The real truth about Roberto/Panam

[Francesalbert]

I just saw a post on another site about Roberto. I have been watching this take place from a distance. I have friends who are owed from this deal in Panama. First Roberto goes in and damns all of Panama. Now I see he is recommending a sportsbook there. I play at Legendz so I know they are good.

My problem is why the flip Roberto? Well let me answer that for ya. MONEY!!!
You have never been about anything but money from the start. I am sure you thought this Panam thing would be over by now and you would have tried to hustle these innocent players for 10% or 20% or whatever you are charging.
I dont understand why its taking people this long to figure it out. You saw a way to make money and went after it. Not to help players but to help yourself.

If you are gonna do that fine but dont try and make it look like anything but that. You claim to be a watchdog but the only thing you are watching is dollar signs. I am sure that no one in Panama is listening to you. If anything I am sure that you are hampering any negotiations that are going on down there. I also see you are posting about Olympic now. Also one of my books I play with. And have been there for years. But I also see whats going on here. You are still hoping to make something off of this as well.

The worst thing I heard today is Roberto is actually telling Spiro NOT TO PAY the people that are owed from betpanam. Why you ask? Because he will not get paid anything from the players that he supposedly was helping and hopes down the line they may get a few pennies somehow so he gets his cut.

Now dont come back in here with one of your legal filled responses. We just want the plain and simple. We all know what you are all about. I am sure you do as well..

 

[BeatTheBookies]

TRUE?

 

[wilheim]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We all know what you are all about. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not taking sides, but you would be better off speaking for yourself and not ALL of us.


wil.

 

[Francesalbert]

Wil you are a good guy and a great mod from what I am told. But people who are on the inside do know the truth. Roberto's back is up against the wall and the gig's up.

 

[wilheim]

Like I said not taking sides, just some advice about generalising. I have learned that posting what others may think or know, is not always smart. That is all I am saying.


wil.

 

[mickj]

Frances if Panama wanted to pay wouldn't they just do it, regardless of Roberto? Was Spiro going to pay the players outright or was it one of those matching deposit deals?

 

[Francesalbert]

Mickj

Of course they would just pay. But thats just it. They arent gonna pay anybody. If so it would have been done by now. I have watched my friend get all built up just to see him get knocked down again and again. Me, I figured it out long ago. And I was really awakened when he started touting a sportsbook in Panama. And especially one on the same license as Betpanam. I mean I have seen it for what now? 5-6 months he bashed Panama. And now all of a sudden its a safe location to play at. Like I have said Legendz is a fine book. My problem isnt with them. They may not even be aware of who they are dealing with.

Most books set up affiliates and never know who it is. But people who arent smart enough to read between the lines are letting a con man handle their stuff. Just look at the Royal situation now. He was protecting them for years. Now all of a sudden he drops them on his site. I dont understand. Wait, Yes I do. They quit sending the checks to Roberto. Thats the difference.

Listen, like I said before. If he comes in here clean and gives his true intentions. I am fine with that. But for him to go around claiming to be a savior when he is doing nothing more than grandstanding for the better of his internet site. Well then I have to just call him out like I see it. I am not even owed by Panam. I would never set up with a new book like that. But I have been aware of the situation because my friend got caught up in it. Every week I get a phone call. "Roberto is meeting with the President". Or "Roberto is meeting with some government minister in Panama". Listen the only President Roberto is meeting is the one at the bank where he cashes his checks.

I knew Spiro was in Panama and I was waiting for Roberto to start posting about it again. And he didnt let me down either. He actually said he went to Panama. I am sure hoping a deal would get done and he could claim that he advised the situation. Just ask yourself. Why would anyone let a supposed watchdog site owner into those meetings. Wouldnt you think any business would be done in private. Thats the real world. But not in Robertos world. He is always claiming to be the head negotiator for the better of the people. In meetings I am sure he never even attends. Just figure it out people. Is all I am asking.

 

[Redneckman]

Roberto has done a hell of a lot to try to get us all paid, not fair at all to come in here and criticize Roberto for asking for 10% of player balances for all the work he is doing. Now if he asked Spiro not to pay us, that's an altogether different story, but I don't believe it. You'll have to show proof on that one.

 

[Francesalbert]

Redneckman, You and my buddy need to hang out together. Unfortunately he is off the
opinion that you are. He also believes everything he reads on these forums.
Me I just read between the lines. My friend signed one of those proxys. I
Also have 2 more friends who didn't. And they were given accounts at Legendz.
That happened 3 months ago now I believe. I am just saying use common sense
here. Its been 6-7 months already. Nothing. I am sure there is a lot going on
down in Panama. But I am also pretty sure that Roberto isn't a part of it.
Like I said. Every week its a new and different legal book response to what's
going on down there. Listen the way he bashes people. Do you really think he
is welcome in those offices down there. I mean most of this is common sense.
I am pretty sure that most of Panama isn't even aware of sportsbetting in
their country. Much less want to support someone who seems to want to fight
their government. I am sure that those investors down there aren't worried
about what's going to happen to them.

 

[Journeyman]

10% is what he is asking? I never heard that....

What is the total sum he is trying to get everyone paid?

very interesting, and while I can see what his motivation is now, I still commend him for trying and having the idea to cash in for himself as well...

I am sure everyone would be overjoyed with 90% of their BatPanAm acct!!??

And probably signed some sort of contract , so I see no problem with the fee...

 

[TOW]

Dear Frances Albert,

First of all thanks for your post. I have never claimed to be a saint nor pretend to be one but I feel entitled to argue with your statements.

Legendz is a top notch store run by professionals. I recommend them as per their own capabilities, without any merit to the Jurisdiction.

If I had done it for money I would have asked money upfront, unlike a reward upon collection. To date I’m out of several thousand dollars of my personal money.

Meetings with authorities : they are all documented. In fact the content of some of those meetings are part of the claim filed with the Attorney General this past Friday.

It is factual that the Minister of Finance Norberto Delgado Duran has approved changes ( to the benefit of Cybergaming ) in this past month of July. Quiet unusual when the same Minister had initially signed a recommendation to disperse the famous Bond early March.

Spiro, or any book relocating to Panama. Please share with me, and all the readers of this web site why should any book relocating to that Jurisdiction pick up the tab of Betpanam’s fiasco. Its not their problem, its not their duty. As a side note : Olympic, like other three books, has indeed helped in bailing out a handful of accounts that the Gentlemen of Betpanam has simply deleted from their database. As a second side note : sometimes I read Spiro would eat me alive if he’d had a change to meet me face to face, other times, like in your post, I read that I’m so influential to tell him what to do….I guess the truth is that he, like any Sportbook operator, does what its best for his business, regardless of what whomever around him says.

There is so much to say about this story that a simple post can’t contain everything. As per myself, and as stated since day one, I will not stop pursuing these people until Betpanam players will be paid.

BTW….just a hint to remain focused : A group of wannabe bookies got together with a group of wannabe businessmen last year. Their common denominator was greed. Everything went fine until money was flowing in from the “sheeps”. When this stopped and the “evil players” began to win some money back they simply stopped to pay. Since then they have proposed players 3 different payment plans, none of which has been respected by the fine Gentlemen of Cybergaming / Betpanam. Final consideration : these are the fine gentlemen that leaked out the note according to which I could be arrested . I guess they feel that anyone who has a legit claim deserves to be punished.

It is my opinion that these are the people to chase. What do you think Frances Albert ?

 

[Francesalbert]

First off Roberto I have never questioned Legendz. I too feel they are a fine shop. My questions was why the change of heart. You have spent the last 6 months laying into Panama. Only to refer customers to a site that is also a part of the Panama Cybergaming license. Its just a two faced way to do business. I see this. I want others to as well. What you are supposed to say is that Legendz is now paying me to refer them. This is why I have changed my mind about them. Sorry it took me so long to get my money out of them or I would have praised them sooner. Not that they are a fine upstanding book. That is not the way a "Watchdog site" is supposed to operate. Its supposed to be for the good of the people. Not the good of your bank account.

You also claim to meet many influential people. And all of it is documented. Documented where? In that make believe land that you want posters to believe you are a part of. Cut the crap. Others may buy it. But in my opinion its all BS. You meet this Minister and that Minister. All the while people aren't getting paid now are they. But it seems like you have figured out a way to get money from Panama. By referring the people that you have damned for so long now. Unbelievable how this change has taken place. Seems you do that a lot. Switch sides. Also now you even admit to advising Spiro not to pay that debt. That's funny. Seems to me that he is the only person who may pay it. And the good "watchdog owner" Roberto is advising him not to. Why would that be? Hmmm.
I guess that would be because then you don't stand a chance of getting any money from those proxies you had signed. So once again this isn't what a normal watchdog would do..They would do anything to get people paid. Even encouraging someone else to pay the debt. Not advising them not too.

I too have faith that if Spiro decides to go there he will make sure that debt is paid. I have known of Spiro for many years. Not a more honorable person in this industry. So stay out of the negotiations. We don't need people advising others not to pay. Just so they can profit. Once again is this not clearly a situation where people can see the true intentions of a person. At least its clear to me. You said."There is so much to say about this story that a simple post cant contain everything". Funny that hasn't stopped you from
rambling on in the past with mind numbing legal filled post on these forums. We are all tired
of that. All we want is the truth . Plain and simple.

Then you post about a bunch of wanne be bookmakers and wanna be business men. Which is it? I have seen you go after each one and praise each one. Make up your mind and pick a side. One week its the people that worked there. Next week its the investors. Then a crooked government. Then the Cybergaming people. But yet you still continue to do business with a book there. Once again I ask. Which is it? Just pick a side and ride it out. Is that to much to ask?

Then you finish up with this question."It is my opinion that these are the people to chase. What do you think Frances Albert? I will tell you what I think. I think we should chase everyone who does wrong. And lies and cheats and steals. And I especially think we should go after people who misrepresent themselves. Who tell people one thing while behind the scenes doing something else. That to me is just as wrong.

 

[Francesalbert]

THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF MY POST


Also now you even admit to advising Spiro not to pay that debt. That's funny. Seems to me that he is the only person who may pay it. And the good "watchdog owner" Roberto is advising him not to. Why would that be? Hmmm.
I guess that would be because then you don't stand a chance of getting any money from those proxies you had signed. So once again this isn't what a normal watchdog would do..They would do anything to get people paid. Even encouraging someone else to pay the debt. Not advising them not too.

 

[TOW]

Frances, I'll just drop a line as I figure we both have better to do with our time.

I shall admit you're good at twisting my previous reply to your post. Your choice. I'll shortly summarize my reply :

1) It is my goal to have Betpanam players paid.
2) The govt has 681,702.00 dollars available to do so and they should have paid back in March.

3) If your "switching" suspicions were true I would have then accepted the offer made by Ricardo Chen to sell sub-licenses on his behalf for 10K each, offer made on June 14th 2004. I have not, unlike Bill Comee and Marty Monroe who have and are currently promoting cybergaming's sub licenses. Everyone in the Industry knows that.

4) I will keep on doing what I deem as best to get players paid from the thieves of cybergaming/betpanam.

5 ) I have stated in my previous post that I don't know what you're talking about when you mention Olympic.

6) I'm slightly puzzled by this statement of yours :

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> So stay out of the negotiations. We don't need people advising others not to pay. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bill, Marty, Ricardo or whomever involved with cybergaming is posting under the name of Frances Albert.....let me tell you one thing : your days are over.

 

[TheMajor+]

My guess is Marty Monroe aka ****. Actually it all makes sense now. Good old Frances was in fine form when we were giving out the details of him stiffing the whole world.

So everyone knows, Marty is the minority shareholder that left Royal. (broke BTW). He is also the person that helped orchestrate the Betpanam robbery. There is not a book the man has worked for that hasnt gone broke.

Marty Monroe is a liar, a thief, and as seen here, a gutless man who cannot even use his own lousy stiff name to post.

Roberto, whatever you are doing, keep doing it, it obviously is working.

odds are Frances comes back with a moroninc post like this one within 20 minutes.

It all makes sense now. And stupid me I blamed that idiot from BHB.

http://forum.therx.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=3963098685&m=528101401&r=628101401#628101401

 

[Buzzsaw]

Originally posted by The Major:
Nice to see you posting again Scott/GotBrokie/BHB

Major so now this is Marty? LOL

We should have a prize for naming this ghost. I'm gonna take a flyer on Lou D.

 

[TheMajor+]

SBR, nice to see you defending your butt boy Marty Monroe. I actually had a bet with a poster here on how long it would take you to come in this thread with your tongue up his ass. I actually lost

I said 2 hours)

But none the less, I would like to commend you for all the work behind the scenes you have done helping people who got stiffed by your recommended book Betpanam. Here is a prediction. The next book that this wasted peice of skin Marty shows up at will be an A+ in 2 weeks.

BTW whats this about WSEX paying you a monthly advertising fee?

 

[BettingProphets]

francesalbert is Craig aka IntuitionBet

 

[TOW]

SBR, an advice. Do not fall in these "thieves of Betpanam" trick to divert focus to non important issues.

The focus is and shall remain on these thieves paying owed players. We can have all the fun we want after this primary goal is reached.

Russ has been one of the most instrumental people in trying to reach a positive solution in this mess. He doesn't deserve your sarcasm.

 

[Buzzsaw]

Thanks major,
Always nice to see you showing off your astute intelligence again.. LOL

Nice to have wsex on board, thanks again. That’s a clean sweep of all the top books. I know you are happy for SBR. You were a big part of the success.

You made a bet with yourself and lost again?? LMAO Tells you something about your life eh?

BTW, Nice job copying the sbr wires lately although you missed the current one on royal.