It shouldn't be controversial. It's not murder. Let the scientists decide what research is best to do and get out of their way. End of story.
Bush always talks about not letting government beaureaucrats decide what is best...but somehow he thinks government bureaucrats know what type of research should be done and what stem cell lines are best to study.
Leave science to the scientists.
Bush always talks about not letting government beaureaucrats decide what is best...but somehow he thinks government bureaucrats know what type of research should be done and what stem cell lines are best to study.
Leave science to the scientists.
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Massive research needed for the most important scientific
work since the discovery of penicillin. In fact, when completed
it will make most other discoveries seem insignificant. This
is not me talking, it is the scientific community.
I don't know if you are baiting me. If so, I will bite,
Bush will go down in history as a mass murderer for
not encouraging and funding these studies. Let alone
making it difficult for the research. Science and government
should be partners on this not adversaries.
work since the discovery of penicillin. In fact, when completed
it will make most other discoveries seem insignificant. This
is not me talking, it is the scientific community.
I don't know if you are baiting me. If so, I will bite,
Bush will go down in history as a mass murderer for
not encouraging and funding these studies. Let alone
making it difficult for the research. Science and government
should be partners on this not adversaries.
Whatever the answer, Nottingham is not ruling out either route and is keeping its options open on which is best. Stem cell research is a hugely complex yet immensely fascinating area of research with the potential to unlock probably the greatest scientific and medical discoveries ever. We are still a long way from miracle treatments for some of the most widely known debilitating diseases and illnesses, but the possibilities are
exciting and very real. The University of Nottingham is well positioned with a wide range of animal models, dedicated specialist teams and the forthcoming hES cell laboratory, to continue to be a pioneer in what could well be the most important research area of the 21st century.
Shotgun, here is one group of scientists from a well respected
periodical. Now please show me my cliches and platitudes that
spew from me. You asked me to put up, here it is *******,
now you put up.
exciting and very real. The University of Nottingham is well positioned with a wide range of animal models, dedicated specialist teams and the forthcoming hES cell laboratory, to continue to be a pioneer in what could well be the most important research area of the 21st century.
Shotgun, here is one group of scientists from a well respected
periodical. Now please show me my cliches and platitudes that
spew from me. You asked me to put up, here it is *******,
now you put up.
stacilu said:
Stacilu, you say stem cell research, "when completed
it will make most other discoveries seem insignificant".
To back this 'fact' you quote a PR release from a scientific group saying "Stem cell research is a hugely complex yet immensely fascinating area of research with the potential to unlock probably the greatest scientific and medical discoveries ever."
Now I'm not quite as smart as you. You have shown your brilliance in the incredibly creative way you use profanities and 3rd grade insults to people that have differing opinions from you. I do, however, understand what "potential" means. When I say I have the potential, one day far into the future, to be as intelligent as Stacilu, this doesn't mean I will be as smart as Stacilu. It simply means I may be.
You, however, seem to think differently. Using your "logic", simply the fact that I have the potential to be as intelligent as you means automatically I will be. Stem cell research MAY unlock the greatest discovery ever: therefore, it WILL unlock the greatest discovery ever.
I'll ask you again since you failed in your first attempt: What scientists say this will make most other discoveries insignificant? I want names, not the cliches and platitudes that spew from you on a daily basis.
Shotgun
Yes you are correct you are nowhere near as sharp as I am.
No question about that, see at least you are coming along.
Now let me teach you something else since obviously
you don't know how to do it. On the net you will find
a serach engine, one of many, this one is called Google.
Now take a phrase from one of the paragraphs that I
pasted for you. (are you still with me) and key it into
google. This will take you to the exact location of that
phrase. (isn't that amazing, you can't believe what
scientists are doing today) when you arrive, with a
little bit of research and effort you will be able to find the
names of the scientists involved. I think that will answer
your question. However, if you have problems with this,
and I can anticipate that you will, please feel free to
get back to me or anybody else that is a little bit sharper
than you.
Again, you accuse me of cliches but come up with none.
A few weeks ago I was accused of being "unamerican."
that individual when asked to produce an unamerican
comment could not. A week or so later someone accused
me of being "ultra liberal," I am quite sure he didn't even
know what it meant. Probably heard it on your favorite news
show, Fox the no spin zone. When asked to come up with
some kind of evidence. Alas, he had none. Tonight, you
blame me for being trite and spewing platitudes. When asked
for some evidence--again there is none. Seems to be a pattern
with guys like you. Very easy to level charges but not able
to back them up. This makes you "not credible," or as some
other people might say simply "stupid." I can't understand
why someone would make charges without evidence. But
people like you have no problem with it. You really should
try to make sure of your facts. You didn't really think that
with your limited intelligence and obvious lack of education
that you would be able to best me in a logical disucssion.
But earlier in your last post you admitted that, sorry I forgot.
Now I suggest to you that you find somebody in your league
and play with them for awhile. Because presently you are
on a terrible losing streak.
Yes you are correct you are nowhere near as sharp as I am.
No question about that, see at least you are coming along.
Now let me teach you something else since obviously
you don't know how to do it. On the net you will find
a serach engine, one of many, this one is called Google.
Now take a phrase from one of the paragraphs that I
pasted for you. (are you still with me) and key it into
google. This will take you to the exact location of that
phrase. (isn't that amazing, you can't believe what
scientists are doing today) when you arrive, with a
little bit of research and effort you will be able to find the
names of the scientists involved. I think that will answer
your question. However, if you have problems with this,
and I can anticipate that you will, please feel free to
get back to me or anybody else that is a little bit sharper
than you.
Again, you accuse me of cliches but come up with none.
A few weeks ago I was accused of being "unamerican."
that individual when asked to produce an unamerican
comment could not. A week or so later someone accused
me of being "ultra liberal," I am quite sure he didn't even
know what it meant. Probably heard it on your favorite news
show, Fox the no spin zone. When asked to come up with
some kind of evidence. Alas, he had none. Tonight, you
blame me for being trite and spewing platitudes. When asked
for some evidence--again there is none. Seems to be a pattern
with guys like you. Very easy to level charges but not able
to back them up. This makes you "not credible," or as some
other people might say simply "stupid." I can't understand
why someone would make charges without evidence. But
people like you have no problem with it. You really should
try to make sure of your facts. You didn't really think that
with your limited intelligence and obvious lack of education
that you would be able to best me in a logical disucssion.
But earlier in your last post you admitted that, sorry I forgot.
Now I suggest to you that you find somebody in your league
and play with them for awhile. Because presently you are
on a terrible losing streak.
Staci, I can't "google" a lie. You made something up, got called on it, and now want me to do your research for you. Nice. Next time have some facts behind you.
I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you...you aren't worth it. People like Xpanda, Eek, and Mudbone may be on the opposite side of me politically, but they think for themselves and have facts as well as reasonable arguments to back their case. You have neither.
I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you...you aren't worth it. People like Xpanda, Eek, and Mudbone may be on the opposite side of me politically, but they think for themselves and have facts as well as reasonable arguments to back their case. You have neither.
Shotgun
You are a very foolish person. First of all that site I gave you
was legit. I would give a fake site on a forum. I am sure
other people checked it out. How stupid do you think this
forum is. Second, I wonder how many people have to be
convinced that the scientific community is in favor of
stem cell research. No Mr. Shotgun I need not lie or make
things up, that is your department and patriot and someothers.
And just by kissing up to people that are more intellectual than
you will certainly not change their judgment on your stupid
argument. Readers, this man is trying to make you believe
that scientists are not for stem cell research. It is just
as ridiculous as this administration telling us that everything
is peachy in Iraq. It just doesn't float Mr. Shotgun. Yes, the
scientific community is greatly in favor of stem cell research.
It only makes common sense, something very lacking in your
situation. I certainly don't like your arguments, but I also don't
wish upon you or your family or any persons family the suffering
that could have been avoided by using common sense and letting
the scientists do their job. This also will be last post on this
subject to you, we will let the forum decide--if the scientific
community greatly favors stem cell research.
You are a very foolish person. First of all that site I gave you
was legit. I would give a fake site on a forum. I am sure
other people checked it out. How stupid do you think this
forum is. Second, I wonder how many people have to be
convinced that the scientific community is in favor of
stem cell research. No Mr. Shotgun I need not lie or make
things up, that is your department and patriot and someothers.
And just by kissing up to people that are more intellectual than
you will certainly not change their judgment on your stupid
argument. Readers, this man is trying to make you believe
that scientists are not for stem cell research. It is just
as ridiculous as this administration telling us that everything
is peachy in Iraq. It just doesn't float Mr. Shotgun. Yes, the
scientific community is greatly in favor of stem cell research.
It only makes common sense, something very lacking in your
situation. I certainly don't like your arguments, but I also don't
wish upon you or your family or any persons family the suffering
that could have been avoided by using common sense and letting
the scientists do their job. This also will be last post on this
subject to you, we will let the forum decide--if the scientific
community greatly favors stem cell research.
Stacilu, let me explain to you what "red herring" means using this thread as an example:
1) You lied, claiming the scientific community says stem cell research will make other discoveries insignificant.
2) I call you on that lie, so you introduce Topic B (aka Red Herring): the scientific community supports stem cell research.
3) You completely abandon your initial argument, believing that changing the topic vindicates your inital position.
Sad to say that a moron like me didn't quite fall for it. I'll wait for your answer to the initial question that I asked: What scientists say this will make most other discoveries insignificant? I want names, not the cliches and platitudes that spew from you on a daily basis.
The answer should be pretty simple to find if you aren't lying. Of course, since you are lying you won't answer it. For such a brilliant woman, you sure do get yourself tied up in knots with your arguments.
1) You lied, claiming the scientific community says stem cell research will make other discoveries insignificant.
2) I call you on that lie, so you introduce Topic B (aka Red Herring): the scientific community supports stem cell research.
3) You completely abandon your initial argument, believing that changing the topic vindicates your inital position.
Sad to say that a moron like me didn't quite fall for it. I'll wait for your answer to the initial question that I asked: What scientists say this will make most other discoveries insignificant? I want names, not the cliches and platitudes that spew from you on a daily basis.
The answer should be pretty simple to find if you aren't lying. Of course, since you are lying you won't answer it. For such a brilliant woman, you sure do get yourself tied up in knots with your arguments.
For those who want to learn more the following site is useful:
http://stemcells.nih.gov/index.asp
Jman, stem cells have been used for several years to successfully cure cancer (leukemias and lymphomas) by carrying out bone marrow transplants. The adult donor stem cells repopulate the bone marrow BUT the major risk is graft versus host disease where the donor cells recognize the recipient as foreign and mount an immune reaction killing the patient.
Since embryonic cells are immune tolerant they should be able to serve as donor cells without creating such a reaction and are thus preferred over adult stem cells. It is hoped that some of the thousands of unwanted embryos that are leftover from IVF (in vitro fertillization) and sitting in frozen storage could be used for this purpose. They would be grown to a stage consisting of a ball of several hundred cells and then the stem cells would be dissected out to form an immortal cell line.
These embryonic stem cells have the potential to form every type of tissue that could be used for transplants. Major research is aimed at identifying the genes that control the formation of different tissue types. The research is far more advanced in mice which are a model for human studies.
To answer your question, I feel this is no more murder than allowing your seed to fall on the ground.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/index.asp
Jman, stem cells have been used for several years to successfully cure cancer (leukemias and lymphomas) by carrying out bone marrow transplants. The adult donor stem cells repopulate the bone marrow BUT the major risk is graft versus host disease where the donor cells recognize the recipient as foreign and mount an immune reaction killing the patient.
Since embryonic cells are immune tolerant they should be able to serve as donor cells without creating such a reaction and are thus preferred over adult stem cells. It is hoped that some of the thousands of unwanted embryos that are leftover from IVF (in vitro fertillization) and sitting in frozen storage could be used for this purpose. They would be grown to a stage consisting of a ball of several hundred cells and then the stem cells would be dissected out to form an immortal cell line.
These embryonic stem cells have the potential to form every type of tissue that could be used for transplants. Major research is aimed at identifying the genes that control the formation of different tissue types. The research is far more advanced in mice which are a model for human studies.
To answer your question, I feel this is no more murder than allowing your seed to fall on the ground.
