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Not the incompetent W, the worst POTUS in History, but the one who is the greatest POTUS of our lifetimes, George HW Bush.

In Biography, George H.W. Bush Slams 'Iron-Ass' Cheney, Rumsfeld

by Carrie Dann and Andrew Rafferty

Jeb Bush told NBC News on Thursday that his father, former President George H.W. Bush, was attempting to "create a different narrative" by heaping criticism on former Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for their outsized influence in the White House.
"My brother is a big boy, his administration was shaped by his thinking, his reaction to the attack on 9/11. I think my dad, like a lot of people that love George [W. Bush], want to try to create a different narrative, perhaps, just because that's natural to do," Jeb Bush told NBC's Kasie Hunt.
"But George would say, 'This was under my watch, I was commander in chief, I was the leader. And I accept personal responsibility for what happened, both the good and the bad,'" Jeb Bush added.
According to the New York Times, the elder Bush told biographer Jon Meacham that Cheney "had his own empire there and marched to his own drummer." Calling the former vice president "iron-ass," the elder Bush said he "just became very hard-line and very different from the Dick Cheney I knew and worked with."

The former president also called Rumsfeld "an arrogant fellow" and suggested that his lack of empathy made him a poor public servant in George W. Bush's White House.
"I think he served the president badly," H.W. Bush said. "I don't like what he did, and I think it hurt the president having his iron-ass view of everything."

"There's a lack of humility, a lack of seeing what the other guy thinks. He's more kick ass and take names, take numbers. I think he paid a price for that," he said.

In a statement to NBC News, Rumsfeld said, "Bush 41 is getting up in years and misjudges Bush 43, who I found made his own decisions."
The former president's comments, detailed in Meacham's book "Destiny and Power: The American Odyssey of George Herbert Walker Bush," are sure to be seen through the prism of the presidential run of his other son, Jeb. The former Florida governor is struggling to regain political momentum, in part after questions about the dynastic nature of his 2016 run.
Jeb Bush said that Cheney, "served my brother well as vice president, and he served my dad extraordinarily well as secretary of defense."
"We have to get beyond, I think, this feeling that somehow 1991 is the same as 2001," he added.
In the book, George H.W. Bush doesn't shy away from criticism of George W. Bush, suggesting that some of his son's rhetoric - like describing North Korea, Iran and Iraq as an "axis of evil" - was ill-advised.

"I do worry about some of the rhetoric that was out there — some of it his, maybe, and some of it the people around him," he said of George W. Bush.
 

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Hey, what about the damage Clinton did allowing bin Laden and al-Qaeda to execute attack after attack? Or what about the current idiot Any mention of those things in his book?

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Another RINO who never got it and STILL doesn't...

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POwer does funny things to people. Even Colin Powell admits to changing his mind more than once about The Powell Doctrine and limited war vs decisive force.

"Axis of evil" was a phony quote because it was rewritten to avoid offending Muslim sensitivities. North Korea was just thrown in there for that no good reason. The best speech given before the Iraq war was the speech Tony Blair gave when he visited the US before the invasion.
 

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How bout Clinton letting Bin Laden go when he was in custody in Sudan?

Nah, let's not worry about that one, eh Guesser?
 
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HW actually said "If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched" in response to the question, “What will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?”.

Nice try, though.
 

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How bout Clinton letting Bin Laden go when he was in custody in Sudan?

Nah, let's not worry about that one, eh Guesser?

The Truth: Clinton Passed on Killing bin Laden?




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Q:Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden?
A: Probably not, and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against American citizens.
FULL QUESTION
Was Bill Clinton offered bin Laden on "a silver platter"? Did he refuse? Was there cause at the time?
FULL ANSWER
Let’s start with what everyone agrees on: In April 1996, Osama bin Laden was an official guest of the radical Islamic government of Sudan – a government that had been implicated in the attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993. By 1996, with the international community treating Sudan as a pariah, the Sudanese government attempted to patch its relations with the United States. At a secret meeting in a Rosslyn, Va., hotel, the Sudanese minister of state for defense, Maj. Gen. Elfatih Erwa, met with CIA operatives, where, among other things, theydiscussed Osama bin Laden.
It is here that things get murky. Erwa claims that he offered to hand bin Laden over to the United States. Key American players – President Bill Clinton, then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and Director of Counterterrorism Richard Clarke among them – have testified there were no "credible offers" to hand over bin Laden. The 9/11 Commission found "no credible evidence" that Erwa had ever made such an offer. On the other hand, Lawrence Wright, in his Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Looming Tower," flatly states that Sudan did make such an offer. Wright bases his judgment on an interview with Erwa and notes that those who most prominently deny Erwa’s claims were not in fact present for the meeting.
Wright and the 9/11 Commission do agree that the Clinton administration encouraged Sudan to deport bin Laden back to Saudi Arabia and spent 10 weeks trying to convince the Saudi government to accept him. One Clinton security official told The Washington Post that they had "a fantasy" that the Saudi government would quietly execute bin Laden. When the Saudis refused bin Laden’s return, Clinton officials convinced the Sudanese simply to expel him, hoping that the move would at least disrupt bin Laden’s activities.
Much of the controversy stems from claims that President Clinton made in a February 2002 speech and then retracted in his 2004 testimony to the 9/11 Commission. In the 2002 speechClinton seems to admit that the Sudanese government offered to turn over bin Laden:
Clinton: So we tried to be quite aggressive with them [al Qaeda]. We got – well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we’d been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, ’cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn’t and that’s how he wound up in Afghanistan.
Clinton later claimed to have misspoken and stated that there had never been an offer to turn over bin Laden. It is clear, however, that Berger, at least, did consider the possibility of bringing bin Laden to the U.S., but, as he told The Washington Post in 2001, "The FBI did not believe we had enough evidence to indict bin Laden at that time, and therefore opposed bringing him to the United States." According to NewsMax.com, Berger later emphasized in an interview with WABC Radio that, while administration officials had discussed whether or not they had ample evidence to indict bin Laden, that decision "was not pursuant to an offer by the Sudanese."
So on one side, we have Clinton administration officials who say that there were no credible offers on the table, and on the other, we have claims by a Sudanese government that was (and still is) listed as an official state sponsor of terrorism. It’s possible, of course, that both sides are telling the truth: It could be that Erwa did make an offer, but the offer was completely disingenuous. What is clear is that the 9/11 Commission report totally discounts the Sudanese claims. Unless further evidence arises, that has to be the final word.
Ultimately, however, it doesn’t matter. What is not in dispute at all is the fact that, in early 1996, American officials regarded Osama bin Laden as a financier of terrorism and not as a mastermind largely because, at the time, there was no real evidence that bin Laden had harmed American citizens. So even if the Sudanese government really did offer to hand bin Laden over, the U.S. would have had no grounds for detaining him. In fact, the Justice Department did not secure an indictment against bin Laden until 1998 – at which point Clinton did order a cruise missile attack on an al Qaeda camp in an attempt to kill bin Laden.
We have to be careful about engaging in what historians call "Whig history," which is the practice of assuming that historical figures value exactly the same things that we do today. It’s a fancy term for those "why didn’t someone just shoot Hitler in 1930?" questions that one hears in dorm-room bull sessions. The answer, of course, is that no one knew quite how bad Hitler was in 1930. The same is true of bin Laden in 1996.
Correction: We originally answered this question with a flat ‘yes’ early this week, based on the account in "The Looming Tower," but an alert reader pointed out to us the more tangled history laid out in the 9/11 Commission report. We said flatly that Sudan had made such an offer. We have deleted our original answer and are posting this corrected version in its place.
– Joe Miller
Sources

"1996 CIA Memo to Sudanese Official." Washington Post, 3 Oct. 2001.
9/11 Commission. 9/11 Commission Report Notes. 21 Aug. 2004. 17 Jan. 2008.
9/11 Commission. "Chapter 4: Responses to al Qaeda’s Initial Assaults." 21 Aug. 2004. 9/11 Commission Report. 17 Jan. 2008.
NewsMax.com. "Berger Flashback: Hard Spin on Sudan Offer," 19 July 2004.
Clarke, Richard. Testimony before the House and Senate Intelligence Committee. Lindsey Graham, Chair. 11 June 2002.
Clinton, William. Speech to the Long Island Association. Long Island, NY, Feb. 2002.
Gellman, Barton. "U.S. Was Foiled Multiple Times in Efforts To Capture Bin Laden or Have Him Killed." Washington Post, 3 Oct. 2001.
U.S. Grand Jury Indictment Against Usama bin Laden. United States District Court: Southern District of New York. 6 Nov. 1998.
Wright, Lawrence. "The Looming Tower." New York: Vintage Books, 2006.



 

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Wow Guesser..this has been hashed so many times in here it's not really funny any more, and you guys keep posting the same Fact Check or whatever dumb ass article which is basically an editorial piece based on some witnesses who have no clue.

He has in his own words, on air, said he passed on it.

Fucking sick fucks you liberals are.
 

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Correction: We originally answered this question with a flat ‘yes’ early this week, based on the account in "The Looming Tower," but an alert reader pointed out to us the more tangled history laid out in the 9/11 Commission report. We said flatly that Sudan had made such an offer. We have deleted our original answer and are posting this corrected version in its place.
– Joe Miller
 

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Wow Guesser..this has been hashed so many times in here it's not really funny any more, and you guys keep posting the same Fact Check or whatever dumb ass article which is basically an editorial piece based on some witnesses who have no clue.

He has in his own words, on air, said he passed on it.

Fucking sick fucks you liberals are.
FACT Check are Facts. Your opinion is an editorial piece. Learn the difference. It'll help you become more normal.
 

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