The Bay Area Council leading the charge to overthrow Califorinia's government.

[3peet]

http://www.bayareacouncil.org/takeaction_ccc.php

And I agree 100%

We believe California’s system of government is fundamentally broken. Our prisons overflow, our water system teeters on collapse, our once proud schools are criminally poor, our financing system is bankrupt, our democracy produces ideologically-extreme legislators that can pass neither budget nor reforms, and we have no recourse in the system to right these wrongs.

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

We believe it is our duty to declare that our California government is not only broken, it has become destructive to our future. It is time to repair our system of governance.

Our state’s founders gave us the tool to take this step — with a constitutional convention. We can either be led to a convention by our elected leaders in the Legislature, or we can bypass any gridlock in Sacramento with a “citizen’s Constitutional Convention.”

When we initially floated the idea of a convention, we were met by waves of support from the public and lots of interest from groups around the state. It is now time to take this concept to the next level.

We will be gathering the state’s top leaders to review research, discuss process, begin building a coalition to support a possible convention, and solicit ideas about what should be included in the convention.

Sponsorship for today's convention is joined by CGS, Common Cause, Courage Campaign, The Greenlighting Institute, League of Women Voters, Planning and Conservation League, New America Foundation, and the William Velazquez Institute. Most of these parties are non-partisan, lobby organizations. Some may argue most of these parties carry a liberal agenda. Personally I don't give a shit, if they are, atleast we're doing something about the state of our state. (funny how that turned out)

This is a gonna be huge!!

 

[Tank]

Too many illegals in that state to take care of.

 

[3peet]

Illegals are a fraction of the problem.

 

[Tank]

Don't you guys have to pay to have your vehicle inspected every year too. Where does that money go?

 

[3peet]

Inspected? Not sure what you mean. As far as getting the car smogged checked and certified in order to be registered, yes and its an out of pocket expense. It's not annually but moreso when the state deems appropriate. It's either based on age and/or mileage.

As far as where it goes, I'd assume it goes to the service station I take my car to and maybe a piece of it goes to the state since these machines are linked to Sacramento for record keeping.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

3peet, Good to see people getting involved, but at this point in time it’s much ado about nothing. The article says hold a convention, to what end? The article does not elaborate. :think2:

 

[Kiln]

Inspected? Not sure what you mean. As far as getting the car smogged checked and certified in order to be registered, yes and its an out of pocket expense. It's not annually but moreso when the state deems appropriate. It's either based on age and/or mileage.

As far as where it goes, I'd assume it goes to the service station I take my car to and maybe a piece of it goes to the state since these machines are linked to Sacramento for record keeping.

You're right: the vast majority of the money goes to the station. The Bureau of Automotive Repair receives a portion of the $8.25 certificate fee and that money is used in administration, complaint resolution, enforcement, public education, and a little bit on research for the Smog program.

3, I'm not familiar with the Bay Area Council. At first glance it looks like a more progressive Chamber of Commerce. The only problem I see with the a new Constitution is that it'll require a 2/3 majority which means the Repugs will be able to do to a new cons what they did to the budget and that frightens me. But something has got to give, not least of which is getting Prop 13 thrown out.

It's disheartening to see another conversation about California and our future joined by someone from outside the State who rather obviously knows little or nothing about California's politics and economy. I've spent too much time in the past couple of weeks correcting people's misunderstandings on this board and frankly it's getting a little tedious.

 

[3peet]

Sorry Dave, I shoulda been clearer. This wasn't an article but instead a memo or announcement about the event in Sacramento today. The Bay Area Council is spearheading the convention. Its a gathering of all the various California think tanks and lobbyist's exploring ways to take radical (but constitutional) steps to clean house and overthrow California's government. The difference here is this isn't a bunch of hippies or students getting together on a college campus or street corner. These are highly influential organizaitons and lobbyist's who have most of states politicians ears. If you wanna learn more check out the links on the right side of the main page which has links to the sponsors and you can see what their about.

This got some brief coverage on CNN yesterday. To say the state capital is "nervous" about this convention is an understatement. Alot of seats are on the line today.

 

[3peet]

You're right: the vast majority of the money goes to the station. The Bureau of Automotive Repair receives a portion of the $8.25 certificate fee and that money is used in administration, complaint resolution, enforcement, public education, and a little bit on research for the Smog program.

3, I'm not familiar with the Bay Area Council. At first glance it looks like a more progressive Chamber of Commerce. The only problem I see with the a new Constitution is that it'll require a 2/3 majority which means the Repugs will be able to do to a new cons what they did to the budget and that frightens me. But something has got to give, not least of which is getting Prop 13 thrown out.

It's disheartening to see another conversation about California and our future joined by someone from outside the State who rather obviously knows little or nothing about California's politics and economy. I've spent too much time in the past couple of weeks correcting people's misunderstandings on this board and frankly it's getting a little tedious.

LOL, don't bother Kiln. Most outside the state think were made up of queers, illegals and gangbangers. Little realize we're a "nation state" (although right now were on the ropes reeling). This state has a higher GDP than many foreign countries. Agriculture is definitely one pillar, the rest are made up at Silicon Valley, Biotech north and south, the entertainment industry (including porn which generates numbers in the billions), wall street west, Napa Valley, state tourism, the ports of Los Angeles and Oakland, and on and on.

The state government fucked the whole thing up. I do have faith though that we'll be back.

 

[tiznow]

we can only hope cali is a preview of things to come nationwide and against federal government

 

[Dave007inVegas]

It's disheartening to see another conversation about California and our future joined by someone from outside the State who rather obviously knows little or nothing about California's politics and economy. I've spent too much time in the past couple of weeks correcting people's misunderstandings on this board and frankly it's getting a little tedious.
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If your remarks were directed at me read on, if not disregard the following:
You’re right I don’t know a lot about Cali as you like to call it other than it’s currently fubar. However I am interested so I asked a question and it wasn’t directed at you. 3peet gave me civil answer and I respect that. You on the other hand need to grow some skin, yours is awful thin. When I direct a question to you that you find tedious by all means tell me so, until then mind your own business.

 

[Tank]

It's disheartening to see another conversation about California and our future joined by someone from outside the State who rather obviously knows little or nothing about California's politics and economy. I've spent too much time in the past couple of weeks correcting people's misunderstandings on this board and frankly it's getting a little tedious.
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If your remarks were directed at me read on, if not disregard the following:
You’re right I don’t know a lot about Cali as you like to call it other than it’s currently fubar. However I am interested so I asked a question and it wasn’t directed at you. 3peet gave me civil answer and I respect that. You on the other hand need to grow some skin, yours is awful thin. When I direct a question to you that you find tedious by all means tell me so, until then mind your own business.

I think it was meant for me. I guess you have to live their to ask questions or have a opinion according to kiln.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I think it was meant for me. I guess you have to live their to ask questions or have a opinion according to kiln.

I suppose we’ll never know. cheers < our crayons got taken away so that will have to do.

 

[Kiln]

I think it was meant for me. I guess you have to live their to ask questions or have a opinion according to kiln.

It was, indeed, directed at Tank. What you say was your "opinion" was stated an awful lot as if it were fact, and either way it's simply wrong. Again, the data exist. The deficit is NOT because of undocumented workers. The extent to which undocumented workers are at all responsible for California's current budgetary woes--if indeed they are at all responsible--is debatable and there's conflicting data there, but few outside of the fringe right neo-nationalist/nativist crew thinks undocumented workers are the major contributing factor to our budget problems.

 

[Coldweather]

I think the solution to this here problem is threefold:

1. Sent the illegal's back to their our Countries today.

2. If someone is a member of a gang or even associated with one put them in prison for life and make them do community work like road construction and other big projects. If they refuse solitary confinement till they do the tasks.

3. Reduce Government in a major way by eliminate wasteful and unnecessary programs like affirmative action program, and consolidate others.

I have plenty more gooder ones too!

 

[Tank]

It was, indeed, directed at Tank. What you say was your "opinion" was stated an awful lot as if it were fact, and either way it's simply wrong. Again, the data exist. The deficit is NOT because of undocumented workers. The extent to which undocumented workers are at all responsible for California's current budgetary woes--if indeed they are at all responsible--is debatable and there's conflicting data there, but few outside of the fringe right neo-nationalist/nativist crew thinks undocumented workers are the major contributing factor to our budget problems.

I'm sure most problems are by the politicians but you can't say the illegals or ''undocumented'' like you want to call them don't contribute to it either.

 

[Omni]

"We will be gathering the state’s top leaders..."

And there's your first mistake right there.

 

[roadreeler57]

Too many illegals in that state to take care of.

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California's Problem........


I cross ocean, poor and broke,
Take bus, see employment folk.

Nice man treat me good in there,
Say I need to see welfare.

Welfare say, 'You come no more,
We send cash right to your door.'

Welfare checks, they make you wealthy,
Medicaid it keep you healthy!

By and by, I get plenty money,
Thanks to you, American dummy.

Write to friends in motherland,
Tell them 'come fast as you can.'

They come in suburbans and Ford trucks,
I buy big house with welfare bucks

They come here, we live together,
More welfare checks, it gets better!

Fourteen families, they moving in,
But neighbor's patience wearing thin.

Finally, white guy moves away,
Now I buy his house, and then I say,
'Find more aliens for house to rent.'
And in the yard I put a tent.

Send for family they just trash,
But they, too, draw the welfare cash!
Everything is very good,
And soon we own the neighborhood.

We have hobby it's called breeding,
Welfare pay for baby feeding.

Kid's need dentist? Wife's need pills?
We get free! We got no bills!

American's crazy! He pay all year,
To keep welfare running here.

We think America darn good place!
Too darn good for; the white man race.
If they no like us, they can scram,
Got lots of room in Pakistan . http://www.therxforum.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=18

 

[3peet]

obviously coming from yet another person who knows nothing about the state.