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Why power prices aren't falling

There was a hope that a global economic slowdown, which has led to a fall in oil prices, would also lead to a fall in the gas and electricity prices we all pay.
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Well, don't hold your breath - for all the pressure that the prime minister, no less, put on the energy companies this weekend to cut their energy tariffs.
I've been talking to those who run our big power companies. And this is what they say:
1) gas prices are still 70% higher than where they were last winter, in spite of a fall in the past few weeks;
2) electricity prices are double where they were last winter;
3) there is very little spare capacity in the electricity generation market, because of the age and fragility of our generators, so there's a risk that - if another generator were to fall over - electricity prices could rise further;
4) over the summer, energy companies bought power on the forward market at prices that are higher than where they are today;
5) it's currently very difficult to hedge power prices at the slightly lower prices now prevailing, because the credit crunch has reduced the capacity of financial firms to take the other side of bets on the future path of energy prices (which is why certain power companies are no longer providing big fixed-price contracts to huge industrial consumers);
6) all the power companies are generating much reduced profits from their retail energy businesses, such that if they suffer a further margin squeeze they may well find it harder and more expensive to raise credit (another painful impact of the credit crunch);
7) power companies have no idea whether this winter will be cold, and therefore whether there will be a surge in demand for gas and electricity, which will lead to a spike in wholesale prices.
Put it altogether and what you've got is the near-certainty that those increased prices we saw in the summer - with British Gas increase the gas tariff by 35% and electricity by 9% - will prevail for many more weeks to come, and possibly all through the winter.
All the power companies will do what they can for those on lowest incomes. And they are conscious that for small businesses, the high cost of energy can prove fatal.
But the vast majority of us would probably be foolish to factor into our budgets any significant fall in what we pay for energy.
UPDATE, 10:40AM: If you are looking for gloom, today's public sector net borrowing figures are simply dreadful: £37.6bn for April to September, up from £21.5bn a year earlier.
And this horrible increment has come before we've seen any significant impact of the economic slowdown on personal and corporate tax receipts.
Public sector net borrowing in the current fiscal year may well turn out to be at least 50% greater than the £43bn forecast by the chancellor in March.
And, as I've been pointing out (see "Spend, Spend, Spend?") all the pressures on the government are to spend more in the short term, to lessen the downturn in the economy - which will lead to even greater public-sector borrowing.
Which is why many economists would argue that the priority for the Treasury is not to raise taxes or slash public spending now, but to map out a credible path for reducing public sector debt from 2010 onwards.
If the chancellor fails to do this, sterling and UK government bonds will come under very heavy selling pressure - and the cost for the government of servicing all that debt could rise quite sharply.
UPDATE, 12:36PM: I have looked again at where we are on wholesale gas and electricity prices - and they don't imply we are close to serious reductions in what we're charged.
Wholesale gas prices for delivery in the first quarter of 2009 are 62% above last winter's price. And electricity prices for the same period are 67% up, year on year.
As for wholesale electricity prices for November and December, they are even higher.
What's galling is that wholesale gas was supposedly priced off the oil price on the way up - but now that the oil price has more than halved, the gas price seems to have de-coupled (to use the awful jargon).
There's a bit of a smell around all of this. Few would probably argue that the gas market is either rational or efficient.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2008/10/why_power_prices_arent_falling.html
 

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and wots the government doing about people being gouged in the middle of a global crisis?

Fuk-all, that's wot.

Different decade, same old bs.

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Yet he cannot turn his heating down, as his 14-year-old daughter Helaina suffers from an extremely rare genetic disorder, which means she suffers greatly from the cold in winter and heat in summer.
It means daily hot baths in winter and air conditioning in the summer. As Colin put it: "It's not a lifestyle choice, it is a medical necessity."
Two years ago, his monthly energy bill was £45. It is currently £72, with the next increase, due next month, likely to take it over £100.
As his family makes sacrifices to the rest of its budget, Colin has no doubt who is to blame for the predicament facing millions of homes in the UK: "I think the companies are making excessive profit at the expense of the consumer.
"The fuel companies are very good at putting the prices up and excessively slow at putting them down."
The energy companies blame the rises on factors beyond their control, mainly the rising cost of wholesale fuel used in power stations.
It's a problem exacerbated by the lack of spare capacity in the National Grid, with 20 to 30 power stations currently offline.
However, one analyst also alleges that there is another, less-heralded factor.
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I doubt whether more than 20% of the gas available is traded openly on the market
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Dominic Whittome, former gas trader

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Dominic Whittome, a former head of gas trading for a major energy supplier, believes the bulk of wholesale gas traded is in hidden deals, where the prices offered are never revealed to the markets.
Traders buy energy on the forward market, buying at a specified price for future delivery.
"I doubt whether more than 20% of the gas available is traded openly on the market," he told BBC File On 4.
These bilateral deals are traded away from the market, meaning the market does not know the exact price.
"Furthermore, there is a lack of available gas for purchase on the market, because so much is traded 'under the counter,'" he added.
Scarcity fears
"This creates a perception of traded gas scarcity, which pushed the prices up," he said, adding, "Essentially it distorts or removes effective competition, which in any industry will lead to higher prices - and that, I believe, is one of the major reasons prices have risen 400% over the last 10 years."
Mr Whittome contends that wholesale gas prices could be cut by 10 to 20% if there were more free competition on the forward market.
"If we did take action in the forward market, we could reverse a lot of the price rises that we have seen."
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I would say that in in the UK, the vast majority of gas is traded openly and freely
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Sarwjit Sambhi, Centrica

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His claims are robustly disputed by Centrica, owners of British Gas.
Sarwjit Sambhi, Centrica's director of power business, doubts that 80% of wholesale gas is traded away from the market.
"I would say that in in the UK, the vast majority of gas is traded openly and freely. There are very few off-market deals," he said.
Ofgem probe
However, Mr Sambhi said a lot of gas was bought and sold in bilateral markets in Europe and added, "A more transparent wholesale European gas market would lead to a better understanding of why we're seeing wholesale price changes up or down."
A recent report by the Commons Business and Enterprise committee expressed concern about the low levels of visible trading on gas wholesale markets. Energy regulator Ofgem is currently investigating the problem. As part of an inquiry which began in February, Ofgem has called on the big six energy suppliers to increase transparency in the wholesale markets, by publishing separate accounts for their supply and generations businesses. It is consulting on whether it needs new powers to combat potential wholesale market abuses. Ofgem declined a BBC request for an interview.
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keep beatin that inflationary drum :)

oh your talking about how we not seeing the drop yeah there is some of that going on for now

gas at the pump is much more elastic....down to 2.54 a gallon at the cornerstore nearby i saw last night.....have no clue why iowa prices plumetting so much faster we were over 4 at the peak....think it might have to do with the 10% ethanol in it.....ethanol prices likely crashing in a huge way.....as it is no longer feasible for fuel.....

cost to heat your home and such will likely stay elevated this winter....plus i know alot of these companies lock u up at high rates as things are bubbling screwin u up the ass

obviously J6P takes it in the rear more way than one

the dirty game of fiat inflation over the long haul

once they raise prices some never bring it down

tiz just thinks this round of deflation gonna be too huge though and they will be forced to or a ton of people not gonna be able to pay their bills eventually
 
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keep beatin that inflationary drum :)

oh your talking about how we not seeing the drop yeah there is some of that going on for now

gas at the pump is much more elastic

cost to heat your home and such will likely stay elevated this winter....plus i know alot of these companies lock u up at high rates as things are bubbling screwin u up the ass

obviously J6P takes it in the rear more way than one

the dirty game of fiat inflation over the long haul

once they raise prices some never bring it down

tiz just thinks this round of deflation gonna be too huge though and they will be forced to or a ton of people not gonna be able to pay their bills eventually

How much deflation are you expecting and explain the consequences a little, first reaction is to think that lower prices are good. Explain why it would be bad.
 

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think 1930s

our domestic economy 70% based on consumption and all the current capacity only sustainable with low unemployment, bubbling housing prices, and easy to tap credit......

if everybody starts pulling back and not spending either by force or choice (both happening as we speak).....corporate earnings deflate.....gobs of jobs will be lost.....homes will continue to lose value as less people can afford them....etc...etc...

if you have a high degree of savings (in safe stuff, MM funds, CDs etc....not stock which will continue to deflate) and have a stable job its great for you

if you have alot of debt and in a occupation that could be on the chopping block you in deep deep deep shit

most people in america right now fall into the 2nd category than the first

don't worry your boy obama will tack on lots more debt and pull alot of FDR type shit dragging the pain out longer :)
 

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the only way to end the viscous cycle is to end the fed

we are done with the inflation now we entering the bolded part

and let's hope as this evolves people wise up and demand the last sentence :)

obama is a front for the powers that be.....that is gonna be used as someone who's for the people....when in reality his job is to appease the have nots, make sure they at least can still put food on the table, keep them from rioting in the streets demanding all politicians and banksters be hung......and save the federal reserve system......much like FDR did.....

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)
 
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the fat cat banksters who got rich off fat salaries and big bonuses while the inflation and debt enslaving was going good

gonna live like complete kings and be flipping quarters to debtor bums on the street

we'll see if the masses stay calm this go round

last go round people were much more self sufficient and not a blame/point finger type of people....they dealt with it and got through it....people today very spoiled and looking for somebody to blame......and FDR was a very dynamic strong convincing leader....i'm not sure obama is up to the task......in addition the federal reserve was a fairly new thing so it wasn't fully understood how evil it truly is....and things like unemployment pay, social security, fannie mae with housing.....were entitlements that were added after starting from nothing so it was a net gain for them....getting a free check from government was new to them.....think government gonna have a tough time just providing the basic necessities

i'm hoping for a revolution we'll see :)
 
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What's It Going to Be: Inflation or Deflation?
by: Jason Tillberg October 20, 2008 | about stocks: SLV / SSRI
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Become a Contributor Submit an Article Font Size: PrintEmail October 9, 2007, marked the day when the Dow Jones reached a peak at 14,198.83. On October 10, 2008, the Dow reached as low as 7,882.51 which is a decline of about 45%. These are tough and humbling times to be an investor or simply someone trying to save for retirement or a down payment on a house.

A 45% decline in the Dow over 1 year does not happen often. When we take a longer term look at investing, we can appreciate that we'll have years when we won't have gains, but at the same time, we'll have years when our gains will be terrific and we'll have years when our gains will be average. But ultimately, the goal of investing is to have gains and not lose them, and that makes years like this tough.

America and the world have seen massive wealth destruction both in real estate and business/stock wealth over the past 12 months, especially over the past month and a half.

This kind of wealth destruction is normally deflationary like what happened in the early 1930s: Falling prices for goods and services, falling house prices, falling stock prices, falling commodity prices.

Deflation:

Deflation is the opposite of inflation. Therefore, under the usual contemporary definition of inflation, 'deflation' means a decrease in the general price level.

Deflation is considered a problem in a modern economy because of the potential of a deflationary spiral and its association with the Great Depression, although not all episodes of deflation correspond to periods of poor economic growth historically.


I'm mentioning this because the topic of whether we will have a deflationary recession/depression or inflationary recession/depression will have very big consequences on our investment strategies.

It is and has been my belief that we are likely to be getting a more inflationary recession/depression over the next few years. So, as we are seeing the signs of deflation happening, commodities falling, house prices falling and stocks falling, we can take a look at what our Fed Chairman had to say about this.

He has provided us with his take on deflation and how it affected America in the great depression of the 1930's. He does not want America to have deflation and has provided us with his views on how to prevent deflation if it was to occur from a speech he gave in November of 2002 known as his "Helicopter Speech." Here are some samples from that speech that bear reading now as this credit crisis and wealth destruction occurs.

The U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. (ME: That's inflationary) We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation.

Of course, the U.S. government is not going to print money and distribute it willy-nilly (although as we will see later, there are practical policies that approximate this behavior).

Normally, money is injected into the economy through asset purchases by the Federal Reserve. To stimulate aggregate spending when short-term interest rates have reached zero, (Me: At 1.5% now and may very well go to 0% as he suggested) the Fed must expand the scale of its asset purchases or, possibly, expand the menu of assets that it buys. (Me: Buying $700 billion of toxic mortgage backed securities and now taking equity stakes in banks directly) Alternatively, the Fed could find other ways of injecting money into the system--for example, by making low-interest-rate loans to banks or cooperating with the fiscal authorities. ( ME: AIG) Each method of adding money to the economy has advantages and drawbacks, both technical and economic. One important concern in practice is that calibrating the economic effects of nonstandard means of injecting money may be difficult, given our relative lack of experience with such policies. Thus, as I have stressed already, prevention of deflation remains preferable to having to cure it. If we do fall into deflation, however, we can take comfort that the logic of the printing press example must assert itself, and sufficient injections of money will ultimately always reverse a deflation.


(Emphasis with underline and bold all mine.)

Our Fed and Central banks around the world are doing all they can to both alleviate the credit crunch and perhaps, without saying it, inflate away some of the debts outstanding via their actions.

So what's it going to be: Inflation or deflation?

Let's look at where we are now. Inflation in September showed year over year CPI increase in the US at 4.94%. This is down from 5.6% in July. If you have been holding anything yielding less than 4.94%, you have lost purchasing power. The hidden tax of inflation has eaten into your wealth.

US Treasuries maturing 3 years or less are all currently yielding less than 3%. It's no wonder Warren Buffett is selling his treasuries and buying stocks in great American businesses as per his recent Op-Ed in the NY Times. The world's greatest investor is not interested in negative rates of return, especially given the actions of the Treasury and Fed to print money and flood the system with ever more dollars that will likely lead to higher inflation.

In Warren's Op Ed to the NY Times, he states, and I think this is important, "Indeed, the policies that government will follow in its efforts to alleviate the current crisis will probably prove inflationary and therefore accelerate declines in the real value of cash accounts."

So what is an investor to do to protect his or her wealth in an inflationary recession/depression when real rates of return are negative? Here is a starting point.

1. Invest in business that have strong franchises and can earn high returns on capital or don't need to invest in a lot of capital each year just to stay in business. These businesses should be able to pass off the higher costs of production to their consumers and still make high returns on capital. Many of these businesses pay dividends whose rates are now far higher than money market and treasury yields.

2. Consider having silver or silver mining shares in your portfolio. Or, own physical silver, if you can find any as there is a big shortage at retailers currently. Precious metals have always been considered a hedge against inflation, so it only makes sense that under current conditions, one has some precious metals in their estate, even if it's just 2% - as much as 15%.

One of the most interesting things about silver that makes it so compelling now is the price in relation to gold. About 160,000 tons of gold have been mined in the history of the world of which nearly all of it is still around today. That's close to 5 billion ounces of gold out there. It's been estimated that there have been 44 billion ounces of silver mined in the history of the world. Modern industry has used up a lot of silver through its various uses and some has been lost to simple abrasion. So, it's been estimated that there may be only about 25 billion ounces of silver left in the world. That includes all silverware, jewelry, medals and of course, coin and bullion. Also, industry uses more silver than gets mined every year so the above ground supply can continue to shrink.

So, 5 billion ounces of gold in the world and perhaps as much as 25 billion ounces of silver make the ratio of gold to silver 1 to 5. Yet as I write, gold is 782.90 an ounce and silver is 9.35 an ounce making gold over 83 times more than silver! This means that silver is either drastically undervalued to gold or gold is simply way overvalued. I think the price of silver is drastically undervalued Vs gold and that is why I own shares of iShares Silver Trust (SLV) and for more speculation, shares of Silver Standard Resources (SSRI).

Source for this info about silver came from here and other sources I've read over the years in either books or articles.
 

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this is where me and the inflationists disagree

all this money is just going to service bad deflationary debt...it is not a net gain for the money supply....it is just making an extremely deflationary condition less deflationary

there is no trickle down affect with this....its gonna take years for banks to start getting back to normal lending practices....and the days of no money down loans to anybody with a pulse are likely over.....once all the regulation and other shit comes

japan did this type of shit it didn't stop deflation

as for the direct stimulus stuff like rebate checks, extending UE pay.....stuff like that which there will be another package soon....this definitely has more of an effect on the economy but still the deflationary forces of collapsing homes, shitty job market, and faltering savings in stocks can't make up for it

and probably most importantly of all....deflation is in some ways a mindset....if the average joe senses shit really is fucked up....and starts saving tons the economy is toast and deflation gets worse....we are going from an almost nil saving rate of income....we can only go up.......you need for people to continue to spend beyond their means to keep the inflation going

ben has it wrong the printing press doesn't hold the keys in the end....the debtor sheep make the decision

well unless he hops in a helicopter and physically starts dumping trillions over the cities of america so these dollars directly get in the hand of J6P :)

all inflationary bubbles originate for J6P in the end they hold the cards

if they shun debt and start saving.....you can print and lay all the debt out there you want....it ain't gonna make one bit of difference.....

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Normally, money is injected into the economy through asset purchases by the Federal Reserve. To stimulate aggregate spending when short-term interest rates have reached zero, (Me: At 1.5% now and may very well go to 0% as he suggested) the Fed must expand the scale of its asset purchases or, possibly, expand the menu of assets that it buys. (Me: Buying $700 billion of toxic mortgage backed securities and now taking equity stakes in banks directly) Alternatively, the Fed could find other ways of injecting money into the system--for example, by making low-interest-rate loans to banks or cooperating with the fiscal authorities. ( ME: AIG) Each method of adding money to the economy has advantages and drawbacks, both technical and economic. One important concern in practice is that calibrating the economic effects of nonstandard means of injecting money may be difficult, given our relative lack of experience with such policies. Thus, as I have stressed already, prevention of deflation remains preferable to having to cure it. If we do fall into deflation, however, we can take comfort that the logic of the printing press example must assert itself, and sufficient injections of money will ultimately always reverse a deflation.
 

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Iceland is gone- the first of the dominoes to fall. Food supply cut of by Central Bank. The Krona is the dollar in 6 months- worthless. Raids on supermarkets ongoing. Foodless Russia looking like the 4hr wait for toilet paper days- Putin looking very bad to the Russian people now. People being held away from getting their money from failing banks at gunpoint. Trading suspended as sellers overwhelm the Market.

Iceland and Russia have both embraced Capitalism just as THEY were about to destroy it...Oops...:smoking: Putin being punished by Central Bank for his little excursion into Georgia-
U.N (the Hive) did not approve...:nohead:




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