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So what really is unfolding under Term #2 under King George ?

Flattery is mandatory ... dissent is forbidden and erring without admitting mistake is the best way to get ahead .... W., who was the loyalty enforcer for his father's administration, is now the loyalty enforcer for his own.
Those promoted to be in charge of our security, diplomacy and civil liberties were rewarded for being more loyal to Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney than to the truth.

The president and vice president are dispatching their toadies to the agencies to quell dissent. The crackdown seems bizarre, since hardly anyone dared to disagree with them anyway and there were plenty willing to twist the truth for them.

Consider George Tenet, who assured Mr. Bush that the weak case on Iraqi W.M.D. was "a slam-dunk.'' And Colin Powell, who caved and made the bogus U.N. case for war. Then, when he wanted to stay a bit longer to explore Mideast opportunities arising from Arafat's death, he got shoved out by a president irked by the diplomat's ambivalence and popularity.

Mr. Bush prefers more panting enablers, like Alberto Gonzales. You wanna fry criminals or torture prisoners? Sure thing, boss.

W. and Vice want to extend their personal control over bureaucracies they thought had impeded their foreign policy. It's alarming to learn that they regard their first-term foreign policy - a trumped-up war and bungled occupation, an estrangement from our old allies and proliferating nuclear ambitions in North Korea, Iran and Russia - as impeded. What will an untrammeled one look like?

The post-election hubris has infected Capitol Hill. Law-and-order House Republicans changed the rules so Tom DeLay can stay as majority leader even if he's indicted; Senate Republicans are threatening to rule Democratic filibusters out of order.

In 2002, Cheney & Co. set up their own C.I.A. in the Pentagon to bypass the C.I.A. and conjure up evidence on Iraqi W.M.D. Now Mr. Cheney has sent his lackey, Porter Goss, who helped him try to suffocate the 9/11 commission, to bully the C.I.A. into falling into line.

In an ominous echo of the old loyalty oaths, Mr. Goss has warned employees at the agency that their job is to "support the administration and its policies in our work.''

Mr. Bush doesn't want any more leaks, like the one showing that he was told two months before invading Iraq that such a move could lead to violent internal conflict and more support for radical Islamists.

Mr. Goss has managed to make the dysfunctional C.I.A. even more dysfunctional. Instead of going after Al Qaeda, he's busy purging top-level officials who had been going after Al Qaeda - replacing them with his coterie of hacks from Capitol Hill.

Mr. Cheney is letting his old mentor, Rummy, stay on. What does it matter if the Rummy doctrine - dangerously thin allotments of forces, no exit strategy, snatching State Department occupation duties and then screwing them up - has botched the Iraq mission and left the military so strapped it's calling back old, out-of-shape reservists to active service?

Condi Rice and Stephen Hadley did not do their jobs before 9/11 in coordinating the fight against Al Qaeda, and they did not do their jobs after 9/11 in preventing the debacle in Iraq. They not only suppressed evidence Americans needed to know that would have debunked the neocons' hyped-up case for invading Iraq; they helped shovel hooey into the president's speeches.

Dr. Rice pitched in to help Dr. No whip up that imaginary mushroom cloud. Condi's life story may be inspirational. But the way she got the State Department job is not.

Not only are the Bush officials who failed to protect the country and misled us into war not losing their jobs. They're getting promoted

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Doc - are you jealous? I've heard it said that if you can't achieve someone else's level of achievement, then you bad mouth them down to your level of disenginuity.

These people must be approved by the Congress and if they don't meet an acceptable level of experience and ability, then the Congress won't approve them.
Are you saying that the Democrat Senators will approve a Cabinet level position for a person that isn't qualified?
 
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I am an American who is watching this great country dissolve under Bush's form of "Leadership" ..

Kerrys commercial was VERY ACCURATE ... most of the Bushies, like yourself, remind me of that Ostrich in that commercial .. their head buried so deep in the sand that they have no clue what is actually going on

If you are comfortable with the direction that Bush has this country heading, hey, that is cool as that is your opinion and I respect that as that is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when this country was created

I am not .. so does that make me a bad American? Does that make me a traitor? The unfortunate thing is that mentality has been shoved down the throats of American by Cheney & company and enough folks actually believe that ...
 

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Doc - why won't you answer my question? I'll ask again: Are you saying that the Democrat Senators will approve a Cabinet level position for a person that isn't qualified?

You have a right to your political beliefs - I went to war and would heve died defending that right.. But I also have a right to my political beliefs.

Unlike Hanoi John Kerry, you have not betrayed your country or antone else that I'm aware of by expounding your beliefs and your support of the Democrat Party.

I used to be a Democrat - and who knows, I could become a Democrat again - but right now, the Republicans most closely mirror everything that I believe in - so I'm a Republican.

Doc, you have to recognize the Republican domination isn't all bad, just as it wasn't all bad when the Dems had all of the power. There is good in everything - you just have to look for it.
 
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stick that "betray" crap where the sun dont shine ... hell, Kerry said the same things about that crappy war that Johnson / Nixon later said on tape .. his testimony in front of the Senate in 71 was relaying information told to him by over 150 soldiers on stuff that happened .. the Bushies left that off on the attack campaign they ran this year

Hey, I can admit the Dems have screwed up many times ... problem is the Repubs never can and once they started this crap about I need to vote for the "Moral" party is when I turned .. me being Catholic and being forced to vote for Bush is disgusting

We have a dictatorship unfolding in Washington, DC under King George ... the Neo-Cons are in full charge and their outlook on how the rest of the world should operate is not realistic

Bush and his proposal in the Middle East .. he just dont get it .. and I dont think he ever will until its too late
 

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"Hanoi John Kerry"....

Kinda ironic arguing about Kerry's actions when we should be outraged that we were over in Vietnam in the first place.

But then I guess these wars happen when too many men just follow along with thier government like sheep to the slaughter.....too many people out there with the attitude that "my government said so therefore it must be right".......

I still see way too much of that attitude......flag waving, gullible, blind patriots willing to give it all without thought or question as to the motives or reasoning behind it all......
 

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Marco - you don't have a clue what you're talking about!

What does the betrayal of your brother Vets have to do with the government and the war.
And since when does colluding with the enemy come under the heading of civil disobedience.

The actions of Hanoi John caused his brother vets great harm - he turned on them, accusing them of attrocities that they did not commit; he caused such harm that the scars are still there 30 years later.

Ask any Vet about John Kerry and he'll tell you, the man was a traitor!
 

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"Whenever this administration is in trouble they send out Condi Rice because the press, which is mostly white and male, gives her a far easier treatment than they would a white male. Meanwhile, our troops are dying and being grievously wounded in a war that could have been avoided, or at least unsought. Ms. Rice's (and other's) statements about the aluminum tubes are the same kind of lie as the Gulf of Tonkin lie from Lyndon Johnson's people. 55,000 GI's died for that lie."
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I see that the Junior member of the KKK is posting more of his racist tripe. Hey Petre, are you and Robert Byrd related?
 
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I guess Kerry was a Traitor .. came back and stood up for a BS war that killed over 55,000 young Americans ... a war that saw our vets treated like crap when they came back to the USA .. Kerry said the same things that Johnson / Nixon said on tape later ... and the testimony in front of the Senate in 71 was info relayed to Kerry by over 150 American soldiers ...

Meanwhile, at the same time Bush if flunking his physical due to drug useage ... Cheney used 5 deferments to get out of the war ... Wolfowitz and Limbaugh never served ... I saw guys mentally screwed up when they came back from that war ... if you served our country, God bless you ...

I never said - LIKE CHENEY - but unlike our VP I would not sink to the level of a snake and bad mouth someone that had the guts to enlist and go into combat for the USA

This wrapping around the flag crap is what Rove told the Repubs to do in the 2002 and 2004 election ... and based on their character assassination of McCain and Cleland I would say the true traitors are the gutless types like Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh and Wolfowitz
 

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Whoa there Doc - I don't much care about Bush and Cheney - like most vets, if I could have found a way to stay out of the service and out of Vietnam I would have - I hold no animosity to them or to the millions of rich and middle class kids who used their clout to= stay out of the war.

Hanoi John Kerry is a differnet matter:

Kerry siid that Vietnam Vets did, and I quote "they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war"

Such statements are not anti-war, but anti-Vietnam Veteran. And those statements were lies as Kerry knew at that time! Kerry hurt the returning vets more than any enemy weapons could have. And his statements caused the POWs in North Vietnam to suffer unspaekable torture.

He is directly and indirectly the cause of a lot of anguish that Vets have gone through.

The man is a traitor!
 

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<CENTER>[size=+2]Statement of Mr. John Kerry[/size]</CENTER>

...I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony....



<CENTER>WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION</CENTER>

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." The term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we f eel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.

As the text CLEARLY states these things were related to Kerry by other soldiers. He was restating what others had told HIM. I'm sure you know this mr blight. How you KNOW they are lies I can only imagine. As far as his responsibility for prisoners being tortured for what he said I've read statements that Nixons secret bombing of Cambodia was used as a reason more often than not.

Now if you care to read more of Kerrys statement you can find it here http://www.urich.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html
I'm sure you'd much rather remain uninformed though.
 

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Jinn - and if you'd bother to check out the history of his testimony, the soldiers from whom Kerry and his comrades got this testimony later refuted nearly all of the testimony they gave, stating that they were tricked and lead into giving false and misleading statements. Remeber that the testimony that Kerry gave was based on the supposed investigation that Kerry himself participated in.

In fact, the Vietnam Vets Against the war were a small group of rabid anti-war extremists who fell into extreme disr5epute. This same group that Kerry came from had planned the assasination of a US Senator.

Anyone with half a brain understood that the testimony Kerry gave was damning to the extreme of the soldiers who had served in Vietnam, and a slap in the face to those same Vets, in that it supported the views of the left that all soldiers were vile, mentally deranged animals. It didn't matter that most of the soldiers were drafted, and that most of the people from the left were able to avoid the draft through their manipulation of the system.

For 30 years the very strong feelings that lay buried deep within the Vets were brought forth by Kerry himself wwhen he tried to use his Vietnam service to springboard him into the whitehouse.

The left doewsn't understand that the swiftboat vets were just the tip of the iceberg.

Say what you want - the man was a traitor!

By the way - where are all of the vets who testified in the in the Winter Soldier Investigation? Find me one who'll say that Kerry's statements were true.
 

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Kerrys testimony was a damnation of government policies NOT the troops and you know it. If what you say is true then he is guilty of being a dupe not a traitor.
 

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Jinn - a dupe would be a person who was tricked into a course of action. Kerry planned every word and every action he took! He was a traitor!

That's true history and true fact!
 

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Regardless, what Kerry did he did with the best intentions, to end a corrosive war which never should have happened. He has said that he should have tempered the language, but his purpose was still right. You seem to reserve all your venom for Kerry, why not for the politicians and the military industrial complex who wanted this conflict?
 

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Jinn, I guess you had to live through it. The war was wrong - everyone eventually reached that conclusion - but there are honorable and dis-honorable ways to achieve your objectives.

The protests against the government weren't really working - there was a generational divide, with the older WWII vets siding with the government against what they saw as a very real communist threat. To get WWII vets on their side, against Vietnam, the Kerry group felt that accustaions of widespread attrocities that were covered up by the government would turn older vets against the war. The problem was that the accusations stuck and the returning Vets suffered the reputation of deranged psychotics and baby killers.

I've heard people poopoo the theory, but tell me this - how many bums have you ever seen holding signs that say "WWII Vet" or "Korean War Vet" - I'll tell you how many - None! But you regularly see some BUM - in the movies and in the real world holding a sign that says "Vietnam Vet"

The Vietnam Vet expected to comer home as a hero, but came home to revulsion for him and his uniform.

Kerry helped to create and cement that widespread perception of the Vietnam Vet.

He did it for political expediency, knowing in full what he was doing.

Kerry was a traitor
 

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Member USN 6/71 to 9/75, I did live it. Joined Navy to avoid Army. Had no desire to have my ass shot off for Vietnam (in all honesty it was my mothers idea, thanks mom). It's occured to me since that had I been drafted (which in a sense I was as my lottery # was so low) I may have been that last man to die for a mistake.
I just wish you would blame the people responsible for the war, because had there been no war all this would be moot.
 

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Jinn - I'm not disagreeing about the war!

I'm disagreeing about Kerry and the tactics he used - and if you're a Vietnam Vet or Vietnam era Vet, then you know what I mean about how men in uniform were treated.

Kerry testified, and by doing so, he condemned Vietnam Vets to be percieved as deranged psychotics and baby killers.
During his testimony, Kerry stated "I have talked to both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government." In other words, he testified that he colluded with the enemy - not Just the North Vietnamese Government, but the PRG, the parent group of the Viet Cong.

I don't see how it can be seen any other way - he colluded with the enemy before his testimony. His testimony was staged as part of a plan to support that enemy.

You noted earlier that he was a dupe at worst - and as I type this, I have the thought that maybe he was a dupe for the Viet Communists. But dupe or not, he was a traitor!
 

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