts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29561-2004Jun9.html

Dr. Stanley Fahn, the doctor who conducted the original study on human subjects, had this to say after his patients started developing brain tumors and dying…

We did not anticipate these "runaway dyskinesias," and if I knew they were going to occur, I would not have done the study. Until we can figure out how to prevent or control them in animal studies, I can't recommend this procedure."

Older patients did not show significant improvement. "Freezing and gait did not improve, and if anything, they got worse in older patients," Fahn said. Two thirds of operated patients, but no sham patients, showed improved PET scans of the putamen, which was correlated with motor improvements in young, but not old, patients. Acute significant adverse events were statistically significantly higher in operated patients, but not related to the procedure, according to Fahn.

http://www.wemove.org/emove/article.asp?ID=222

That’s a cure?

“Acute significant adverse events”…. What nice way to describe tumors, cancer and death.

“but not related to the procedure, according to Fahn”. Really? I wonder what were they related to?

Dr. Fahn’s “research” would make any NAZI proud.

First he mutilates a number of “sham” patients just so he can see what happens.
Then when his patients’ condition started deteriorating, he cancels the study.

Nonetheless, his disastrous results on humans have been duplicated numerous times in studies performed on lab animals.

A clinical trial was done by Dr. Freed and colleagues in which 19 patients received cells derived from 4 different fetuses from abortions at 7-8 weeks after conception. The patients that were under 60 years showed about a 28% improvement in the Unified Parkinson's Disease Rating Scale (UPDRS).

However, about 15% of these patients showed devastating deterioration at 1 year after treatment that was believed to result from cellular overgrowth. In another clinical trial for Parkinson's disease using embryonic tissue (kept in cold media until transplant), similar results were obtained but the rapid deterioration in some patients was believed to be from rejection of the foreign cells/tissue derived from embryo or fetus. 7.

Terrible catastrophes using embryonic/fetal stem cells are also observed in animal experiments. In an animal model of Parkinson's disease, rats injected with embryonic stem cells showed a slight benefit in about 50% of the rats, but one-fifth (20%) of the rats died of brain tumors caused by the embryonic stem cells.

This was confirmed in another similar study conducted by a different group of researchers who also found tumor formation in about 20% of the rats.

http://160.94.9.156/ahc_news/071504...%20Research.htm

Once embryonic stem cells are implanted, they begin uncontrolled growth, eventually doing far more harm than good. But this has not stopped the abortion industry from making ridiculous claims about the beneficial effects of stem cells.

Stop me if you’ve heard this before…

Just a few short years ago the same people who are now touting stem cells were claiming RU486 (the abortion pill) would cure Cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, HIV etc. but the world laughed them off.


As an article in the Archives of Family Medicine noted in 1998: "Researchers are exploring mifepristone's (RU-486) potential uses in ... labor induction; contraception; treatment of breast cancer... and prostate cancer; amelioration of endometriosis; and management of Cushing syndrome."


www.star.niu.edu/health/articles/100102-pills.asp

Two aspirin and an abortion will cure a headache

If medical research was a building, stem cell research would be the plane that flew into it.

Twelve years ago I had a discussion with a man who's daughter had juvenile diabetes. He explained to me that the cure for diabetes was only 2 years away. The only thing standing in the way was George Bush Sr. and his opposition to abortion research.

It's 12 years later and the cure is nowhere in sight, but the con-job is still in full force.

Wall Street Journal –

And it means that political claims that cures for diabetes or Parkinson's are just around the corner are cruelly raising false hopes.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005467



The real crime is that legitimate research is not being funded because of the lobbying of the abortion industry.

And make no mistake, abortion is a industry.

They will stop at nothing to try to legitimize the butchering of children.

In fact, Alzheimer’s may have already been cured, but you haven’t heard about it because stem cells have nothing to do with it.

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The researchers found the expression of a protein called transthyretin may prevent or significantly halt the disease. The findings appeared in last week’s issue of the Journal of Neuroscience

http://badgerherald.com/news/2004/09/16/protein_could_tackle.php

When you butcher babies for a living, ethics aren't real high on your list of priorities.

MORE FACTS TO FOLLOW.

 

[stacilu]

Hmm, I guess the great majority of scientists supporting
this science are wrong. Ok, I will completely ignore
the scientific community and the 40 some Noble prize
winners and swallow these bloggers and the
Washington Post. Makes sense to me.

 

[mr73551]

Not one single link has anything to do with a "blogger"

They are the Doctors who actually conducted the research.

And the Washington Post is one of the most left-leaning newspapers in the nation.

 

[stacilu]

OK, I repeat I am wrong as are the majority
of scientists.

 

[mr73551]

OK, I repeat I am wrong as are the majority
of scientists.

The majority of what scientists? Got a link?

Is there some agency that polls all scientists?

Of course not. It's just another lie liberals throw out knowing their friends in the media will never challenge.

You choose to live your life according to sound-bites.

And sadly, there are many more like you. I strongly suggest you click thru and read every single word in every link I just provided.

The National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke
The University of Alabama at Birmingham
The Parkinson's Disease Foundation
International Congress of Parkinson's Disease and Movement Disorders

Are not political.

They are simply THE DOCTORS AND INSTITUTIONS THAT CONDUCTED THE STEM CELL RESEARCH.

I'm sorry if you don't like the actual results.

 

[LineBreaker+]

mr73551,
you wanted some scientists saying that stem cells could be useful, here you go, here are some of the HUNDREDS of references that have been published in MEDICAL JOURNALS not newspapers that think stem cells can be VERY beneficial.

Granted stem cell research won't cure every disease but noone has said that.

If stem cell research could cure or prevent one disease and save thousands of people it should be done.

AND forms of stem cells are routinely used in medicine today, but other forms of stem cells are needed for further advantages.

You can look it up and don't trust wannabe doctors that get interviewed in newspapers, that is the worst place to look for medical information.







Harrington, Lea *,1 Does the reservoir for self-renewal stem from the ends? Oncogene. 23(43):7283-7289, September 20, 2004.

<!--StartFragment --> Leading scientists from four continents have lobbied for embryonic stem-cell research. Inpharma Weekly. 1442:3, June 19, 2004.

<!--StartFragment --> Fabricius, Dorit a; Zavazava, Nicholas b,c Embryonic stem cells: technical aspects and hurdles in organ transplantation. Current Opinion in Organ Transplantation. 9(3):289-293, September 2004.

<!--StartFragment --> Friedrich, M. J. Researchers Make the Case for Human Embryonic Stem Cell Research. JAMA. 292(7):791-792, August 18, 2004

<!--StartFragment --> Bai, Jinzhu 1 2; Ding, Weimin 3; Yu, Minjun 4; Du, Jin 2; Liu, Zhongjun 1; Jia, Bing 2; Li, Lingsong 4; Shen, Li 4; Tian, Jiahe 3; Wang, Fan 2 CA Radionuclide imaging of mesenchymal stem cells transplanted into spinal cord. Neuroreport. 15(7):1117-1120, May 19, 2004.

<!--StartFragment --> . Sylvester, Karl G. MD; Longaker, Michael T. MD Stem Cells: Review and Update. Archives of Surgery. 139(1):93-99, January 2004.

 

[LineBreaker+]

I may be mistaken but doesnt your REPUBLICAN friend Nancy Reagan support stem cell research???

 

[LineBreaker+]

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mr73351,
I am sorry to post all this information but the claim you made that stem cells cant help advance science and is made up by the liberal left is one of the DUMBEST things I have ever heard in this forum.

You may be right that some diseases may not be cured but there is a real possibility that one if not several diseases can be treated if not cured with further research.





Why are the long-term proliferation ability and pluripotency of embryonic stem cells and embryonic germ cells so important? First, for basic research purposes, it is important to understand the genetic and molecular basis by which these cells continue to make many copies of themselves overlong periods of time. Second, if the cells are to be manipulated and used for transplantation, it is important to have sufficient quantities of cells that can be directed to differentiate into the desired cell type(s) and used to treat the many patients that may be suffering from a particular disease.
In recent months, other investigators have been successful in using somewhat different approaches to deriving human pluripotent stem cells. At least 5 other laboratories have been successful in deriving pluripotent stem cells from human embryos and one additional laboratory has created cell lines from fetal tissue. In each case, the methods for deriving pluripotent stem cells from human embryos and embryonic germ cells from fetal tissue are similar, yet they differ in the isolation and culture conditions as initially described by Thomson and Gearhart, respectively. It is not known to what extent U.S.-based researchers are using these additional sources of embryonic stem and germ cells.

At present, there have been multiple human adult stem cell lines that have been created through a combination of public and private resources (e.g., hematopoietic stem cells). Substantial adult stem cell research has been underway for many years, and in recent years this has included basic studies on the "plasticity" of such cells.

What Kinds of Research Might Be Conducted with Stem Cells?

There has been much written about the new discoveries of various stem cell types and their properties. Importantly, these cells are research tools and they open many doors of opportunity for biomedical research.

Transplantation Research—Restoring Vital Body Functions

Stem cells may hold the key to replacing cells lost in many devastating diseases. There is little doubt that this potential benefit underpins the vast interest about stem cell research. What are some of these diseases? Parkinson's disease, diabetes, chronic heart disease, end-stage kidney disease, liver failure, and cancer are just a few for which stem cells have therapeutic potential. For many diseases that shorten lives, there are no effective treatments but the goal is to find a way to replace what natural processes have taken away. For example, today, science has brought us to a point where the immune response can be subdued, so that organs from one person can be used to replace the diseased organs and tissues of another. But, despite recent advances in transplantation sciences, there is a shortage of donor organs that makes it unlikely that the growing demand for lifesaving organ replacements will be fully met through organ donation strategies.

The use of stem cells to generate replacement tissues for treating neurological diseases is a major focus of research. Spinal cord injury, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, and Alzheimer's disease are among those diseases for which the concept of replacing destroyed or dysfunctional cells in the brain or spinal cord is a practical goal. This report features several recent advances that demonstrate the regenerative properties of adult and embryonic stem cells.



http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/scireport/execSum.asp

 

[mr73551]

Thanks for the replies, but I guess nethier of you bothered to read my first post.

What I posted was not a bunch of pie in the sky promises being made by people who stand to profit. Who just a few years ago said RU-486 would cure Cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, HIV, etc.

IT WAS THE ACTUAL RESULT OF THE STUDIES.
REPORTED BY THE ACTUAL DOCTOR WHO ARE DOING THE RESEACH.

"To start with, people need a fairy tale," said Ronald D.G. McKay, a stem cell researcher at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke

I'm not calling it a fairy tail, the people who are doing the research are.


http://160.94.9.156/ahc_news/071504/Stem%20Cell%20Research.htm

http://www.wemove.org/emove/article.asp?ID=222

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29561-2004Jun9.html

 

[LineBreaker+]

"We don't even know what are the best cells to replace initially," added Lawrence S.B. Goldstein, who studies stem cells and Alzheimer's disease at the University of California at San Diego. "It's complicated."</NITF>

<NITF>Goldstein and others emphasized that future Alzheimer's patients could benefit if stem cell research is allowed to blossom


This is taken right from your posting to read

This DOCTOR says it could work, so you showed one said yes and one said no.

The doctor that said no said no to Alzheimer disease which is very complicated and involves thousands of neurons to die. Other diseases aren't like this and it could be useful.

Understand science before you post stupid crap.

 

[charleslanger]

Common sense is being thrown out the window in this debate:

1. Why block any kind of Research? Great inventions, advancements, new knowledge results from most type of research-- and some of the greatest cures have come in unintended form: while searching for something else.

2. With billions of solitary eggs & sperm winding up in toilets & trash bins all over the world, why not give them instead a more noble ending? And any suffering argument, just like the one used for aborting fetuses with diagnosed defects, doesn't wash: If you were to give me two choices:

a. you won't make it into existence-- the cells that would have engendered you: that sperm never was able to hook up with that egg..... sorry, but that's the law of probability.

b. you will make it-- but only as a research / donor fetus instead of being given birth to & entering the normal world.

Well then, that'd be a no-brainer: Bring me on! At least in the hereafter i would then exist normally.

 

[Marco]

"common sense is being thrown out the window in this debate"

Exactly......may not find the cure for cancer or any of the other debilitating diseases....but without research and the trial and error process that goes along with all the scientific work......your only other option is just to accept your fate as it is thrown to you because there is no work being done towards finding a cure....

Kinda like when new aids treatments become available and the FDA or some other government agency blocks thier useage......if untreated the aids patient dies, maybe he does so anyway with the treatment.....but what does he have to lose by trying something, considering the fact that he's going to die anyway?

 

[mr73551]

Line Breaker you are so ignorant it's almost funny.

Of course some of the doctors in the links I provided believe stem cell research can work.

YOU IDIOT - THEY ARE THE DOCTORS WHO INVENTED STEM CELL RESEARCH!!!!

Let me try and dumb it down so that you might understand what is being discussed here.

2+2 might = 5
2+2 has been proven to = 4

Do you understand the difference between those two statements?

Stem Cell injections MIGHT cure cancerous tumors.
Stem Cell injections HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO cause cancerous tumors.

Can your simple mind grasp this concept?

Given unlimited time and unlimited resources, Stem Cell research MIGHT one day lead to something good.

And you MIGHT have already won the Publishers Clearinghouse Sweepstakes. The check MIGHT be in the mail.

Don't hold your breath. That is what the doctors are telling you.

BTW here are some links about the doctors you called, "wannabe doctors that get interviewed in newspapers, that is the worst place to look for medical information."

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/about_ninds/labs/25.htm

http://www.research.hs.columbia.edu/Faculty_Profiles/profiles/shelanski_ml.html

What an idiot.

 

[JinnRikki]

mr73551,

If you had a child with a disease that would kill them in say 2 years. And if scientists said with proper funding we may be able to find a cure in a year. Would you change your mind?

Or will you call me an idiot for posing the question to you in the first place?

 

[mr73551]

JinnRikki,

First, I would not call anybody with whom I was trying to have reasonable discussion with an idiot. If you review the thread you will see that time and again Line Breaker insulted and misquoted me.

Finally I had enough of it. Sorry if my response offended you.

Second, If I had a sick child and I found out that someone was trying to profit from my child's suffering by promising me a non-existent cure, all the while preventing my child from getting the real cure.

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ABORTION INDUSTRY IS DOING.

To be honest, I would consider killing them.
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[SENDITIN]

The Liberals on this forum continue to spout nonsense on the issue of stem cell research...but that is par for the course. They want to play on people's emotions like Edwards claiming people would get up out of their wheelchair if Lurch was elected.

THERE IS NO LAW BANNING STEM CELL RESEARCH OF ANY KIND. The ban was on FEDERAL FUNDING OF EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH and this ban was ENFORCED BY THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. Bush was the 1st president to partially lift the ban on federal funding.

The FACTS are that if this field was as promising as our whining liberal friends lead us to believe, there would be a sh_tload of money being poured in by the EVIL drug companies and the biotech venture capitalists. And based on early results these guys have taken a pass. What does that tell you?

 

[mr73551]

SENDITIN,

Thanks for the lucid reply.

It's a rare treat in this forum.

 

[LineBreaker+]

Mr73551,

I am not stupid.

Just to let you know stem cells are used EVERY day in medicine to treat diseases. I know you dont know that but EVERY single day patients in the US are treat with stem cells.

Stem cells are a promising treatment, I am not saying they will cure every disease or even one but research concerning them is promising to help treat a numerous number of diseases.

The NIH is supporting tons of money on stem cell research but it isn't a lot to get the results some expect. If the government would help out it could speed up the process of possible finding treatments to some diseases.

Once again I am not saying that stem cell research will cure every disease but they could be used to find treatments for a numerous number of diseases.

Saying that:

<!--StartFragment --> Stem Cell injections MIGHT cure cancerous tumors.
Stem Cell injections HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO cause cancerous tumors.

Can your simple mind grasp this concept?

That is very stupid.

Stem cells DO treat disease every day in the U.S.
Stem cell research may help new treatments for diseases.

Can you understand that.




Here is another link from your site that has numerous researchers looking at stem cells for clues to treat disease.
http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/stemcell/




I dont consider myself a liberal but you can call me that if that means if there is a potential way to find treatments for disease i would look at it.

I am just saying that is potential to treat numerous diseases and it should be looked at. It is stupid to say that there are not any potential beneficial outcomes from research.

 

[Marco]

Quote: "The FACTS are that if this field was as promising as our whining liberal friends lead us to believe, there would be a sh_tload of money being poured in by the EVIL drug companies and the biotech venture capitalists. And based on the early results these guys have taken a pass. What does that tell you?"

It tells me that they might be f_cking up....or maybe not....

History has shown in many instances that just because someone or some group didn't buy into a particular business venture, that it was the correct move.

Inventors and scientists, movie stars and musical groups, athletes......you name it.....there are numerous instances of people getting turned down by one group and getting a chance from some other source and then striking it big.....then the people who had first chance kick themselves for not jumping on a winner....

How many people watched Berkshire Hathaway roar to unprecedented heights without having even a single share to thier name?

Hard to say what's going to happen with this research, it could flop or hit big.....but to say that it's going to flop just because money isn't getting poured into it ignores a simple history lesson.

 

[daringly]

Stem cell research isn't the answer to all problems today, but it has great potential in the future.

Stem cell injections have already show promise in treating heart disease (Science News. I don't remember the exact article, but you can find it if you care).

The whole concept of stem cell treatment is that it 1. is flexible to create what is needed, and 2. develops young cells, with a fresh lifespan. Aging cells (via natural aging or exposure to radiation/free radicals) is a primary cause of all problems. Stem cell research offers a possibility to halt disease.

There are certainly ethical issues to address. Abortion is but one way to get stem cells. There are other less controversial ways. There have been unsuccessful attempts to apploy stem cells. But to argue that there are no benefits of this research is simply propaganda that ignores the bulk of scientific evidence to the contrary.