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So the ball does not have to break the plain of the end zone?
 

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The ref said that Holmes had both feet down and was in possesion of the ball....just have to assume that the refs know the rule....(to me it seemed the ball did not cross the goal line)
My understanding of the rule is that the position of the ball is what matters and to me this was close but clearly the ball never reached the goal line. It would have been very interesting what the Steelers would have done with 4 th and inches and the game on the line. However once again the Steelers get the call... just like in the Super Bowl ! God must be a Steeler fan ! :lol:
 

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So the ball does not have to break the plain of the end zone?

not if its a pass and the both recievers feet are fully in the endzone when he catches the ball according to ESPN radio
 

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This is from ESPN

Page 776 of the rules digest in the NFL fact book reads: "A player with the ball in his possession scores a touchdown when the ball is on, above or over the goal line."
 

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they drove 92 yards against a great defense. the ref said he caught the ball with 2 feet in the end zone. he didnt say anything about the ball. i will wait to see what the ref's have to say. it should be very interesting. the books cleaned up on this game
 

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I was under the impression that if your feet are in the end zone and you have possesion, that it is a TD....somebody correct me if I am wrong....thanks

once again sir you are correct. if people would learn the rules they wouldn't complain so much.
 

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strangest thing is that i dont even think the referee explanation mentioned anything about the ball breaking the plane. i think he focused on having possession and feet down in the endzone. almost seems like he didnt even know why the play was being reviewed. weird. pitt is the luckiest team in nfl by far. could easily be .500 this season.

lucky? toughest schedule in nfl by far. #1 defense in fb which normally wins games. show me where they've been lucky, with any luck they would of won nyg and indy game.

one of 3 best teams in football, get ready for them in tampa
 

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This is strictly a td in modern times and at no other time in football history. The fact that they overruled based on video is incredible -- my naked eye says that is not a td and thats that. If you are falling backward out of the endzone without securing the ball not a td! Just because his fingertips made contact while nose of ball broke the plane does not make it a TD. The NFL needs to change rule so that entire football needs to be on OTHER side of plane (6" stripe) entirely, hence IN the end zone, never mind this tippy-tip of the nose of football "broke" plane according to video replay, what pansy bullshit! STICK THE FUCKING BALL IN THE END ZONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT!!!! And if a shoelace touches the paint while every other body part is in on a reception thats a m'fuqqin TD!!!
 

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Regardless the Ravens are lucky to still have control of getting into the playoffs as the last seed if they can beat Dallas and Jax.

Tough game in big D for sure. They own the tiebreaker over the Pats if they win out as well.

Phins and Jets will meet in the last game so someone is guaranteed their 6th loss there.
 

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once again sir you are correct. if people would learn the rules they wouldn't complain so much.

This is not the rule so please learn them yourself. Read the post previous and you'll see the football needs to be on or above the goal which it wasn't. The ruling on the field was no TD and there's no way you could reverse that call.
 

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lucky? toughest schedule in nfl by far. #1 defense in fb which normally wins games. show me where they've been lucky, with any luck they would of won nyg and indy game.

one of 3 best teams in football, get ready for them in tampa

dominated by baltimore both times ... yet somehow managed wins.
improbable home wins against san diego and dallas.
those are 4 games right there alone that could easily leave them at 7-7.
their offense is mediocre. cant run. cant protect the quarterback.
defense carrying them. steelers are an average team. that said, the entire afc is mediocre so maybe they make a run. but pittsburgh has had plenty of better teams than this one in the last handful of years.
 

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This is not the rule so please learn them yourself. Read the post previous and you'll see the football needs to be on or above the goal which it wasn't. The ruling on the field was no TD and there's no way you could reverse that call.

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dominated by baltimore both times ... yet somehow managed wins.
improbable home wins against san diego and dallas.
those are 4 games right there alone that could easily leave them at 7-7.
their offense is mediocre. cant run. cant protect the quarterback.
defense carrying them. steelers are an average team. that said, the entire afc is mediocre so maybe they make a run. but pittsburgh has had plenty of better teams than this one in the last handful of years.

prodigy -- how about the losses to NYG and Indy, where Pittsburgh dominated each of those games?

And I don't think you can say they got "dominated" by B-more both games. I'll give you the "improbable" Dallas win, but SD? Pitt dominated that SD game -- just look at the total yardage.
 

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I have no idea what people are smoking, but that ball never touched the goal line and was not conclusive enough to over turn the ruling on the field. From what I'm reading, some of you actually think if the opponent lands in the end zone regardless of where the ball is it's a TD? :think2:
 
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I don't know the rule for sure...but there must be somebody here that does! Got a feeling that the NFL will let us know tomorrow....

ESPN and NBC have a different interpretation of the rule...
 

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This is from ESPN

Page 776 of the rules digest in the NFL fact book reads: "A player with the ball in his possession scores a touchdown when the ball is on, above or over the goal line."

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prodigy -- how about the losses to NYG and Indy, where Pittsburgh dominated each of those games?

And I don't think you can say they got "dominated" by B-more both games. I'll give you the "improbable" Dallas win, but SD? Pitt dominated that SD game -- just look at the total yardage.

i will absolutely stand by the baltimore domination. steelers were getting booed off their own field because the ravens were making them look incredibly average. if flacco doesnt shit down his own leg, that game never sees overtime. steelers didnt sniff the endzone in 59 minutes today either. baltimore clearly controlled both meetings this year and yet somehow ended up with 0 wins to show for it.

im not saying sdiego outplayed pitt btw - simply saying that was another 'last second win' for pitt (as was their come from ahead near loss to jacksonville, although they deserved to win there)

pittsburgh had a very difficult schedule this year and did well with it. wins and losses are what counts in the end. but they could EASILY be 7-7 or 8-6 and on the outside looking in. that fine line of victory in the nfl has never been more evident than this year.
 

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This is not the rule so please learn them yourself. Read the post previous and you'll see the football needs to be on or above the goal which it wasn't. The ruling on the field was no TD and there's no way you could reverse that call.

Actually, if both feet are in the endzone (with possession), the ball need not cross the plane.
 

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Actually, if both feet are in the endzone (with possession), the ball need not cross the plane.
100% wrong!! Page 776 of the rules digest in the NFL fact book reads: "A player with the ball in his possession scores a touchdown when the ball is on, above or over the goal line."
 

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100% wrong!!

I couldn't find the 2008 rulebook, but this is from the 2006 rulebook. Unless the rule was changed over the last 2 years, the ball need not cross the plane if the player's feet are in the endzone:

See section b (bolded). I interpret that to mean that if a player catches a pass on or behind the goal line, it is a TD. (It doesn't say anything about where the ball is.)

Section 2 Touchdown​
Article 1​
It is a touchdown (3-38):
(a) when a runner advances from the field of play and the ball touches the opponents’
goal line (plane); or
(b) while inbounds any player catches or recovers a loose ball (3-2-3) on or behind the
opponents’ goal line.

 
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