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The Berlin Wail

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, September 22, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Allies: The reaction of Europeans to our financial crisis has been one of disdain as they sit in cafes assured of U.S. protection. But then they want Barack Obama, who did nothing to prevent the crisis, to be our president.
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Europeans know a lot about bailouts. We bailed them out twice in the first half of the 20th century and spent most of the second half keeping the Soviets from marching to the English Channel. It's the U.S. that will save their backsides again in the war on terror. NATO is largely an American operation.
So it's with some amusement we hear Euro blowhards lecturing us on how to run the economy that made possible their freedom as well as ours.
An article in Saturday's Los Angeles Times quotes Hanna Evers, a cell phone retailer in Berlin. "I was taught that the USA was the motherland of moneymaking," she said. "And now all I see is a herd of headless chickens running around on Wall Street."
In Italy's Corriere della Sera newspaper, Finance Minister Giulio Tremonti compared the current crisis to corruption-ridden Albania in 1997, when pyramid schemes cost hundreds of thousands people their savings and caused civil conflict. "It is not the failure of a bank, but the failure of a system," he opined.
"It has been a problem of greed," Eric Aeschimann wrote in the newspaper Liberation, a voice of French intellectuals with a long disdain for the capitalist system. He expressed longing for the "good old days when bankers jumped out of windows."
America will survive this crisis, as it did when it rose out of the Depression to defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. But it may not survive if Sen. Obama becomes the next president. Obama shares the Europeans' faith in the nanny state, which uses socialist economics to redistribute income, not create wealth. Maybe that's why they like him so much.
A poll taken in 12 European countries shows people there have great faith in Obama for his big-government philosophy and for his goal of reining in American power. Forty-seven percent say relations would improve under Obama vs. 11% under McCain. Obama leads in favorability ratings, 69% to 26%. Only 33% favor us exerting "strong leadership" in world affairs.
So it's not surprising that Obama the rock star would feature Berlin on his 2008 world tour. A May-June Gallup poll found 62% of Germans want Obama elected president over just 27% who like John McCain.
A 2007 Pew Global Attitudes Survey found that 65% of Germans dislike American ideas about democracy, 64% dislike the American way of doing business and 87% have a negative view about the spread of American ideas. No wonder Obama felt at home in Berlin.
When Sen. McCain was fighting to forestall this economic crisis, Obama was doing nothing to support McCain's efforts. McCain backed the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005 to thwart what he called "the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole."
Where was Sen. Obama? Busy raking in campaign contributions from those very same folks.
Based on data released electronically from the Federal Election Commission on Sept. 2: Including contributions to lawmakers' leadership PACs and candidate committees from PACs and employees of foundering Fran and Fred, Obama in his few short years in the Senate rose to No. 2, with $126,349 received, after veteran Democrat Chris Dodd of Connecticut.
McCain tries to prevent the crisis and is loathed in Europe. Obama profits from the crisis and is hailed.
As the Europeans might say, c'est la vie.
 

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Europeans know a lot about bailouts. We bailed them out twice in the first half of the 20th century and spent most of the second half keeping the Soviets from marching to the English Channel. It's the U.S. that will save their backsides again in the war on terror. NATO is largely an American operation.

Stopped reading here.

Both in WWI and WWII Germany would have been defeated without America's help, just not as quickly. There is no proof that the Soviets would have invaded capitalist Europe if not for the American forces there. NATO is not only largely an American operation but was also largely created for American interests. And the war on terror would not even be an issue if America wouldn't stir up trouble everywhere and drag Europe into it.

This is exactly why so many Europeans dislike America - the unbearable arrogance and the unbelievable inability to look objectively at the state of the world and the American role.
 

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Stopped reading here.

Both in WWI and WWII Germany would have been defeated without America's help, just not as quickly. There is no proof that the Soviets would have invaded capitalist Europe if not for the American forces there. NATO is not only largely an American operation but was also largely created for American interests. And the war on terror would not even be an issue if America wouldn't stir up trouble everywhere and drag Europe into it.

This is exactly why so many Europeans dislike America - the unbearable arrogance and the unbelievable inability to look objectively at the state of the world and the American role.
Spoken like a true German.:missingte:missingte I personally don't give a flying fuck who Europeans like. When the shit hits the fan, you always have and always will look to America to bail you out.
 

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Spoken like a true German.:missingte:missingte I personally don't give a flying fuck who Europeans like. When the shit hits the fan, you always have and always will look to America to bail you out.

And your fat ass will be sitting on a bar stool while American soldiers do the work...gut hanging under your white cubs t-shirt exposing your hair navel...mustard dripping down your shirt...
 

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And your fat ass will be sitting on a bar stool while American soldiers do the work...gut hanging under your white cubs t-shirt exposing your hair navel...mustard dripping down your shirt...
I'm a Whitesox fan!!:howdy:
 

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Spoken like a true German.:missingte:missingte ... When the shit hits the fan, you always have and always will look to America to bail you out.

So, when exactly did America bail me or Germany in general out? I'm really interested in your answer.
 

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So, when exactly did America bail me or Germany in general out? I'm really interested in your answer.


The Marshall Plan suely helped!

Also it might not have been possible to defeat Germany without our Lend Lease Program to Great Britain & the huge amount of American arms sent to Russia. This, supply orientated help, might have been even more important than the actual military help the US gave the allies.

The Germans might have had the greatest military machine ever assembled,
they drove 1000 miles to the gates of Moscow!
 

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I guess defeating Nazism wasn't good for you.:ohno:

I'm most certainly not saying that it would have been a good thing if Nazi-Germany had won the war. But militarily defeating a country whose leader had been elected (in a way) and which the majority of Germans had supported almost until the very end is hardly what one can call a "bail-out", and it's definitely not an example where Germany has looked to America, except as an enemy.
Is that all you have to offer?
 

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I'm most certainly not saying that it would have been a good thing if Nazi-Germany had won the war. But militarily defeating a country whose leader had been elected (in a way) and which the majority of Germans had supported almost until the very end is hardly what one can call a "bail-out", and it's definitely not an example where Germany has looked to America, except as an enemy.
Is that all you have to offer?
I rest my case. You're helpless.:toast:
 

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The Marshall Plan suely helped!

Great! America spends a lot of money to rebuilt what they (together with the Brits) had bombed, not least knowing that quick economic success is important if Western Germany was to stay on America's side.

Also it might not have been possible to defeat Germany without our Lend Lease Program to Great Britain & the huge amount of American arms sent to Russia. This, supply orientated help, might have been even more important than the actual military help the US gave the allies.

The Germans might have had the greatest military machine ever assembled, they drove 1000 miles to the gates of Moscow!

Lend/Lease certainly did contribute, but was not decisive. The war was decided on the Eastern Front in 1941 and 1942, and in those years the supply was not enough to make a decisive difference.
 

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I rest my case. You're helpless.:toast:

You are out of arguments? Not that I'm surprised...

Since you obviously don't know - 'I rest my case' can be said when the opponent has (involuntarily) proved your case, not when he has disproved it. :)
 

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You are out of arguments? Not that I'm surprised...

Since you obviously don't know - 'I rest my case' can be said when the opponent has (involuntarily) proved your case, not when he has disproved it. :)
Like I said, you are helpless. Continue to believe that America is bad, and keep hoping BHO is elected.
 

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Continue to believe that America is bad, and keep hoping BHO is elected.

I never said America (as a whole) is bad. I only detest arrogant Americans like you and the writer of the article you posted, and the way the current American government conducts foreign politics, which is why I, like most people in the world, do hope Obama gets elected so that we don't get four more years of Bush.
 

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Great! America spends a lot of money to rebuilt what they (together with the Brits) had bombed, not least knowing that quick economic success is important if Western Germany was to stay on America's side.



Lend/Lease certainly did contribute, but was not decisive. The war was decided on the Eastern Front in 1941 and 1942, and in those years the supply was not enough to make a decisive difference.

It wasn't until Stalingrad in December 42 to January 43 that the fate of the German Armies began to tend downward, the tank battle at the Salient at the beginning of the 43 campaign really decided things! Lend Lease & huge shipments of arms to Russia certainly gave the allies hope when all seemed lost. Until Stalingrad the odds for Germany to achieve all its objectives were very high. They had the best generals, they had the biggest guns!
 

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I never said America (as a whole) is bad. I only detest arrogant Americans like you and the writer of the article you posted, and the way the current American government conducts foreign politics, which is why I, like most people in the world, do hope Obama gets elected so that we don't get four more years of Bush.
The feelings are mutual as far as the detesting goes. I know the world wants BHO. That is why I don't. You can have him.
 

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It wasn't until Stalingrad in December 42 to January 43 that the fate of the German Armies began to tend downward, the tank battle at the Salient at the beginning of the 43 campaign really decided things!

This is simply not accurate. Most historians agree that Germany had basically lost the war when it failed to win decisively in 1941, as even if the 1942 summer campaign had reached all its objectives (which it didn't) it would, in all probability, not have been enough to weaken the Soviet Union decisively. Kursk 1943 was just a last desperate German attempt without any chance for a strategic victory.

But I think it would lead to far if we were to discuss this in detail here.
 

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