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Is when it came to 9/11 all the anti-Bush crowd was howling,"why didn't they connect the dots? Bush was sleeping on the job! blah,blah,blah"
But when it comes to Irag they don't want to connect the dots they want a fxckin Rembrandt.

What kills me is that the UN sees fit to shit all over the Americans that died in the 1st Gulf war because they are to chicken shit to enforce their own rules, yet tell us what we are going to do with our troops because of their own incompetent socialist policys can't afford their own military....I will protest a war when the next time those fxckin faggot Europeans get their ass in a jam and need our military.
 

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France is on their own? I guess you missed the press conference where it was clearly stated that a huge majority was against a new resolution and a war. what bush, aznar and blair did was avoiding a loss because in case of a loss in the voting blair would under no circumstances have been backed. so they are simply saying it made no sence for the sponsors to ask for a voting because one country said beforehane that they will not back any resolution. that was somehow tricky by bba
so france is alone with germany, russia, china and most countries of the world. i guess more than 90 % of the un member countries are against the use of force
 
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remember when the us rescued france from invaders. from now on i hope they can do a better job with peace treaties if a german type army is marching towards paris.

"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
 
andy it's not 90%.

What counts is the us president, the us senate which had more votes for this resolutions than in the 1990 war. and the americans which support saddams removal by over 60% if not more.

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first of all have a look at the polls by having a war´without un backing. what a difference to the mentioned poll!!! bush counts for you but the USA is not the Roman Empire and they have to respect the UN as well as the huge majority of the world. About France: How long was that ago??? It is even as foolish to mention it as my generation still has to pay for the jewish cassualties. The people who did that are mostly not alive anymore. but that is something totally different.
 

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FSB,no I am not a homophob, but maybe I am a hypocondriac, because homo's according to the New England journal of medicine have the highest rate of STD and other diseses than any other population in the country...Come to think of it if we decide to use bio weapons on irag, maybe we can just give them San Francisco.
 

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Hey andy, a long time ago? Don't you think the French and Germans favorite drink would be vodka without US presents?..Don't you think Russia would still be the soviet union with out uUS presents?....We have covered those guys ass for 60 years....How do you think they get away with having no military?

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Is when it came to 9/11 all the anti-Bush crowd was howling,"why didn't they connect the dots? Bush was sleeping on the job! blah,blah,blah"

simple. The first case dealt with prevention, the second case is regarding an offensive (read, aggressive) war.
That's a big difference!
 
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remember when the us rescued france from invaders.

There is a big difference between being grateful and being a yesman.
 

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radio,I got your prevention right here!!
Read this and let me know where was the outrage?
(thanks FF)
Wednesday, December 16, 1998

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

The inspectors undertook this mission first 7.5 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.

The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

The United States has patiently worked to preserve UNSCOM as Iraq has sought to avoid its obligation to cooperate with the inspectors. On occasion, we've had to threaten military force, and Saddam has backed down.

Faced with Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.

Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the UN.

When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the UN that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors.

I decided then to call off the attack with our airplanes already in the air because Saddam had given in to our demands. I concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate.

I made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, based on existing UN resolutions and Iraq's own commitments. And along with Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.

Now over the past three weeks, the UN weapons inspectors have carried out their plan for testing Iraq's cooperation. The testing period ended this weekend, and last night, UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, reported the results to UN Secretary-General Annan.

The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing.

In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. Indeed, it actually has placed new restrictions on the inspectors. Here are some of the particulars.

Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites. For example, it shut off access to the headquarters of its ruling party and said it will deny access to the party's other offices, even though UN resolutions make no exception for them and UNSCOM has inspected them in the past.

Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence. For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program.

It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.

Prior to the inspection of another site, Iraq actually emptied out the building, removing not just documents but even the furniture and the equipment.

Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all the documents requested by the inspectors. Indeed, we know that Iraq ordered the destruction of weapons-related documents in anticipation of an UNSCOM inspection.

So Iraq has abused its final chance.

As the UNSCOM reports concludes, and again I quote, "Iraq's conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in the fields of disarmament.

"In light of this experience, and in the absence of full cooperation by Iraq, it must regrettably be recorded again that the commission is not able to conduct the work mandated to it by the Security Council with respect to Iraq's prohibited weapons program."

In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.

Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance.

And so we had to act and act now.

Let me explain why.

First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years.

Second, if Saddam can crippled the weapons inspection system and get away with it, he would conclude that the international community -- led by the United States -- has simply lost its will. He will surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction, and someday -- make no mistake -- he will use it again as he has in the past.

Third, in halting our air strikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance, not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed. We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection system that controls his weapons of mass destruction program; we also will have fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain domination in the region.

That is why, on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team -- including the vice president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of state and the national security adviser -- I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq.

They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors.

At the same time, we are delivering a powerful message to Saddam. If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price. We acted today because, in the judgment of my military advisers, a swift response would provide the most surprise and the least opportunity for Saddam to prepare.

If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report, we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his weapons.

Also, the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins this weekend. For us to initiate military action during Ramadan would be profoundly offensive to the Muslim world and, therefore, would damage our relations with Arab countries and the progress we have made in the Middle East.

That is something we wanted very much to avoid without giving Iraq's a month's head start to prepare for potential action against it.

Finally, our allies, including Prime Minister Tony Blair of Great Britain, concurred that now is the time to strike. I hope Saddam will come into cooperation with the inspection system now and comply with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions. But we have to be prepared that he will not, and we must deal with the very real danger he poses.

So we will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people.

First, we must be prepared to use force again if Saddam takes threatening actions, such as trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction or their delivery systems, threatening his neighbors, challenging allied aircraft over Iraq or moving against his own Kurdish citizens.

The credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War.

Second, so long as Iraq remains out of compliance, we will work with the international community to maintain and enforce economic sanctions. Sanctions have cost Saddam more than $120 billion -- resources that would have been used to rebuild his military. The sanctions system allows Iraq to sell oil for food, for medicine, for other humanitarian supplies for the Iraqi people.

We have no quarrel with them. But without the sanctions, we would see the oil-for-food program become oil-for-tanks, resulting in a greater threat to Iraq's neighbors and less food for its people.

The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently.

The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties.

Indeed, in the past, Saddam has intentionally placed Iraqi civilians in harm's way in a cynical bid to sway international opinion.

We must be prepared for these realities. At the same time, Saddam should have absolutely no doubt if he lashes out at his neighbors, we will respond forcefully.

Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people.

And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.

Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.

Let me close by addressing one other issue. Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down.

But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so.

In the century we're leaving, America has often made the difference between chaos and community, fear and hope. Now, in the new century, we'll have a remarkable opportunity to shape a future more peaceful than the past, but only if we stand strong against the enemies of peace.

Tonight, the United States is doing just that. May God bless and protect the brave men and women who are carrying out this vital mission and their families. And may God bless America.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

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Did President Clinton have a UN resolution?

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radiofreecostarica great answer. when some country does not go along with the us opinion then we currently see what happens. this cowboy has split europe into two parts. surely it was great what the allies did in getting hitler out of power and give the europeans back their freedom but there is no way that therefore we have to kiss the american asses and follow the american way even if we are against it. we are all different countries, sharing different views and that is what shows that we are all living in a civilised world
 

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The continued threat of a U.S.-led war on Iraq came as a newly released CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll said 64 percent of Americans favor sending U.S. ground forces to remove Saddam from power -- up five percentage points from a similar survey earlier this month.

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Pat Buchanan and Bill O'Reilly for the White House
 

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what bush blair and aznar are starting is a violation of the international law.
since 1945 it is forbidden to start any offensive war. furthermore when you have a ceasefire agreement with a country it is strictly forbidden to attack this country.
article 51 of the un charta does not work as well as it only allows a offensive war against a country when an attack against the own country is approaching.
furthermore it is not possible to start a war due to the fact that the us is speaking of a material breach. in that case you need a new resolution and prior to that the un has to determine that.
so if it would not be bush or blair starting such a war any other person would be treated as a war criminal.

[This message was edited by andynbg on 03-17-03 at 05:04 PM.]
 
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andynbg,

you know you make a valid point when the answer comes as an article.

and this? CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Which did this poll? All three? Some of the three or just one? Who sponsored the Poll? I want to know where they were polling and what was the exact question?
 

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Andy, the president has an obligation to defend the countries against all enemies foreign and domestic as provided by the US constitution, it does not say anything about the UN....Whats the UN going to do about it?Write a resolution?Military force? bwahahahah
 

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furthermore the 1441 as well as the other two articles they mentioned and making it possible for them to use the forces do not work as well. the reason is that for any use of force you need a new resolution. bush can not say it is a preventional measure because an attack on the USA soil is not immediate.
 

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i have so many american friends, even my best friend is american but i don`t like such patriotism as you show patriot. in a discussion you have to be open minded and accept any different view. we are speaking about global laws not us laws and articles. i mean in that case what would come next? bush would insist on an article saying he can attack any country producing more steal than america or playing a better soccer than they do? what you are mentioning does not work on a global basis.
 

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