Texas Loses Two More Recruits

[BigdaddyQH]

Charlie Strong has lost two more recruits . According to CBS Sports, Texas announced that Freshman LB Cecil Cherry and Red shirt Freshman RB Duke Catalon have left the program. This means that out of the five Florida players that Strong worked so hard to recruit, only one is left.

This seems to be a continuation of the problems that Charlie brings upon himself with his "Holier than thou", "My way or the Highway" attitude that he has. He can be very charming and promise you the world, but once you know him, you find out what a real arse hole he is. Texas has no chance what-so-ever of winning a Big 12 Championship with Charlie running the show. Two more years and he is gone.

 

[CoachCB]

Not sure what's going on over there w/ all the transfers. It's common when a new coach arrives to have transfers, but this is year 2. I still think Charlie is a good coach and will get it worked out. Texas is a top-5 coaching job in all of CFB. He has all the resources. We'll see what happens soon enough....

 

[WinOne]

Things are not really that good down on the 40 acres. I think part of the issue is that coach Stong was not UT's #1 choice and it's being used against him in recruiting. Heck he wasn't even in the top 5 or 6 if you ask some. Also he's not making the kind of headway on the HS campuses because of his personality. The HS coaches have been very reluctant to embrace him. I don't think he's at Texas beyond year 3, which would be unfortunate for a university that has everything. I just remember the coaching wilderness they wandered through between DKR and Mack Brown.

 

[CoachCB]

Things are not really that good down on the 40 acres. I think part of the issue is that coach Stong was not UT's #1 choice and it's being used against him in recruiting. Heck he wasn't even in the top 5 or 6 if you ask some. Also he's not making the kind of headway on the HS campuses because of his personality. The HS coaches have been very reluctant to embrace him. I don't think he's at Texas beyond year 3, which would be unfortunate for a university that has everything. I just remember the coaching wilderness they wandered through between DKR and Mack Brown.

Other than Saban (which probably wasn't a realistic choice), who was at the top of their list?

Charlie probably had the best pedigree of any assistant coach in America before he became a head coach at Louisville....where he was overwhelmingly successful;

He was DC under: Holtz, Spurrier, and Meyer. Other than Saban, he's coached for some of the best/most successful head coaches in the game over the last 20+ years.

He's recruited against the best in the SEC and he built a lot of relationships w/ HS coaches around the SE (so, not sure why it would be different in Texas). His roster is probably 70% black kids....and guess what? He's black! Why would he not be able to recruit and relate to the kids in Texas? He brought in a great coaching staff, who all have a background as good recruiters.

I think he turns it around. Kids will transfer out, it happens. Count me as someone who will be surprised if he fails.

 

[DropDimes]

Other than Saban (which probably wasn't a realistic choice), who was at the top of their list?

Charlie probably had the best pedigree of any assistant coach in America before he became a head coach at Louisville....where he was overwhelmingly successful;

He was DC under: Holtz, Spurrier, and Meyer. Other than Saban, he's coached for some of the best/most successful head coaches in the game over the last 20+ years.

He's recruited against the best in the SEC and he built a lot of relationships w/ HS coaches around the SE (so, not sure why it would be different in Texas). His roster is probably 70% black kids....and guess what? He's black! Why would he not be able to recruit and relate to the kids in Texas? He brought in a great coaching staff, who all have a background as good recruiters.

I think he turns it around. Kids will transfer out, it happens. Count me as someone who will be surprised if he fails.

No inside knowledge, but I would guess Harbaugh, Tomlin, Gruden, and possibly even Dantonio were higher on their list than Charlie Strong.

 

[GoSooners]

Things are not really that good down on the 40 acres. I think part of the issue is that coach Stong was not UT's #1 choice and it's being used against him in recruiting. Heck he wasn't even in the top 5 or 6 if you ask some. Also he's not making the kind of headway on the HS campuses because of his personality. The HS coaches have been very reluctant to embrace him. I don't think he's at Texas beyond year 3, which would be unfortunate for a university that has everything. I just remember the coaching wilderness they wandered through between DKR and Mack Brown.

It's unfortunate for Charlie. I think he would make a great coach under better circumstances at a different school...But I agree, I doubt he'll make it beyond year three. Of course winning cures everything. But that's going to be tough to do with so many Big 12 schools ahead of them right now to make much headway on in the next couple of years...

 

[loomis41973]

No inside knowledge, but I would guess Harbaugh, Tomlin, Gruden, and possibly even Dantonio were higher on their list than Charlie Strong.

Dantonio would be great for TX.

 

[WinOne]

Other than Saban (which probably wasn't a realistic choice), who was at the top of their list?

Charlie probably had the best pedigree of any assistant coach in America before he became a head coach at Louisville....where he was overwhelmingly successful;

He was DC under: Holtz, Spurrier, and Meyer. Other than Saban, he's coached for some of the best/most successful head coaches in the game over the last 20+ years.

He's recruited against the best in the SEC and he built a lot of relationships w/ HS coaches around the SE (so, not sure why it would be different in Texas). His roster is probably 70% black kids....and guess what? He's black! Why would he not be able to recruit and relate to the kids in Texas? He brought in a great coaching staff, who all have a background as good recruiters.

I think he turns it around. Kids will transfer out, it happens. Count me as someone who will be surprised if he fails.

Coach the Saban rumor were true but not likely
D'Antonio from Mich St
David Shaw from Stanford was high on the list
James Franklin but he took the Penn St job
Mora at UCLA, but I believe he got a new contract and more $$$ for his assistants
The even flirted with a couple of NFL'ers. I might add that if they could have gotten Todd Graham from ASU, he would have been ahead of Strong but because of the agreement Patterson made with the ASU President, he could not approach Graham. Strong did not interview well but he was the only name coach that did not turn them down.
Winning does cure all ills but this is more of a cultural/personality mix. Running kids off typically takes place in year #1. By year #2, they should be drinking your Kool-aid and onboard with the program. I'm not hearing that and it's not evident on the field. I'm not sure whats going on. I know he succeeded at L'Ville, but that was a down Big East conference where they were not really challenged. Again, not wishing anything bad on the guy or the school, it just seems like there is a bad funk going on down there and he's gonna be the fall guy because he's the outsider.

 

[WinOne]

I might add he's not polished like a James Franklin, David Shaw, or even Kevin Sumlin. When you hear him talk, you dont think HC. And to get to those black kids that he's recruiting you have to get past some of the white coaches that coach them currently in HS. But winning cures everything and will shut up a lot of folks. In the mean time, good players continue to leave the program....

 

[loomis41973]

He will be a success some where. TX is not that place

 

[WinOne]

Other than Saban (which probably wasn't a realistic choice), who was at the top of their list?

Charlie probably had the best pedigree of any assistant coach in America before he became a head coach at Louisville....where he was overwhelmingly successful;

He was DC under: Holtz, Spurrier, and Meyer. Other than Saban, he's coached for some of the best/most successful head coaches in the game over the last 20+ years.

He's recruited against the best in the SEC and he built a lot of relationships w/ HS coaches around the SE (so, not sure why it would be different in Texas). His roster is probably 70% black kids....and guess what? He's black! Why would he not be able to recruit and relate to the kids in Texas? He brought in a great coaching staff, who all have a background as good recruiters.

I think he turns it around. Kids will transfer out, it happens. Count me as someone who will be surprised if he fails.

Coach,
You mentioned that Strong was a DC under Holts, Spurrier, and Meyer in the SEC. All good points. But he had the backing of the name Holtz, Spurrier, and Meyer when he was on the recruiting trail and many of the HS coaches he went to talk with knew the name Holtz, Spurrier, and Meyer. It does make a difference when you are the man and in a state where you had not recruited previously. I was talking to a buddy about this in the office here. Strong is stiff, even relating to black people. He's just not a guy that black people relate to. I know that sound crazy as heck, but my buddy who is black told me this and they recruited his kid. BTW, my buddy got is degree from Southern Illinois. His kid is going to A&M. Said Sumlin made him and his wife feel more at home. Come down anytime you want to visit, here's my contact info and this is his position coach. You're welcome to come down to see your kid whenever you want.

 

[CoachCB]

WO, you know more about the situation than I do. I've followed Strong for 25 years (since he came to UF w/ Spurrier as the DL coach). I'm sure the real story is somewhere in the middle. He's never been unsuccessful (as an assistant or head coach). So I expect he figures it out, if they give him the time.

For what it's worth, Michigan just had the 8th transfer since Harbaugh took over. Transfers happen....even when there's no coaching change.

 

[WinOne]

WO, you know more about the situation than I do. I've followed Strong for 25 years (since he came to UF w/ Spurrier as the DL coach). I'm sure the real story is somewhere in the middle. He's never been unsuccessful (as an assistant or head coach). So I expect he figures it out, if they give him the time.

For what it's worth, Michigan just had the 8th transfer since Harbaugh took over. Transfers happen....even when there's no coaching change.

Agreed. I'm an outsider down there but I think it's more about "FIT" than anything else. I hope he's successful because I do think he can coach ball. It just doesn't seem like the fit is there.
GL to your Gators this year!!

 

[BigdaddyQH]

Strong will never "fit" in a Power 5 Conference. Kids of that caliber are not going to buy into His "Holier than thou" B.S. He was the 6th or 7th choice at Texas. Here is the important thing to remember. Strong was hired BEFORE A.D. Patterson was. Both men are hated in Austin, but Patterson may try to save his own tail by firing Strong. It is a shame that the Texas Athletic Department has taken such a huge bowl movement with the hiring of Patterson and Strong. People say that Texas is Texas, and will be back in a year or two. Here is a little hint. Oklahoma is widely considered to be the 2nd most popular school in the Big 12 and their football team has been a contender for many years in a row now, but Oklahoma cannot beat Baylor or TCU, either on the football field, or in the recruiting wars. How does Texas plan to get back into the game with a team that has lost 21 games in their past 4 years, compared to 12 for Baylor, 13 for Oklahoma. 14 for Kansas State, and 15 for Oklahoma State. In their three years in the Big 12, TCU has lost 15 games. Texas has lost 16. Texas is in for a long run of mediocrity as long as Patterson and Strong are there. Remember what conference they play in. The Big 12 is not known for their recruiting prowess.

 

[DropDimes]

Strong will never "fit" in a Power 5 Conference. Kids of that caliber are not going to buy into His "Holier than thou" B.S. He was the 6th or 7th choice at Texas. Here is the important thing to remember. Strong was hired BEFORE A.D. Patterson was. Both men are hated in Austin, but Patterson may try to save his own tail by firing Strong. It is a shame that the Texas Athletic Department has taken such a huge bowl movement with the hiring of Patterson and Strong. People say that Texas is Texas, and will be back in a year or two. Here is a little hint. Oklahoma is widely considered to be the 2nd most popular school in the Big 12 and their football team has been a contender for many years in a row now, but Oklahoma cannot beat Baylor or TCU, either on the football field, or in the recruiting wars. How does Texas plan to get back into the game with a team that has lost 21 games in their past 4 years, compared to 12 for Baylor, 13 for Oklahoma. 14 for Kansas State, and 15 for Oklahoma State. In their three years in the Big 12, TCU has lost 15 games. Texas has lost 16. Texas is in for a long run of mediocrity as long as Patterson and Strong are there. Remember what conference they play in. The Big 12 is not known for their recruiting prowess.

Could you elaborate where you are getting your recruiting statistics from? I know you hate when people don't have stats, so was just curious on yours since Oklahoma has beaten Baylor and TCU in both overall average star rating and number of 4*'s the past two years according to rivals.

2015:
OU - 14 4*'s 3.58 average star rating
Baylor - 4 4*'s 2.95 average
TCU - 1 4* 2.91 average

2014:
OU - 8 4*'s 3.22 average
Baylor - 2 4*'s 2.96 average
TCU - 1 4* 2.61 average

 

[GoSooners]

Could you elaborate where you are getting your recruiting statistics from? I know you hate when people don't have stats, so was just curious on yours since Oklahoma has beaten Baylor and TCU in both overall average star rating and number of 4*'s the past two years according to rivals.

2015:
OU - 14 4*'s 3.58 average star rating
Baylor - 4 4*'s 2.95 average
TCU - 1 4* 2.91 average

2014:
OU - 8 4*'s 3.22 average
Baylor - 2 4*'s 2.96 average
TCU - 1 4* 2.61 average

How dare you question Junk. He IS the Big 12 guru around here.

 

[clowncar]

While I agree that Strong doing it the right way for the program and the kids he recruits has potential to backfire on him before he has the chance to reap the benefits of changing the entitled culture in Austin, I would phrase it a little different ... like ... "These hatchet wound, spineless kids aren't going to put up with rules, hard work and going to class".

It could send a pretty bad message for his tenure to be short. I am cheering for him.

Incidentally, his kids at Louisville played VERY hard for him. So, if he can somehow get the majority of the backing of the power alumni, boosters and administration, I think he will end up with the right kind of kids for what he wants to do.

I do think he is going to have to become more open when it comes to offensive scheme. Even with Teddy BW he was pretty conservative.

Also, the Saban rumors were true. They pursued him and almost got him.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Could you elaborate where you are getting your recruiting statistics from? I know you hate when people don't have stats, so was just curious on yours since Oklahoma has beaten Baylor and TCU in both overall average star rating and number of 4*'s the past two years according to rivals.

2015:
OU - 14 4*'s 3.58 average star rating
Baylor - 4 4*'s 2.95 average
TCU - 1 4* 2.91 average

2014:
OU - 8 4*'s 3.22 average
Baylor - 2 4*'s 2.96 average
TCU - 1 4* 2.61 average

He's just haunted by visions of Vince Young and confetti.

Oklahoma and Texas recruit at a different level than TCU and Baylor. Always have,always will.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

He's just haunted by visions of Vince Young and confetti.

Oklahoma and Texas recruit at a different level than TCU and Baylor. Always have,always will.

Paradise, you are by far the biggest idiot here. By far. If you are dumb enough to think that Texas out-recruited Baylor or TCU this past recruiting season, you deserve to have your worthless arse kicked out of here. If what you say is true, (and it is not), care to explain why BOTH Oklahoma and Texas are getting their tails kicked big time by Baylor in the past two seasons? Baylor outscored OU to the tune of 89-26 in the past two seasons and Texas 58-17 in those seasons. Yet you and the other Big 12-2 homers in here still insist that OU and Texas are oyt-recruiting Baylor? If that is so, what is your excuse for those two teams getting their worthess arses handed to them for the past two years? Is it the Coaching?

Homers are the absolute worst people to listen to when they are talking about their own conference. Nothing but hopes, prayers, and a bunch of B.S. comes out of their mouths, but when it comes time to put up or shut up, the only two things that come of their mouths is whining and excuses. As we speak, homers from all conferences are all ready hard at work figuring out their excuses for their failures this season. Homers are a joke. These are the wanna-be's that do not have a pot to pee in but want you to think that they do.

 

[DropDimes]

BD - So I will take it you were just making up your own recruiting wins/rankings in your head based on wins and losses, rather than actual recruiting rankings, correct?

People that pretend to have a ton of knowledge about something, get proven wrong by facts, and then ignore the response where they are proven wrong are the absolute worst people on this board. They are wanna-be's trying to get messageboard cred and act big time online. Am I doing this right?