The American People Are Good!!!

[Rattler+]

The American people are good, the Canadian people are good, the European people are good, the Brits, Aussies, Japs, Turks, Iraqi's, Iranians, Koreans etc. I've met very few people one on one that I didn't like. Yes there's some I didn't like, but hey, if you drink enough beer you’re bound to find one that didn't taste good. I'm not left wing, right wing, socialist or capitalist. I'm just another Joe trying to make sense of it all. I'm just sick and tired of the American (North American) media giving one side of the story as fact. There's alot, too many, ignorant, stupid people who take what is in the media, what the media tells them, as the truth. What Bush is doing makes no sense to me anymore. It did at one time. The world has nothing against Americans, but many have it against America. And it's HIS FAULT! Don't let your US pride blind you. Be proud! Stay proud! But instead of blindly standing behind Bush, take a look at how the rest of the world perceives you now. It never use to be like this, never as bad as it is now. Ever. Take at look at the many freedoms you have lost. The American people have never lost so many free rights. And given them up so easily! Without any questions! But you’re told it's necessary to fight terrorism. Most believe it, and those who don't are afraid to say anything for fear of asinine accusations. It kind of reminds me of the Hoover era when Americans were afraid to say anything for being labeled a communist or a fag, while J. Edgar himself was dancing in his leotards, lipstick, wig and high heels telling himself how pretty he looked! Americans be honest ... How many really feel threatened by terrorism at home?

Sept. 4, 9 PM Kick-off Whoooo-Hooooo!!!!

 

[JackDee]

great post rattler, wish such a frank, honest and optimist post could sway a few minds, but being up front and making sense in one post weighs i fear way too little for years and years of spoon fed ingrorance and downright stupidity by the media.

 

[JackDee]

"The world has nothing against Americans, but many have it against America. "

very well said, let me add, here that the "oh they hate us" and "anti-american" adages are CONSCIOUS products of the media propaganda machine in a CONSCIOUS and VERY WELL ORCHESTRATED effort to polarise the u.s. people with respect to foreigners and to miss the actual points put forth. It's a millenia old tactic, a mixture of red herring and labelling, to polarise and divide for their own interests.

 

[JackDee]

It's very telling rattler, how a great post such as this one went both un-noticed and un-answered by the usual suspects.

 

[Shotgun]

Rattler obviously has never heard of the internet where all sides of all stories are readily available.

And I love the way he rails on the American media for only giving one side while spreading an urban legend like J Edgar Hoover being a cross dresser. Classic.

Almost as classic as saying the American people have never lost so many freedoms. Rattler obviously forgets about the 1950's, where complete segments of our society were banned from public facilities. Typical doom and gloom garbage, where the bad times of today are always the worst it has ever been. Why do people like that ever get up in the morning?

 

[JackDee]

"Rattler obviously has never heard of the internet where all sides of all stories are readily available."

That's wrong, all sides are indeed readily available but that does not mean that people look for them and read all sides, most stick to their good ol cnn, nbc, cbs or net equivalent.

"Almost as classic as saying the American people have never lost so many freedoms. Rattler obviously forgets about the 1950's, where complete segments of our society were banned from public facilities."

He was just overemphasizing today to make a point, that the american citizen should be much more alert to many civil liberties being cut back with some terrorist pretext and more taxes and spending are allocated to the military complex.

"Typical doom and gloom garbage, where the bad times of today are always the worst it has ever been.Why do people like that ever get up in the morning?"

Are we talking about the same post that starts with "The American people are good, the Canadian people are good, the European people are good, the Brits, Aussies, Japs, Turks, Iraqi's, Iranians, Koreans etc. I've met very few people one on one that I didn't like. "?!?!?!?!!!

 

[Rattler+]

Thanks for your comments JackDee. I've always found you to be one of the more intelligent and open-eyed posters on this forum.
And Shotgun. I don't know whether to laugh at or feel sorry for your ignorance.

 

[chonce]

Rattler,
Great post. The AMerican Mass Media is absurdly bias, and it is discouraging to have to see it cloud the mind of many of my fellow americans. THe patriot act, our pre-emptive strikes, eagerness to call anyone with dissenting views a traitor, etc... makes me at times embarrased to an american.


Sadly the bi-patisian nature of our political sysytem, as well as the irational preference to safetety over freedom,that has occured post 9-11, makes it seem almost futile to resist.


You can topple ideology, but not the armies they enlist. I will keep trying anyways.

Great post.

 

[Shotgun]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rattler:
Thanks for your comments JackDee. I've always found you to be one of the more intelligent and open-eyed posters on this forum.
And Shotgun. I don't know whether to laugh at or feel sorry for your ignorance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rattler, since ignorance is now a topic, let's go through your earlier post:

1)You say just about everyone you have met is 'good'. Then you go off on those you haven't met as "ignorant stupid people". Doesn't that seem a bit inconsistent? If everyone you met is a decent person, wouldn't it be logical to assume everyone that you haven't met to be decent as well?

2) The absurd quote that the American media is one sided. It is an idiotic comment that ignores the internet as a primary news source for millions of Americans. No one blindly believes anything that is written in the newspaper or said on TV. The days of Walter Cronkite are long gone.

3) You say the American people have never lost so many free rights. How about detailing some of these lost rights? Then we can compare civil rights abuses of today vs civil rights abuses in the past.

4) People in the US are afraid to voice their opinions out of fear of 'asinine accusations'? This hasn't happened...just follow the Democrat race for the Pres nomination to see how afraid these guys are to attack Bush. Recall the daily appearance of peaceniks appearing on cable networks to make a stand against the war.

5) The accusation that J Edgar was a cross dresser? This ruins your whole argument about the ignorance of the American people. You spread this lie after railing about how misinformed people are. Do you not notice the contradiction there?

Your arguments are all over the map Rattler.

 

[Rattler+]

Thanks Chonce,
It's very encouraging to hear that from an American. Like JackDee, you were able to see the post as it was intended to be written - not anti-American, anti-European, anti-Iraqi or anti-any country or people, but just the simple truth. I honestly don't understand why, or how, that which is so clearly deliberate and cunningly put forth as fact is accepted as such by so many people. And it's not just the American media that is to blame. We north of the border carry the blame as well. Rather than single out the US, I think it's important to put most of the blame on North America as a whole. We in Canada are spoon fed much of the same information as that of the American citizens. However, instead of accepting what the (generally government fed, especially during war/political conflict) media tells us and desperately wants us to believe as truth, I believe it's somewhat easier for Canadians to listen to and absorb what we are told through the North American media, think about it, and come up with our own independent thoughts and views. Sometimes we agree with what were told (Afghanistan), sometimes we don't (Iraq). I feel it's because the US is currently in conflict, and naturally Americans want to support their country. Americans are proud to be American, proud and protective of their country, as they should be. Unfortunately the government takes advantage of times like this through the media, embellishing truth and fact to a population that is in a very susceptible state. In Canada, we strongly support the US in any (99.9%) action. But much like the rest of the world, we didn't in the invasion of Iraq. I personally found it very confusing and frustrating that although the mission in Afghanistan - as an operation against terrorism - that Canada and most of the world fully supported and gave all that the US asked for (and then some) - seemed to be abruptly halted (at least media wise). Then a completely unrelated invasion of Iraq, which was very artfully and subtlely orchestrated through the media as necessary, was embarked on.
All the best Chonce. It's the millions of Americans like you that I'm proud to be neighbors with.

 

[kayaman+]

"The American people have never lost so many free rights. And given them up so easily! Without any questions!"

"And given them up so easily! Without any questions!"
That's the scariest part, most aren't even questioning it. Didn't Franklin say something about those that willing give up or won't defend their rights don't really deserve them?

"Almost as classic as saying the American people have never lost so many freedoms. Rattler obviously forgets about the 1950's, where complete segments of our society were banned from public facilities."

Are you talking about segregation Shotgun?
That doesn't compare, apples and oranges. That was racial discrimination based on the premise that blacks were sub-human and not entitled to constitutional rights. The Patriot Act allows the government to by pass constitutional rights.

 

[Shotgun]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kaya man:
"Almost as classic as saying the American people have never lost so many freedoms. Rattler obviously forgets about the 1950's, where complete segments of our society were banned from public facilities."

Are you talking about segregation Shotgun?
That doesn't compare, apples and oranges. That was racial discrimination based on the premise that blacks were sub-human and not entitled to constitutional rights. The Patriot Act allows the government to by pass constitutional rights.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In that specific example I was speaking of segregation, but there is no doubt that the civil rights of all Americans have been greatly expanded in the last 50 years. The historical context is lacking with many who are against the Patriot Act; they seem to forget the history of abuses by governmental authorities that have for the most part disappeared.

I have some big problems with the Patriot Act, but the hysteria over the law is rather amusing. Those fervantly opposed to this act have cried wolf countless times in their opposition to Bush, and have as a result lost any sense of credibility amoung most Americans. The Act expires in 2005, and when the Patriot Act 2 doesn't pass, it won't be the left that stopped it. It will be the right wing of the GOP led by Congressman Sensenbrenner who will deserve the credit. Of course, by then an earthquake will have occured in Ethiopia, and the left will be too busy blaming Bush for that to care about the Patriot Act.

 

[JackDee]

"In that specific example I was speaking of segregation, but there is no doubt that the civil rights of all Americans have been greatly expanded in the last 50 years. The historical context is lacking with many who are against the Patriot Act; they seem to forget the history of abuses by governmental authorities that have for the most part disappeared. "

That does not make any fvcking sense, read it again man, it does not, this is as non sequitor as it comes, man are your means of reasoning lacking...

That in a few words means, that since there has been a history of abuses by gov. authorities that have disappeared, and since 50 years ago it was far worse, so, we can introduce the patriot act. No fvcking sense at all man, read a course in basic logic, greek aristotle say...

 

[JackDee]

"5) The accusation that J Edgar was a cross dresser? This ruins your whole argument about the ignorance of the American people. You spread this lie after railing about how misinformed people are."

J. EDGAR was not a cross dresser, he was one filthy s/m bitch like the position he had required. A bigot, a "necrophiliac" according to Erich Fromm, a no good bitch that managed to spread death, and famine, and disgrace around the globe AND in the US, call me JFK, that now is dead and burried and we can spit on his grave for the no good piece of shit he was. A real humanist that one...

"2) The absurd quote that the American media is one sided. It is an idiotic comment that ignores the internet as a primary news source for millions of Americans. No one blindly believes anything that is written in the newspaper or said on TV. The days of Walter Cronkite are long gone."

How bout answering to my point for a change: "That's wrong, all sides are indeed readily available but that does not mean that people look for them and read all sides, most stick to their good ol cnn, nbc, cbs or net equivalent."

"3) You say the American people have never lost so many free rights. How about detailing some of these lost rights? Then we can compare civil rights abuses of today vs civil rights abuses in the past."

This once again comes to show how incapable you are in terms or reasoning, not a bad thing per se, but very bad if you think you can reason: So, slavery was once "legal", hence since it was once legal anything goes according to your argument, since in your words: "Then we can compare civil rights abuses of today vs civil rights abuses in the past."

 

[Shotgun]

Ahhh...the depressed little bitch is at it again.

Release the hate Jack. Life is so much better without the bitterness.

 

[JackDee]

btw, like i ve said before, thank god for people like chonce.

 

[JackDee]

"Ahhh...the depressed little bitch is at it again.

Release the hate Jack. Life is so much better without the bitterness."

Better start answering to them points man, instead of using the old ad hominem adage.

 

[JackDee]

as per usual... no reply, enjoy your blindfold.

 

[Shotgun]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JackDee:
as per usual... no reply, enjoy your blindfold.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jack, you bore me. Say something interesting and I'll interupt my handicapping to reply immediately. Until then, I'll do it on my own time frame, not yours. Now go out and kick a dog, or whatever you manic depressants do for fun.

 

[JackDee]

another ad hominem, take your time, just reply to the post for a change, oh wait, you can't reason...