TCU - Baylor

[1osubucks]

some thoughts on these 2.... i still cannot figure out how tcu is in front of baylor, they beat them on the field where it matters. I am of the opinion that ohio state should be 4 and if they beat wisky with a 3rd string QB i think they are more deserving. For this argument i take osu out of the equation..assuming tcu and the bears both win next week, how and the hell do you put TCU in front of Baylor when Baylor beat them on the field.. if that happens then I think this committee should be trashed and start all over.

You play the games for a reason.. it does not get any easier then this Baylor beat TCU.. nothing else should matter?? maybe i am nuts? anyone else agree?

Any Baylor fans out there? this has to drive you nuts...

 

[WinOne]

Not sure if you saw the Baylor-TCU game but TCU dominated the game and Baylor won it late. I think most of the coaches on the panel are probably looking at it knowing TCU and HC Patterson and knowing Baylor and thinking that if you give TCU a 24 point lead with 11 mins to play 100 times, TCU would close the game out 98 times or more. The other thing they are probably looking at outside of the head to head is comparative scores. For example, Baylor held on to beat Tx Tech today 48-46 where Tech was going for 2 to tie the game, with their 4th string QB. TCU hung 82 on Tech just a few weeks ago. Baylor beat Texas 28-7 and the game was 7-0 Baylor at half. TCU just beat Texas 48-10 and it could have been even worse. TCU also beat WVa in Morgantown, yet Baylor lost to WVa by 14 points I believe. Other than the Kansas game, TCU has pretty much handled every team on their schedule. Baylor gets KState this weekend and a win there could go a long way for Baylor but somehow I think the committee will keep TCU ahead of them. TCU has just been more impressive in all the games, not just the head to head ones

 

[1osubucks]

Hey win.. I did watch the TCU collapse and can't disagree with your comments but at the end of the game you win or lose... TCU lost, maybe I am being stubborn on this idk.. Just always thought the game is settled on the field..if I am Baylor, it's just a hard pill to swallow. They may both end up getting in, never know. Next week will be interesting !

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

You are 100% spot on. I don't care how they won, Baylor won & that is all that matters. To hear idiots like Mark May say he would still keep TCU at #4 even if Baylor wins next week & is the Big 12 Champion tells you all that is wrong with the system even in a playoff format.

 

[sdf]

TCU lost earlier in the season than Baylor. When you lose sometimes matters.
TCU's non conference schedule was better than Baylor's
At this time, TCU's overall schedule is better than Baylor's. However if Baylor beats KState, that may change.

The committee would have a hard time next week if Baylor does win. I think the "eye test" tells them TCU is the better and more complete team.
Great on offense AND good on defense, whereas Baylor's dee is a little suspect.
If Baylor and TCU tie atop big12 standings, they may end up giving the #4 slot to Baylor next week based on head to head.


And I cant see why now OSU is in the discussion. Their one loss on the year is embarrassing at home to a lousy VT team. The same VT team that lost to Wake Forest (among many bad losses). Most importantly, OSU is down to their 3rd string QB. I think that's huge in deciding their fate IMO. As well, the Big 10 is way way down in comparison to other conferences

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/tag/_/name/conference-power-rankings

If OSU beats Wisky with their 3rd string QB, it really goes to show how mediocre the Big10 really is. OSU's win over MSU is the only good win they will have. Wisky......show me a good Wisky win....something they can really hang their hat on. They had a baby poo soft schedule after the LSU loss. Minnesota is about it and they got them at home. And Minny isnt all that terrific a team. Even TCU ripped apart Minnesota... *yawn*.

We need an 8 team playoff. Period. We'll still fight about teams #7 and #8 but more teams need a legit shot at the title.....

 

[GoSooners]

When Baylor played TCU early in the season I believe they were every bit as good as TCU. Patterson just got out schemed in the 4th quarter in that game, and he pretty much admitted it. But like last year Baylor is starting to fade a little coming down the stretch, and except for a couple dings here or there to their skill players, TCU has remained pretty much injury free.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

I think that BAylor gets the nod over TCU if they can defeat Kansass State next week at home by a "comfortable" margin. TCU has the disadvantage of hosting the worst team in the big 12 (Iowa State) and they are going to lose ground to Baylor. It is just a question of how much ground they lose.

If Ohio State manages to defeat Wisconsin with a 3rd string QB, do not be surprised to see them leapfrog both Texas schools. They will have won a legitimate conference championship and have one more win that the Texas Schools. Their schedule is more difficult than Baylor's and comprobaable to TCU's schedule. Remember, an OU win next week and the Big 12 has only 6 teams that are bowl eligable and one of those teams (Texas) at 6-6 with ony one win against a team over .500. The Big 12's possible 60% of their teams who are bowl eligable is the losest percentage of the 5 power conferences. The ACC is at 78.5%, The Big 10 at 64.5%, The Pac 12 at 66.7%, and the SEC is at 85.7% That tells me that the Big 12 is the worst power 5 conference. The fact that they do not have a conference championship game does not help them either.

 

[WinOne]

I think that BAylor gets the nod over TCU if they can defeat Kansass State next week at home by a "comfortable" margin. TCU has the disadvantage of hosting the worst team in the big 12 (Iowa State) and they are going to lose ground to Baylor. It is just a question of how much ground they lose.

If Ohio State manages to defeat Wisconsin with a 3rd string QB, do not be surprised to see them leapfrog both Texas schools. They will have won a legitimate conference championship and have one more win that the Texas Schools. Their schedule is more difficult than Baylor's and comprobaable to TCU's schedule. Remember, an OU win next week and the Big 12 has only 6 teams that are bowl eligable and one of those teams (Texas) at 6-6 with ony one win against a team over .500. The Big 12's possible 60% of their teams who are bowl eligable is the losest percentage of the 5 power conferences. The ACC is at 78.5%, The Big 10 at 64.5%, The Pac 12 at 66.7%, and the SEC is at 85.7% That tells me that the Big 12 is the worst power 5 conference. The fact that they do not have a conference championship game does not help them either.

One thing with respect to the SEC at 85%, a lot of their bottom feeders teams schedule lower level teams for wins, not all. In addition Arkansas only won 2 conference games and Tenn, So Carolina, and A&M only won 3 each. But 12/14 are bowl eligible and that's better than last year where they could not fill out their bowl allotment

 

[WinOne]

Hey win.. I did watch the TCU collapse and can't disagree with your comments but at the end of the game you win or lose... TCU lost, maybe I am being stubborn on this idk.. Just always thought the game is settled on the field..if I am Baylor, it's just a hard pill to swallow. They may both end up getting in, never know. Next week will be interesting !

Completely understand. One thing that I think is going to be held against Baylor is their non conference schedule and the fact that they came out and said that they were not modifying their schedule next year which is just as bad. I think the committee is going to hold it against them. And remember, the Big12 bylaws state that they will crown 2 champions (Baylor and TCU) should they both win out next week. With that being said, the committee is at liberty to go in any direction with putting one above another and considering there are 2 B10 guys in the room who saw TCU beat a pesky Minny team, my guess they put TCU above Baylor.

 

[rolltide]

Completely understand. One thing that I think is going to be held against Baylor is their non conference schedule

i don't see how there is a big enough disparity in their OOC schedule to negate the fact that Baylor beat them h2h...on the field...outgained them by 300

is Samford, Minnesota, and SMU really that phenomenal of an OOC schedule compared to Northwestern State, Buffalo, and SMU? Is beating Minnesota instead of Buffalo really worth losing a h2h meeting? hell no

 

[BigdaddyQH]

If you look at the Baylor non-con schedule, you will see that they have a home and home against Duke. That is the only Power Five conference team they play until 2020. Briles said that all Baylor had to do was to win the Big 12 and the committee would be forced to include them in the playoff. As long as Briles is there, Baylor will have to run the table if they ever want a shot at the playoffs because the committee members do not necessairily like big mouth head coaches trying to tell them who to include and who not to include. I totally agree. Briles is obviously afraid of real competition so he refuses to schedule it.

 

[AcesandFaces]

This will all be academic after Baylor gets beat by Kansas State this weekend. I wouldn't be shocked if TCU struggles with Iowa State either.

 

[WinOne]

i don't see how there is a big enough disparity in their OOC schedule to negate the fact that Baylor beat them h2h...on the field...outgained them by 300

is Samford, Minnesota, and SMU really that phenomenal of an OOC schedule compared to Northwestern State, Buffalo, and SMU? Is beating Minnesota instead of Buffalo really worth losing a h2h meeting? hell no

It's not as much the schedule but the fact that Baylor has stated that they are not going to schedule power 5 teams OOC. They've made no bones about it. I think it will hurt them. I also look at the comparatives scores. I posted in another thread that Baylor was life and death with Tech yesterday, and won 48-46, yet TCU hung 82 on that same Tech team. Baylor was playing against the 4th string QB. I think the committee will look at how Baylor does against KState this weekend. Remember that TCU hung 42 on them in Ft Worth in a game that was not even close. If Baylor does not blow them out, I think it will give the committee the leverage they need.

 

[Biz]

You achieve a ranking based on your season long resume, not one head to head matchup. Others have already discussed the common opponents, etc..

About that TCU/Baylor matchup. TCU dominated that game for 50 minutes, on the road. It was played at Baylor. Baylor was also gifted a ridiculous PI call late that was a huge factor in the win.

TCU is the better team, all things considered. They belong in the Top 4, along with Alabama/Florida St/Oregon. Ohio St is a good team but not in the same class as the top 4. Sorry buckeye fans.

 

[GoSooners]

It's not as much the schedule but the fact that Baylor has stated that they are not going to schedule power 5 teams OOC. They've made no bones about it. I think it will hurt them. I also look at the comparatives scores. I posted in another thread that Baylor was life and death with Tech yesterday, and won 48-46, yet TCU hung 82 on that same Tech team. Baylor was playing against the 4th string QB. I think the committee will look at how Baylor does against KState this weekend. Remember that TCU hung 42 on them in Ft Worth in a game that was not even close. If Baylor does not blow them out, I think it will give the committee the leverage they need.

As banged up as Baylor is I would be surprised if they blow out KSU. Plus Petty isn't as good of a running QB as Boykin. TCU killed KSU on third down all day. I don't see this game going quite that way.

 

[WinOne]

As banged up as Baylor is I would be surprised if they blow out KSU. Plus Petty isn't as good of a running QB as Boykin. TCU killed KSU on third down all day. I don't see this game going quite that way.

Petty also has to get cleared for the concussion. Not sure how bad it was but he couldn't continue in the game and it was close enough for him to be in. We will see if they rush it

 

[Tacopants]

some thoughts on these 2.... i still cannot figure out how tcu is in front of baylor, they beat them on the field where it matters. I am of the opinion that ohio state should be 4 and if they beat wisky with a 3rd string QB i think they are more deserving. For this argument i take osu out of the equation..assuming tcu and the bears both win next week, how and the hell do you put TCU in front of Baylor when Baylor beat them on the field.. if that happens then I think this committee should be trashed and start all over.

You play the games for a reason.. it does not get any easier then this Baylor beat TCU.. nothing else should matter?? maybe i am nuts? anyone else agree?

Any Baylor fans out there? this has to drive you nuts...

Agree 100%. Human bias will always F things up. That is why they play the games. 8 team playoff with the conf champ in the power 5 getting auto bids plus the top 3 at large to accommodate ND and the occasional Boise State. Don't win your conference then shut your mouth. The committee should pick the 3 at large teams and rank them all but 5 bids should be auto, that way no human bias and no hiding behind OOC schedules. If Baylor wins next week by every measurable standard they won the Big12 and no way should TCU jump Baylor.

 

[Tacopants]

ve. Other than the Kansas game, TCU has pretty much handled every team on their schedule. Baylor gets KState this weekend and a win there could go a long way for Baylor but somehow I think the committee will keep TCU ahead of them. TCU has just been more impressive in all the games, not just the head to head ones

Didn't TCU get out gained by WVU and needed a FG with no time left to escape with a one point win? I would not call that handled.

 

[1osubucks]

i just listened to colin cowterd rant about how much better TCU? i dont see it, as said above very simialr schedules, both had bad games (TT/KU).. this should be a no brainer right not, baylor won, end of story... may not matter after this week..

I was watching the bama game saturday and just cannot see TCU staying on the field w/them.. i think the they would do to them what they did to ND, maybe worse. TCU is not a very physical team and they are not going to size up well. I am tired of hear about the texas win, anyone else? texas is about as bad as bad can be right noe, and they are in a bowl game.... I think Baylor could physically at least line up and bang against the likes of Bama, FSU, Oregon...as it appears if everyone wins out those will be the other 3.

 

[1osubucks]

also heard on cowterd that baylor out gained tcu by 300 yards... not sure if that is accurate