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Pennant fever? Not here



By John Romano, Sports Columnist
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Published Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:40 PM
<HR noShade SIZE=1>ST. PETERSBURG — Never let it be said Tampa Bay crumbled under the pressure of a pennant race.
When the Angels came to town last week for a showdown between the two best teams in the American League, we yawned. When the Blue Jays showed up this week for a key division series, our pulse remained steady.
And, in a remarkable display of grace under pressure, we continue to stay away from Tropicana Field in droves.
If this is pennant fever, when did we get inoculated?
The Rays have been the worst-drawing team in major-league baseball for the past two weeks, which is a little embarrassing when the rest of the country keeps calling Tampa Bay the feel-good story of 2008.
"To me, it's about how disheartening it is for everybody in the organization — the players, coaches and front office — to not see the excitement funnel its way into Tropicana Field," team president Matt Silverman said.
Granted, this is an old topic. It's not exactly breaking ground to say Rays fans have often led the league in apathy and were close to the top in ho-hum.
But, in recent days, the market has set a new standard for disinterest considering this is Tampa Bay's very first pennant race. For three consecutive games against the American League West-leading Angels last week, the Rays drew the day's smallest crowd in the majors. Then the Blue Jays showed up this week, and fans grew even more scarce.
"The TV ratings are high, and that's a great sign, but it hasn't translated to the number of people at Tropicana Field. It really takes the wind out of our sails," Silverman said. "We've poured our hearts and souls into making this a great draw, and a great fan experience. And to come home after a great road trip and have … the smallest crowds in major-league baseball was discouraging.
"We're proud of what we have done to turn the organization around. We've done everything we could to make it a compelling experience at Tropicana Field."
Look, there are plenty of sound reasons why the Rays are not among the best draws in baseball. The franchise is still relatively new, the team has been mostly wretched before 2008 and this is not among the richest markets in the country when it comes to disposable income.
So, no, you wouldn't expect the Rays to draw 40,000 a night like the big markets in New York or Los Angeles. And you might not even expect 30,000 a night like historic baseball towns such as Boston or St. Louis.
But 12,678? When the pennant is in sight?
Call it sobering. Call it disappointing. Soon, you may be calling it disturbing or threatening.
Because if you assume the attendance figures have been lost in the excitement of the division standings, you are naive. The commissioner's office has taken notice, and owner Stuart Sternberg has surely been paying attention.
And what they see is a community running out of excuses. It's no longer about poor ownership, because Sternberg's crew has done everything possible to reach out to the fans. And it's no longer about losing because the Rays have been among baseball's best teams for four months.
So if it's not about the team or the owner, then it is an indictment of the market or the stadium location.
Already, there are people in the organization who are suggesting it was a blessing in disguise for the waterfront stadium proposal to fall through. Already, there is talk that downtown St. Petersburg is hopeless as a major-league market and that a location in Hillsborough County might be the answer.
At this point, the only fallback St. Petersburg has is season ticket sales. Historically, teams do not see a major bump in attendance until the year after a successful season when season ticket sales increase.
The Rays, like most teams, do not release their season ticket figures, but it is believed they are in the 6,000-8,000 range, which would put them 29th in the majors, and a long way from 28th.
"What's going to be most telling is the response (to season tickets) this offseason," Silverman said. "That's where we are the most deficient."
There are those who would argue this is nonsense. Tampa Bay's attendance has risen from an average of 17,148 last season to 21,206 this season, and shouldn't that be good enough?
Yes, that's a nice start, but it's still near the bottom of MLB standings (26th of 30 teams), and tonight's Rays game will be the fifth time in the past six games they've drawn less than 16,000.
So, if you're sitting in the owner's box, how do you not look at a stadium more than two-thirds empty, while the team is in first place, and wonder if this is as good as it gets?
Once upon time, they offered free parking. Then they said you could bring your own food to the park. The Rays were even one of two teams in the majors to not raise ticket prices this season.
So my advice:
Heck, why not just hold out until they let you come for free.
John Romano can be reached at romano@sptimes.com.

<TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>Attendance
Rays vs. Angels

During the Rays' last home stand against the Anaheim Angels, both teams were in first place in their divisions. During the three-game stand in Anaheim in June, the Angels were in first place and the Rays were in second. These are the attendance figures for those games. <TD><TR><TD>At the Trop </TD><TD>At Anaheim </TD></TR><TR><TD>Aug. 18: 15,896 </TD><TD>June 9: 42,019 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Aug. 19: 15,902 </TD><TD>June 10: 37,610 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Aug. 20: 19,157 </TD><TD>June 11: 36,622 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 

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with the historic cinderella story they are putting together, im truly baffled over this lack of attendance. :think2:
 

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i watched highlights from the game vs. toronto with a classic pitchers matchup, and the place looked empty. what a shame
 

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neither team in florida deserves to be there. send both teams to somewhere that cares.
 

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There are not many people living in THE GULF OF MEXICO or in the body of water called TAMPA BAY. Terrible place for a location. There are no suburbs of St. Pete to the South as well. :ohno:


Put it By I-75 and I-4 you will draw from Orlanda, Tampa, St. Pete and all of FL.
 

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There are not many people living in THE GULF OF MEXICO or in the body of water called TAMPA BAY. Terrible place for a location. There are no suburbs of St. Pete to the South as well. :ohno:


Put it By I-75 and I-4 you will draw from Orlanda, Tampa, St. Pete and all of FL.

Couldn't agree more. It could go near Channel Side, on the water.
 

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There are not many people living in THE GULF OF MEXICO or in the body of water called TAMPA BAY. Terrible place for a location. There are no suburbs of St. Pete to the South as well. :ohno:


Put it By I-75 and I-4 you will draw from Orlanda, Tampa, St. Pete and all of FL.


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There are not many people living in THE GULF OF MEXICO or in the body of water called TAMPA BAY. Terrible place for a location. There are no suburbs of St. Pete to the South as well. :ohno:


Put it By I-75 and I-4 you will draw from Orlanda, Tampa, St. Pete and all of FL.


Knowing this, why did they build where they did?
 

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Knowing this, why did they build where they did?


30 years ago 275 was the only high way and Tampa did not grow out east yet. I 75 was completed later. More lanes going through Brandon than I 90 by O'hare Airport.


likewise Comiskey is a horrible location with nothing else to do in the area before or after the game in walking distance. Addison would have been a much better choice some 15 years ago for a new park. <!-- / message -->
 

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wow are the fans getting ripped. I heard 3 days of blasting people on not going. They even ripped the fans on the 6 O'clock news last night. One talking head had the best saying.

The Rays don't have fans they have "casual observers" :103631605
 

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There are not many people living in THE GULF OF MEXICO or in the body of water called TAMPA BAY. Terrible place for a location. There are no suburbs of St. Pete to the South as well. :ohno:


Put it By I-75 and I-4 you will draw from Orlanda, Tampa, St. Pete and all of FL.

THATS JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE. I'VE HEARD THEM ALL DOWN HERE.
 

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5Team - I think it would've been a big mistake for the Sox to build out in Addison. Most of their fan base is south of Madison St and NW Indiana. The area is starting to get built up. It may never be Wrigleyville, but ownership must make a total commitment too.
 

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Couldn't agree more. It could go near Channel Side, on the water.

I've been saying this for years. I had season tickets in year one, but I had to leave by the sixth inning to get home to be able to get up the next morning. By July, I quit going to games--they were better on TV.

Football is a destination sport. You can build a football stadium in the middle of nowhere (Foxboro, MA; Clemson, SC) and people will come because they are there all day and they usually bring their own food, etc. But the "evening sports" of hockey, basketball, and baseball need to be in places near the population center and there has to be "stuff to do" around them.

For years, Charlotte had it backwards. The football stadium is downtown (ever try tailgating in a parking garage?) and the old Hornets place was by itself out by the airport. It sucked. You had to go to park somewhere, go to dinner, get back in your car, park again.

The Rays could play out by Ray Jay, downtown, or even somewhere near I-75 and I-4 (Plant City, perhaps?) and draw more. Even closer to Tampa, like near Derby Lane would be better.
 

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http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/hillsborough/state-fairgrounds-rays-stadium-040810

Fairgrounds plan: New home for Rays?

Updated: Thursday, 08 Apr 2010, 9:45 AM EDT
Published : Thursday, 08 Apr 2010, 9:43 AM EDT
TAMPA - The day after the Tampa Bay Rays' opening day sellout in St Petersburg, former Tampa mayor Dick Greco was at the fairgrounds in Tampa, disclaiming rumors the developers he represents want to move the Rays to a new stadium there.
"Unfortunately, it started centering on baseball," Greco said. "A baseball stadium has nothing to do with what we're presenting today; never has at all."
Greco and his Virginia partners showed their conceptual plans for 160 acres of vacant fairgrounds property.
The idea is to make the State Fairgrounds a destination, with a sports stadium, hotels, retail, a pedestrian bridge over Interstate 4 to connect to the Seminole casino, and a monorail surrounding the site, with connections to hi-speed rail.
"This will work," Greco insisted. "It will work because of where it's located, and whether you realize it or not, the Hard Rock cafe casino across the street…they're drawing approximately seven million people a year."
Some board members worried about the state fair surviving all that development.
"You have a sport facility going, a concert in the amphitheatre, I see a lot of stuff going on. Makes me wonder where they're all going to be parking," state Agriculture Commissioner Charles Bronson observed.
There's also concern about agriculture taking a back seat.
"Our charter says we're here for agriculture. [It would] be nice to have the money, but on the other side it says nothing about having a shopping center," board member Billy Bowman offered.
Others, like board member Olin Mott of tire store fame, say its time to move to the future before it's too late.
"If want to go to Hong Kong, you'll never get to Hong Kong if you don't get out of the chair and make a move in that direction," he said.
Already the neighbors have their doubts about traffic and noise.
"I have issues with this unless they can guarantee our neighborhoods some kind of relief from some of these problems," said Joanne O'Brien of the East Lake Civic Association.
The board operates the fairgrounds without any tax money, relying on the fair itself, the Ford Amphitheatre, and the various shows put on there to pay the bills. Right now, they're running in the red.
And despite the comments, no one would rule out a baseball stadium for the Rays at the site. It's just one of the possibilities, however remote it may seem.
 

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http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article1096049.ece
Investment group forms to seek Tampa site for Tampa Bay Rays stadium



By Stephen Nohlgren, Times Staff Writer
Posted: May 19, 2010 10:03 AM
TAMPA — A seven-person investment group has been formed to assemble downtown Tampa land for a baseball stadium for the Tampa Bay Rays, a website backing that move announced Wednesday.
BuildItDowntownTampa.org declined to name the investors until all the land is under contract, probably in late summer or early fall.
With St. Petersburg threatening to sue anyone who interferes with the Rays contract to play at Tropicana Field through 2027, the announcement emphasized that the investment group has not been in touch with the Rays.
"We're hoping the lines of communication with the team can open soon so that everyone that wants to see this team remain in the Bay area can take part in the discussion," said website spokesman Ryan Neubauer.
Neubauer could not be reached for comment. In the past, he has characterized the website as an independent collection of people dedicated to promoting a downtown Tampa stadium site.
It has listed two possible sites: one in the Channelside district north of the St. Pete Times Forum and another one farther north. In February, the St. Petersburg Times reported that Tampa real estate broker Claire Clements was part of a group securing options on the Channelside property, with a set of plans showing a retractable roof stadium with an open view toward downtown. Clements could not be reached for comment.
 

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