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June 29, 2008: The United States now has thousands of spies inside Iraq. This didn't happen overnight. For the last five years, the U.S. has been building an informant network there. This sort of thing takes time, and knowledge of how Arab culture works, and how to work it. The U.S. Army Special Forces, the CIA, reservist cops and Israel were key components. The results (mostly classified) have been impressive. For example, last year, tips from Iraqis led to the discovery of 6,963 weapons caches, plus similar information on safe houses and terrorists themselves. During the first half of 2009, tips led to finding nearly 5,000 weapons caches.

Back in 2003, the Special Forces and CIA already knew about the tradecraft of developing local informants. The Special Forces were always practicing this, but were now so damn busy chasing terrorists and taking care of so many special jobs no one else could handle, that spy networks were not something they could concentrate on. The CIA also had a shortage of people with practical experience in setting up informant networks. That's mainly because media and Congressional pressure in the late 1970s caused the CIA to largely get out of the spy business. Too dangerous because of the nasty people you have to deal with while recruiting quality informants. Thus the reservist cops and Israel became two of the major sources of expertise in this area.

In the United States, it's quite common for police to join the reserves. They don't always end up doing police work, but they have their experience with them always. In Iraq, reservists who were detectives and police commanders quickly saw the need for databases and developing informant networks. That led to the Israeli connection. Israel had been at war with Palestinian terrorists since 2000, and had cranked up their already extensive informant network in the Palestinian territories, and throughout the Arab world. Israeli advise turned out to be critical. But one bit of Israeli wisdom was decidedly unwelcome. Setting up a reliable informant network in Iraq would take time, and there was no way to rush it.

The "surge offensive" of last year was largely possible because the informant network had grown to the point where commanders were confident that many Sunni Arab tribes were ready to switch sides. They knew this because the Special Forces had taught so many officers how to "drink tea" (sit down and talk with local Iraqi big shots). Israeli intel experts advised on how to work an Iraqi neighborhood to find people willing to talk, and how to persuade them to do it even in the face of terrorist threats.

U.S. intel troops, mainly U.S. Army, persevered, and now that's paying off. You can tell by the confident pronouncements from U.S. generals about success in Iraq. It's career suicide to make such statements, unless you are very confident with your resources, especially your intelligence capabilities. Naturally, no one will talk openly about this stuff. Can't risk giving the enemy anything. But in a decade or so, if not sooner, lots of details will come out. It's quite an epic adventure.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20080629.aspx
 

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They'll just take your money and spoon feed you crap, like denouncing a business rival to get rid of him, and get paid $$$s for it too!

America will never ever have a reliable intelligence network in the Islamic world.

Isn't there a football euphemism for this?
It doesn't matter who wins, as long as England loses kinda thing.

In the Islamic world, it doesn't matter who wins as long as America loses.
 

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They'll just take your money and spoon feed you crap, like denouncing a business rival to get rid of him, and get paid $$$s for it too!

America will never ever have a reliable intelligence network in the Islamic world.

Isn't there a football euphemism for this?
It doesn't matter who wins, as long as England loses kinda thing.

In the Islamic world, it doesn't matter who wins as long as America loses.

We sure won't have a reliable network if we follow your negative spin on life.

I applaud the effort...and its very important going forward.
 

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gee, who ever would have thought we might be winning the war on terror because we have improved our human intelligence significantly since 2001?

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Using sunnis to betray/kill/terrorise shi'ites might work for a while though, that kinda thing.
So you back one tribal group against another, make the old tribal tensions a bigger issue than the common good.

That system definitely works. Saddam used it.


Like we have the Democrat tribe and the Republican tribe tearing at each others throats while America goes down the toilet.
 

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do you do anything but c&p? find a couple of comic books to post for us at least it will be better than this garbage. or better yet post your own opinion.
 

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do you do anything but c&p? find a couple of comic books to post for us at least it will be better than this garbage. or better yet post your own opinion.

LOL..I don't know what it is about libs that don't like cut n paste.

It's simply sharing news items and opinion.

You know...things intelligent people do to expand their minds and information.

Maybe thats why libs don't like it?

Unless you run a news gathering service out of your basement...how else do you gather news and share it?

Weird view you have there. :think2:
 

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what the eff does improving our human intelligence mean? whatever there has been informants and secret wars since the beginning of civilization. good for them over in iraq, i just can't believe you guys think this is new or something huge because we out thought a third world country half way to it's demise.
 

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Intelligence has improved since 9/11, because it had to after years of neglect, a/k/a the peace dividend. I'm not blaming anybody nor giving anybody credit, just stating the obvious (something that many have overlooked around here). It's just a function of the times.

It's obvious our intelligence was lacking prior to 9/11 and the Iraqi war, it's obvious that things are swinging big time.
 

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our intelligence never lacks we don't take chances. we control. it was deliberate neglect from war profiteers. time tells all even the past, not just the future.
 

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and these people are not lefty or righty, they are the people who were part of the defense of the usa and weren't getting paid like the top tier. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VTRIOnx4MWM&hl=en"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VTRIOnx4MWM&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
 

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Intelligence has improved since 9/11, because it had to after years of neglect, a/k/a the peace dividend. I'm not blaming anybody nor giving anybody credit, just stating the obvious (something that many have overlooked around here). It's just a function of the times.

It's obvious our intelligence was lacking prior to 9/11 and the Iraqi war, it's obvious that things are swinging big time.

I think history will show the Dems witch hunt after Wagergate which dismantled and neutered our intelligence capabilities will point a damning finger as the road to 9/11.

It takes a while for history to sort these things out and get the big picture.
 

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nixon got what he deserved for his dismantling of the healthcare system.

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They'll just take your money and spoon feed you crap, like denouncing a business rival to get rid of him, and get paid $$$s for it too!

America will never ever have a reliable intelligence network in the Islamic world..

Being as there's what - only a dozen or so people in the entire US Department of State who are fluent in Iraqi and Iranian native tongues? - I think we can all pretty much agree with EEK's assessment.
 

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