The suicide bombers have started...

[Oceans11]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2898173.stm

I warned you about this ages ago.
Its why the marines abandoned Beiruit.
You cant fight guys who dont care about dying.

http://www.aljazeera.net/ is up again, so it wasn't censorship, it was a DoS type thing.

[This message was edited by eek on 03-29-03 at 08:31 AM.]

 

[Jazz]

eek: the Japanese had hundreds if not thousands of kamikaze pilots, a lot of them quite successful in hitting targers - they still lost. It is a facet of the war, true, but one happened and probably more are. Okay, thanks, but it changes nothing.

 

[Oceans11]

If I recall correctly Jazz.

The US defeated Japan by nuking them.

 

[Jazz]

You recall the facts, eek, but if the US had not nuked them, which again starts another whole debate that I'm not interested in concerning the morality of the nuking, then the estimates are that far more Japanese (including civilians, killed by non-precise bombings) and a hell of a lot of Allied troops would have been wounded or killed taking the Japanese mainland - but make no mistake about it, the Allies would have won regardless, just at more cost to us AND them.

No one I've ever heard, until now, has ever suggested the kamikazes were a primary reason for the nuking.

[This message was edited by Jazz on 03-29-03 at 09:12 AM.]