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Disregarding the political motives, were their accusations about Kerry true or not?

Was there ever any investigation to either prove or disprove them?
I don't mean an investigation into who may have backed them or helped organize their report.

I just would like to know if the allegations were true. If not, was a suit for libel ever filed?


I have no agenda here. I'm just curious.
 
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This says it all Partner ... IT WAS NOTHING BUT LIES AND FITS RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE ATTACKS YOU SEE ON BO VIA KARL ROVE WHO IS "EMPLOYED" AT FOX NEWS AND RUNS MCCAINS CAMPAIGN:

Robert J. "Bob" Perry is a Houston, Texas, homebuilder who has "helped bankroll the widespread success of Republican candidates", has "long-standing ties to many close associates" of President George W. Bush, and has "contributed to Bush's last four campaigns. According to interviews and campaign documents, he has given a total of more than $5 million to scores of political candidates," the Houston Chroncle reported in August 2004

Bankrolling Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004

Perry, described as a "close friend" of both Karl Rove and John E. O'Neill and said to be the "single largest Texas donor" to the Republican Party, contributed 4.5 million dollars<sup id="_ref-12" class="reference">[18]</sup> to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth smear campaign against then presidential candidate John F. Kerry


PLEASE REMEMBER WHAT BUSHCO DID TO JOHN MCCAIN IN THE 2000 SC PRIMARY ... SMEAR CAMPAIGNS IS WHAT ROVE LEARNED FROM NIXON HITMAN ATWATER:

"What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary"

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FACT SHEET:

Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain “The *** Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the *** candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.” <washington post,="" 18="" 00;="" rich="" op-ed,="" austin="" american-statesman,="" 2="" 29="" 00="">

McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.
Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict.” <ivins column,="" the="" nation,="" 6="" 18="" 01="">

Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain’s Temper.
“A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons.” <drew op-ed,="" washington="" post,="" 11="" 19="" 99="">

Bush Supporters Questioned McCain’s Sanity.
“Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.” <lansing state="" journal,="" 11="" 23="" 99="">

Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain’s Daughter.
Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a “black child.” The McCains’ daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains “are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter.” <time, 6="" boston="" globe,="" 3="" 4="" 00;="" dowd="" column,="" new="" york="" times,="" 8="" 9="" 00="">

Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker. <new yorker,="" 5="" 12="" 03="">

After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.
A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts, allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightower’s involvement in a kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, including that “McCain may be unstable as a result of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.” (DMN, 12/2/99) After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH airport, “nose to nose” according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater had “harmed his reputation,” Slater later noted. But according to one witness, “What was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain.” <the nation,="" 3="" 5="" 01="">

Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingold’s Chief Opponent.
Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnell’s effort to fight the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from McConnell on the issue, “sources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land mines.” <newsweek, 2="" 25="" 02="">

Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.
College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCain’s positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bush’s Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCain’s role in the S&L crisis. <houston chronicle,="" 2="" 8="" 00="">

Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.
Tucker Eskew, Bush’s South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not “push polls.” Eskew added, “Show me a baseless comment in those questions.”


Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as “Manchurian Candidate.”
“In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with ‘the Manchurian Candidate.’” <dionne op-ed,="" washington="" post,="" 4="" 27="" 04="">

Sampley Called McCain a “Coward” and a Traitor.
“Sampley… accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.” </dionne></post></houston></newsweek,></the></new></time,></lansing></drew></ivins></washington></p></td></tr></tbody></table>
 

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Everything they said was true......Kerry was a coward who went there to do 1 thing , make a name for himself and get out ASAP.
Kerry ran when the boats came under fire and even left 1 of his own shipmates in the water as he hauled ass.

And as far as the posts above showing Bush vs McCain lets not forget that the 2 candiadtes on the stage together TODAY ,Obamer and Clinton were just 15 days ago calling each other racists. Thats politics...
 

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"none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded." Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, one of the veterans in the ad, has even "acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on May 6, "and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050007
 

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Everything they said was true......Kerry was a coward who went there to do 1 thing , make a name for himself and get out ASAP.
Kerry ran when the boats came under fire and even left 1 of his own shipmates in the water as he hauled ass.

And as far as the posts above showing Bush vs McCain lets not forget that the 2 candiadtes on the stage together TODAY ,Obamer and Clinton were just 15 days ago calling each other racists. Thats politics...
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Thats misinformation. Read the two articles I posted, should help you guys. :) Especially the second one.
 

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Everything they said was true......Kerry was a coward who went there to do 1 thing , make a name for himself and get out ASAP.
Kerry ran when the boats came under fire and even left 1 of his own shipmates in the water as he hauled ass.

And as far as the posts above showing Bush vs McCain lets not forget that the 2 candiadtes on the stage together TODAY ,Obamer and Clinton were just 15 days ago calling each other racists. Thats politics...

Why should anyone listen to your drivel when every man on that boat says different?
 

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"none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded." Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, one of the veterans in the ad, has even "acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on May 6, "and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050007

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...LMAO...thats a lib rag I delivered as a kid.

You can't believe anything they say....way over the top lefty rag.

Nice try....
 

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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...LMAO...thats a lib rag I delivered as a kid.

You can't believe anything they say....way over the top lefty rag.

Nice try....
Sorry, youre just trying to discredit the source again. (Thats weaksauce fwiw)

Do you really think they would just make up quotes?! I highly doubt it.
 

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Didnt a few of them come forward and say they lied?
There is one that does not like him and did not think he was a good leader. His quotes are listed in in your post.

10 of them, which I believe is all the rest, recently offered to testify that what Kerry said was true.

I wouldn't worry too much about trying to get it right because these Neo nazis are in full slime mode and the truth is not something that they will let get in their way.
 

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Sorry, youre just trying to discredit the source again. (Thats weaksauce fwiw)

Do you really think they would just make up quotes?! I highly doubt it.

In my experience...they would do nearly anything. Probably not make up quotes...I'm not that over the top.

What I find interesting is your quotes are irrelevant to the subject...its an obvious attempt at smear of the swift boat vets.

Thats the only argument you have here.

Kerry didn't have the guts to stand up to them...or release his military records.

Nuff said. :103631605
 
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Propoker: Kerry was a coward


REALLY?


BUSH WENT AWOL OVER COKE USEAGE
CHENEY USED 5 DEFERMENTS TO GET HIS ASS OUT OF VIETNAM


SEEMS THE RIGHT SHOULD KNOW ALL ABOUT COWARDS ....
 

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In my experience...they would do nearly anything. Probably not make up quotes...I'm not that over the top.

What I find interesting is your quotes are irrelevant to the subject...its an obvious attempt at smear of the swift boat vets.

Thats the only argument you have here.

Kerry didn't have the guts to stand up to them...or release his military records.

Nuff said. :103631605

Whats to smear only 1 was a witness to the event in question. The other 10, who are witness' you seem perfectly willing the slime.
 

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Funk Post Media matter and then says someone else's source is invalid.

I read their book, as well as Kerry's supporters answers to the questions they raised.

To Answer the question. The Swifties hated Kerry. As they were his fellow officers, drank with him, slept with him, hung out with him, there are legit reasons they hated him.


I'd say their hatred clouded their view of events. Probably not outright lies (one or two maybe) but Kerry actions post war and the way he defamed good men made them pick apart his record. I also do believe Kerry volunteered for the Navy because like many at the time he believed it would keep him Safe as there wasn't much need for the Navy in Vietnam...until they said let's patrol the Rivers. I don't blame him at all for that either.

The Men that served on the boat with him did indeed mostly support him,(save one I think). That should mean something.

Kerry's mistake was that he had been on record as being ashamed of his service. Yet HE brought it to the forefront, because he thought it would serve him well in his run for Pres. He should have made it more about Bush, and he should have anticipated that most Vets hated his guts.
 

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