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A complete disgrace, bordering on Treasonous. These skunks have no limits to how far they will sink to Undermine the POTUS, who is responsible for Foreign Policy. Bravo to the 7 GOPers that didn't sink this low, no matter their reasons, and special commendation to Susan Collins, a voice of common sense within the crazies. Hopefully the author's warnings will be correct, and this backfires. This Cotton seems like a real tool, following in the Footsteps of the very sick Cruz. Javad Zarif, the Iranian Negotiator who spent a dozen years of his schooling in the US, and probably knows the Constitution better then Cotton, had the appropriate response and comes off looking far more statesman like than these fools.

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Iran letter could backfire, GOP dissenters say

Republicans could alienate Democrats whose votes are needed to override an Iran sanctions veto.

By Burgess Everett and Michael Crowley

3/9/15 10:45 PM EDT
Senate Intelligence Committee member Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine speaks to reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, June 3, 2014, as she walks to a closed-door committee briefing. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

Sen. Susan Collins is one of a group of Republicans skeptical of Sen. Tom Cotton’s letter to Iranian leaders about nuclear negotiations.
Not every Senate Republican signed on to Sen. Tom Cotton’s extraordinary letter to Iran’s leaders, and several of those who didn’t are fuming about the freshman senator’s Monday-morning foray into nuclear diplomacy.

Some of the seven dissenters told POLITICO they have doubts about Cotton’s move, saying there are more effective means to force President Barack Obama to address Congress’ concerns about the deal.

With Republicans needing significant Democratic support to achieve their goal of derailing the talks — or at least altering the emerging deal — some senators said Cotton’s effort could backfire by injecting excessive partisanship into the debate over how best to prevent a nuclear-armed Iran.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker said he was approached to sign the letter by Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas, but he concluded it might set back his ultimate goal: veto-proof support for a bill he has sponsored requiring a congressional vote to approve or reject an Iran deal.

“I knew it was going to be only Republicans on [the letter]. I just don’t view that as where I need to be today,” Corker said in an interview. “My goal is to get 67 or more people on something that will affect the outcome.”

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) expressed doubt about her colleagues’ tactic of skirting the White House and trying to affect foreign policy by going directly to Tehran.

“It’s more appropriate for members of the Senate to give advice to the president, to Secretary Kerry and to the negotiators,” Collins said. “I don’t think that the ayatollah is going to be particularly convinced by a letter from members of the senate, even one signed by a number of my distinguished and high ranking colleagues.”

Indeed, the response from Tehran was the equivalent of an eye roll, with Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif concluding the letter “has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy.”


Meanwhile some Democrats warned that Republicans risked alienating some of the dozen or so Democrats who have pledged support for two GOP measures that could blow up the fragile talks. Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, who has not signed on to either a sanctions bill or to one allowing Congress to reject a deal with Iran, shook his head and sighed audibly when asked about the letter.

“It really makes it difficult. There was a time in Congress where politics stopped at the water’s edge on foreign policy. We gave the president whatever he needed to do his best. We could debate it, disagree with it,” said Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat. “Now I’m afraid we’ve reached a level here with that letter. It’s just, I could not think of a more overt effort to jeopardize peace negotiations.”

For his part, Obama accused the lawmakers who signed the letter of “wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran.”

“It’s an unusual coalition,” Obama said in brief remarks in the Oval Office. “I think what we’re going to focus on right now is actually seeing whether we can get a deal or not. And once we do — if we do — then we’ll be able to make the case to the American people, and I’m confident we’ll be able to implement it.”

Vice President Joe Biden issued his own strongly worded statement late Monday, saying the letter “is beneath the dignity of an institution I revere.”
“In 36 years in the United States Senate,” Biden said, “I cannot recall another instance in which senators wrote directly to advise another country — much less a longtime foreign adversary — that the president does not have the constitutional authority to reach a meaningful understanding with them.”

The letter, organized by Cotton and signed by 47 Senate Republicans, offered Iranian leaders a primer on the U.S. Constitution and warned that any nuclear deal with Obama but not approved by the Senate could last fewer than two years, when a new president takes over.

“We’re heading in a really bad direction,” said Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), a member of GOP leadership. “I’m going to do whatever I can do to slow down what I think is a bad deal.”

Democratic support is essential for Corker and other Republicans building veto-proof majorities for two bills they call essential to preventing a “bad” Iran nuclear deal.

Cotton insisted in a CNN interview on Monday afternoon that Democrats had been asked to sign on to the partisan letter, though a Democratic Senate source closely watching Congress’s Iran machinations first learned of the Cotton letter in a news story on Monday morning.

Corker’s bill would require an up-or-down vote by Congress on any deal that Obama strikes with Iran — and although a “no” vote would not bind Obama and bring down a nuclear deal, it would restrict Obama’s ability to waive economic sanctions on Iran.

The other measure, sponsored by Sens. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), would require new sanctions on Iran should Tehran leave the negotiations or violate its current agreements with the U.S. and its five negotiating partners: Russia, China, France, Germany and Britain.

Both measures are close to the 67 Senate votes needed to override the vetoes President Obama has threatened. The White House has warned that congressional interference could blow up the talks and lead to a possible military confrontation with Iran.

The perception of partisanship has caused Senate Democrats to back away from GOP measures in the past. Last week, after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell sought to fast-track Corker’s bill, 10 Democrats who have supported one or both of the Iran measures revolted at what they called an effort to “score partisan political points, rather than pursue a substantive strategy to counter Iran’s nuclear ambitions.”

The American Israel Political Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobbying group, has urged members of Congress in the past to maintain a bipartisan front, fearing that partisanship could undermine the goal of pressuring Iran to prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

Asked about the letter Monday, Menendez said: “You saw that it was a partisan letter. Tells you everything about it.”


Republicans’ defense of the letter is based on both the constitutional balance between the White House and the Capitol and the particulars of the agreement that world powers are pursuing with Iran.

But Obama officials say their agreement with Iran will be unlike a permanent treaty, which requires Senate ratification. In part that is because treaties typically last in perpetuity, whereas any deal with Iran would endure for a limited amount of time, probably 10 or 15 years.

Moreover, Obama doesn’t need Congress to cut a significant deal with Iran. He can suspend many of the sanctions the U.S. has imposed through his executive authority for as long as two years, and direct the U.S. to approve United Nations resolutions relaxing international sanctions on Iran.

But a vote of Congress would be needed to permanently lift crucial sanctions, including ones that have crippled Tehran’s financial sector. And Republican members of Congress say they have been shut out, left with little choice other than to alert the Iranians that though they appear powerless this moment, ultimately Capitol Hill’s support will be necessary for any deal Iran forges with diplomats.

“I worry about the president’s foreign policy. I respect the office and I respect the responsibility the president has. And I also respect what the Congress has to do,” said Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.). “When you have an administration that appears to be going toward a goal of making a deal and you don’t have any understanding of what that deal is and once it’s made you have no input on it? I think it’s a dangerous situation.”

Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) said he’d expressed his views on Iran by signing onto Corker’s bill, declining to criticize the Cotton letter’s tone even though he was absent from its signers. Asked if he’d left his name off that letter because it was inappropriate, Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) replied: “I’m not saying that. I just decided not to sign it.” (“I just didn’t think it was appropriate,” Flake told The Arizona Republic in a separate interview.)

Some sympathetic observers of the nuclear talks saw the GOP threat to undo any deal Obama strikes with Iran as overblown. Ilan Goldenberg, a former Obama Pentagon and State Department official now at the Center for a New American Security, likened the GOP’s role to its opposition to Obamacare: “There will be all kinds of threats to unravel the agreement.”

And given that Obama can waive many sanctions for up to two years, Goldenberg added: “By the time any president goes to Congress for final removal of the sanctions, an agreement will be so far along in implementation and the whole world will be so committed to the process that it will be very hard for any Congress to sabotage it.”

The missive to a hostile foreign capital directly challenging a sitting president letter shocked many longtime foreign policy analysts.

“I think that’s just at an entirely new level and I am really quite astounded,” said James Goldgeier, deal of the School of International Service at American University.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...-gop-dissenters-say-115922.html#ixzz3Txb51OxI
 

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[h=1]In Extraordinary Move GOP Senators Bypass Obama And Reach Out To Iran To Scuttle Nuclear Deal[/h] Once upon a time, there was a respected and sacrosanct unwritten rule in America when it came to dealing with both foreign allies and enemies.

The well-established notion that “politics stop at the water’s edge” was one that recognized that we can fight like cats and dogs on the topic of foreign policy within the confines of our own Union, however, when it comes to dealing with foreign powers—particularly our foreign enemies—we are all Americans who face challenges together and as a unified people. This approach has, indeed, been one of the very hallmarks of what has made America special since our founding.
Tragically, we can, today, officially retire this rule that has served us so well these many, many years.
Today, forty-seven Republican senators destroyed this time tested bit of wisdom by signing and sending an open letter to the leaders of Iran, informing them that any agreement entered into with the President of the United States may not survive beyond the next two years—unless, of course, Congress gives it’s support to whatever agreement the President negotiates.
It’s not that I disagree with these senators when they argue that any agreement with Iran represents a treaty between our two countries and, as such, ought to be submitted to the advice and counsel of the United States Senate.
I think they are right.
Indeed, in 2002, I agreed with then Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, Joe Biden, when he argued to Secretary of State Colin Powell that the Moscow Treaty on strategic nuclear weapons should be submitted to the Senate for approval—just as I agree that any deal we make with Iran should undergo such an examination and approval.
The difference is that Biden did not bring our adversary into the mix by sending a letter to the Russians informing them of the limitations on President Bush per our Constitution and why our adversary should beware of our own representative’s ability to negotiate a deal. Biden had the good sense to understand just how profoundly wrong such a move would be, a measure of wisdom sorely and terribly lost on those who participated in signing the letter than was delivered by these Members of Congress to the Iranians today.

Just think about this for a moment and let it sink in; forty-seven members of the United States Congress have informed our enemy that the President of the United States has neither the authority nor the power to deliver on any deal negotiated.
“It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress. Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.”

The mullahs must be having one hell of a good laugh over this one.
Taken at face value, the letter expresses a belief that the Iranians fail to understand how the American system works. Apparently, these Members of Congress believe that Iran’s leaders, despite the fact that the University of Tehran has one of the better law and political science schools in the Middle East, are not particularly well educated on how the American political and governmental system works.
As a result of these senators suggesting that our negotiating opponent lacks sufficient understanding of our system, Iranian negotiators must be smiling ear to ear today as anyone who has ever negotiated anything knows that there is nothing like having your opponent underestimate you when seeking to get yourself the very best deal possible.

Of course, the Iranians will no doubt recognize the letter for what it is—an attempt to undermine the United States President’s ability to make a deal that both parties can rely upon. In taking steps to suggest to our adversary that our own representatives may not be able to deliver on an agreement, these senators seek to accomplish their political objectives and kill the deal by going around the President and appealing to our adversary.
As one who has spent countless hours in negotiations, about the only thing better than being underestimated by my opponent is having knowledge that my opponent at the bargaining table does not have the support of his or her principal. This leaves my opponent constantly worried more about proving capability to the principal and far less willing to focus on the best deal for his or her side.
Either way, when I see a negotiating opponent deeply damaged by either of these two handicaps, I’m a very happy guy.

That is how the Iranians feel today—both happy and amused, courtesy of 47 United States Senators who have allowed their politics and ego to, once again, take precedence over the business and long-standing wisdom of the United States of America.

For those of you who despise the President of the United States, this latest turn of events will likely come as good news.
But then, you have long placed your enmity for this one man—who just so happened to twice be duly elected by a majority of your fellow citizens—above your willingness to honor and respect the Office of the Presidency and the long-standing traditions and understandings that have served this country so well for generations.
Your anger and hatred towards a man who will hold the presidency for just eight short years have caused you to lose the ability to recognize that unless these long established traditions and rules are destroyed by short-sighted people like these forty-seven senators, they will long outlive this particular president’s term of office.

How good it would have been if these Members of Congress had given this a bit more thought before putting politics ahead of country.
For those of you who believe we are making a mistake by entering into an agreement with Iran—an agreement to which I too may very well object once I see what the deal actually turns out to be—today’s developments will likely be welcomed news. By focusing your hatred on this one man, you have developed a complete inability to recognize that America survives all of its presidents, but may not survive the destruction of institutional rules that have worked since the beginning. We have ways to fight these battles within our borders. If the Senate objects to a deal being made without them, take it to the people and convince the President he is making a mistake sidestepping the Congress.

But you don’t enlist our enemy in the process of accomplishing goals that belong within our borders.
Of course, if you are one of these individuals who are incapable of seeing the terrible wrong done by these 47 senators because what you perceive to be near term benefits blind you to the long term damage, I completely understand that this article will have little to no impact on you. Only with the benefit of time and history will you come to understand the profound wrong that has taken place this very day.

Ironically, it is these same forty-seven senators who have long told anyone who would listen that our President’s biggest foreign policy error is that he allows our foreign adversaries to view us as ‘weak.’
I can tell you for a certainty that there is nothing that creates the appearance and reality of weakness like telegraphing to the individual across the table that the individual with whom they are negotiating has no power to make a deal. This is, without question, the ultimate expression of weakness.
Again, in America, we fight out foreign policy within our institutions —we do not bring our enemies into the process. Period.

But then, we can no longer say this, can we?
While most of those in the Senate who are members of the Republican Party chose to participate in this unprecedented action, it must be pointed out that there were seven Republican Members of that body who chose to put country first, and thank God for them.
While I may disagree with these senators on any number of issues, I will not soon forget how these seven Republicans showed great character by standing up to their associates who were all too willing to do something that would previously have been viewed as unspeakable behavior.

Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee and the current Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, leads the list of those who put country first and to whom we should all be grateful. He deserves to be honored as such by being mentioned within the confines of this article.
One more note on this—if you’ve been hard on the President for his executive order on immigration because you believe that he violated the Constitution, that is fine. There are, indeed, serious constitutional issues his actions raise and it is wholly appropriate that the matter is being decided in the courts.
However, if you support what these members of Congress did today in sticking their nose into where both the Constitution and sound judgment forbids them to go, you’ll need to forfeit your indignancy as it pertains to that executive order at once.
Where I come from, two wrongs don’t make a right—they only revoke the opportunity for the just to call out the unjust.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...gotiations-unprecedented-act-of-interference/
 

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A complete disgrace, bordering on Treasonous. These skunks have no limits to how far they will sink to Undermine the POTUS, who is responsible for Foreign Policy.

When Nancy Pelosi went to Syria in 2007, despite the Bush Administration expressly asking her not to, you said not 1 word.

When 3 Democratic Congressman (David Bonior, Jim McDermott, and Mike Thompson) traveled to Baghdad in 2002, over protests of the Bush Administration, you said not 1 word.

You are a laughable fucking hypocrite and dumb liar.
 

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When Nancy Pelosi went to Syria in 2007, despite the Bush Administration expressly asking her not to, you said not 1 word.

When 3 Democratic Congressman (David Bonior, Jim McDermott, and Mike Thompson) traveled to Baghdad in 2002, over protests of the Bush Administration, you said not 1 word.

You are a laughable fucking hypocrite and dumb liar.

The initial paragraph in this thread sounds good to anyone that just visited this planet a few days ago for the first time. But seeing that is highly unlikely, why bother kidding others, and yourself, that one party has ethical superiority over the other? Especially knowing that someone will immediately point out what you rightfully did. I don't get it. An epic fail.

 

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Javad Zarif, the Iranian Negotiator who spent a dozen years of his schooling in the US, and probably knows the Constitution better then Cotton

:):)

Cotton graduated from Harvard Law, you complete fucking imbecile. Oh, he is also a combat vet.

You are a pathetic joke.
 

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Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.
“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”
Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election.


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I've never seen anyone make such an ass of themselves with a joke of a thread like this.
 
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When Nancy Pelosi went to Syria in 2007, despite the Bush Administration expressly asking her not to, you said not 1 word.

When 3 Democratic Congressman (David Bonior, Jim McDermott, and Mike Thompson) traveled to Baghdad in 2002, over protests of the Bush Administration, you said not 1 word.

You are a laughable fucking hypocrite and dumb liar.

Quoting to emphasize the absolute hypocrisy of the OP, Spammy the sewer rat Kapo.
 

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I read that article yesterday, and couldn't believe what I was reading. Our government is becoming a total disgrace, sinking to new lows daily. We are becoming the laughing stock of the entire world, and for good reason. Seems like it's Dems vs. Reps in every issue that arises........internal bickering is leading to failed policies.
 

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I read that article yesterday, and couldn't believe what I was reading. Our government is becoming a total disgrace, sinking to new lows daily. We are becoming the laughing stock of the entire world, and for good reason. Seems like it's Dems vs. Reps in every issue that arises........internal bickering is leading to failed policies.
Couple A) the divorced couple with kids that get along civilly for the sake of the children. They put aside petty shit and find ways to get things done. They compromise. They act like adults even though they disagree.

Couple B) the divorced couple with kids who can't even be in the same room, argue about everything imaginable, they are an embarrassment and spend tons of money on lawyers with little regard for themselves and their kids. They act like children. All they do is talk shit about the other one and have no shame.

The kids in my example are the American people and we have couple B in power when we should have couple A.
 

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Not only did 3 Democratic Congressman travel to Baghdad in 2002, but Saddam paid for their trip.

[h=1]Indictment: Hussein fed money to spy for U.S. officials' trip[/h]
Guesser was completely outraged.

LMFAO
 
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Not only did 3 Democratic Congressman travel to Baghdad in 2002, but Saddam paid for their trip.

Indictment: Hussein fed money to spy for U.S. officials' trip


Guesser was completely outraged.

LMFAO

What's your point? This doesn't absolve the 47 GOP senators of yesterday's BS.

Big fan of what Jeff Flake had to say yesterday.
 

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1984 "Dear Comandante" letter from Reagan opponents in Congress to Nicaragua's Communist leader

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I've never seen someone start a thread only to get so embarrassed like this.
 

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I read that article yesterday, and couldn't believe what I was reading. Our government is becoming a total disgrace, sinking to new lows daily. We are becoming the laughing stock of the entire world, and for good reason. Seems like it's Dems vs. Reps in every issue that arises........internal bickering is leading to failed policies.

I think you should go on pretending something like this has never happened before. That way, you get to make a bunch of generalizations and not criticize the President.

Life is easier that way.
 

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A complete disgrace, bordering on Treasonous. These skunks have no limits to how far they will sink to Undermine the POTUS, who is responsible for Foreign Policy.

Hilarious:

The Californian Democrat spoke to reporters shortly after talks with Assad at the end of a two-day visit to Syria.
She said the delegation gave the Syrian leader a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert whose essence was that Israel was ready to hold peace talks with Syria.
She did not say more about the message, but Israel has previously made such talks conditional on Syria’s cutting off its support for hard-line Palestinian groups and Hezbollah.
“We were very pleased with the assurances we received from the president that he was ready to resume the peace process. He’s ready to engage in negotiations for peace with Israel,” Pelosi said.
Pelosi and accompanying members of Congress began their day by holding separate talks with Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem and Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa and then met Assad, who hosted them for lunch after their talks.

Pelosi’s visit to Syria was the latest challenge to the White House by congressional Democrats, who are taking a more assertive role in influencing policy in the Middle East and the Iraq war.

:):)

Guesser was real outraged by that, I'm sure.
 
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The point is quite clear.

"yesterday's BS"

LMFAO

That past poor behavior of Dems excuses the poor behavior of today's GOP? Makes sense. It's as if you're saying Guesser is hypocrite so then you should be a hypocrite as well. Clown stuff.
 

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