:nohead:after thinking about this for the last few days... the r/x needs $$$ to pay all the mods, let them keep sponsoring this cheap ass out fit... in the end it will bite them in the "ass' to me the subject is starting to get old !!:aktion033:aktion033:aktion033:aktion033:aktion033
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ucking:What is the purpose of this thread? Are you trying to act like somehow that Sportsbook.com or the Rx is helping or doing the right thing? You CANNOT, CANNOT, CANNOT, accept bets and grade them...then later on go back and change winners to losers. Most everything else is nonsense and fluff.
1. Sportsbook.com should pay
2. RX should drop the crooks as advertisers.
Other than 1 and 2 above, the rest is a lot of BS that you can save. No thanks.
1. Sportsbook.com should pay
2. RX should drop the crooks as advertisers.
Other than 1 and 2 above, the rest is a lot of BS that you can save. No thanks.
I told Rick no matter how hard we tried to make sure players get paid there would still be some unhappy people but we both understand that goes with the territory. Our goal was to to get as many of these 31 players who are still a mystery as to who they are (save one or two) received a fair shake, that is now a possible.
On top of that, whatever faults in the software that allowed players to take an unfair advantage during college football season when playing parlays is now corrected.
All the while we allowed everyone to voice their opinions, make jokes and ridicule the site, it's employees and of course it's sponsors. No civil posts were deleted, or edited, and all threads were alowed to stand. Everyone was allowed to speak their mind, no one is on post review and only the most obscene or profane posts were moved to the Rubber Room or edited.
Bottom line is tonight those 31 players have certain recourse they didn't have last night and that is IMO the most important thing to come out of this whole unhappy incident.
Thanks,wilheim
On top of that, whatever faults in the software that allowed players to take an unfair advantage during college football season when playing parlays is now corrected.
All the while we allowed everyone to voice their opinions, make jokes and ridicule the site, it's employees and of course it's sponsors. No civil posts were deleted, or edited, and all threads were alowed to stand. Everyone was allowed to speak their mind, no one is on post review and only the most obscene or profane posts were moved to the Rubber Room or edited.
Bottom line is tonight those 31 players have certain recourse they didn't have last night and that is IMO the most important thing to come out of this whole unhappy incident.
Thanks,wilheim
I agree the bets should have been voided quicker ideally, but from what I understand, the software error wasn't even alerting anyone that this was going on, and the guys at Sportsbook probably figured the software blocked the bet from being made in the first place. I understand what you are saying but I see this case the same as someone taking a shot on a bad line... if I bet the Rockies +4500 in G1 of the World Series and the real line is +145, I deserve to lose the money IMO. Anyway, I know I don't have the popular view on this but as I see it, people violated the rules. Those that did it once or twice or just a few times are given the benefit of the doubt and got refunded... those that continuously broke the rules are getting their money taken away. I used to be a guy that always blamed the book but the more I think about some of this stuff, the more I tend to blame the player for not reading the rules and making bets that go against the rules they agreed to play by. Both the book and player are at fault, but I have no problem with this ruling.
Either way, it's Friday night and if I don't get some booze in me soon, I'm gonna go crazy. Have a good night folks. :toast:
This is a black eye for RX and sportsbook offshore gambling. What is sad is that SKYBOOK supports Sportsbook's decision. In an earkier post I mentioned Skybook didn't have a problem with Sporbook's handling of this matter accoding to a customer service supervisor that I spoke to on Wednesday. Posters need to stay away from this book as well. Bring back ESB and Bet US. They pay as long as you win a little bit. Big winners don't get paid. This whole mess makes SHRINK look like child"s play.
LIKE I SAID BE-4 THIS IS STARTING TO GET OLD !!! WIL THE "MOD" IS DOING THE BEST HE CAN !! W.T.F WE ALL KNOW AND HAVE KNOW FOR SOME TIME WWW.SPORTSBOOK.COM WAS A SHADY OUTFIT !! JUST DON'T BET WITH THEM ANY MORE !! P.S. AS OF TONIGHT I WILL NO LONGER BE "BULLDOGBOOGERS" MY NEW NAME IS MONGO SLADE !! FROM BROOKLAND,NY...... RETIRED IN CALIFORNIA:smoker2:
wilheim, I can understand your frustration because you want to resolve this situation and no matter what happens you guys are going to take some heat.
Lets go out on a limb and say the RX is able to get the money refunded to RX posters. Take it even further, they are able to negotiate and get back all money taken from all accounts regardless if they are posters here or not. And even further the RX gets Sportsbook to issue a public apology. Obviously this is an absurd scenario but,
Can you in honestly say that Sportsbook is a reputable book that should be recommended by the RX?
At some point everyone has had a concern sending money to an off-shore in fear of not getting paid, or having their money stolen.... this hits very close to home.
As a result of what has happened it is impossible to rectify the situation, maintain a relationship with Sportsbook and keep credibility with the forum posters.
The RX made it a lose - lose situation for themselves when Rick stated very early on that there was no chance the banners/associtation would come down as the RX is a business and they need revenue.
The RX drew a line in the sand very early and there is nothing that can be done to rectify the situation except end all association and move on.
WHAT does SB.com have to gain by all this????? (at this point especially)
Make all right period, only solution.
(I talk to 100's of average bettors weekly (consevative estimate) and they are starting to talk about this situation.
180K should be small potatoes in THE LONG RUN, very short sighted IMO.
Make things right, lets go forward.
Correct the software, refund the STOLEN $$$$ with a rollover and SB.com will be WAY WAY WAY stronger in the long term for doing so.
This money is a very very small fraction of the operations worth (website name alone).
**IMO this attitude is what got the attention of BOS to US authorities.
this kind of CRAP (IMO) is why bettors want regulation. Which would end offshore as CORPORATE BIGBOYS and their -110 and bare bones sportsbooks would take over. SAD.
Make all right period, only solution.
(I talk to 100's of average bettors weekly (consevative estimate) and they are starting to talk about this situation.
180K should be small potatoes in THE LONG RUN, very short sighted IMO.
Make things right, lets go forward.
Correct the software, refund the STOLEN $$$$ with a rollover and SB.com will be WAY WAY WAY stronger in the long term for doing so.
This money is a very very small fraction of the operations worth (website name alone).
**IMO this attitude is what got the attention of BOS to US authorities.
this kind of CRAP (IMO) is why bettors want regulation. Which would end offshore as CORPORATE BIGBOYS and their -110 and bare bones sportsbooks would take over. SAD.
Todd
Sportsbook.com has thousands of satisfied customers and yes I have no problem leaving them up here at The Rx - why, because we take care of our posters. Despite the so called 31 players getting funds confiscated blah blah blah (I am sick of writing the word correlated) there are still the thousands that get paid everyday. We weathered the storm with Sportsbook.com early this year when everyone was crying about slow pay but in the end they all got paid. Hell, I even had death threats from a guy owed $400 - they stopped when he got his check.
No matter what we do here we are going to have about two dozen detractors, most of them probably are upset we put a deal in place today (read post #50 above for example) but on the other hand we have 5 or 6 thousand posters and lurkers who will visit the site tomorrow because they want to and it's them that I care about and will do all I can if any of them need help.
So to answer what I think you are asking me - I have no problem with Sportsbook.com as a sponser. I can call them anytime during business hours 7 days a week and get a problem fixed in minutes if need be.
I appreciate you asking.
BOL. wil..
Sportsbook.com has thousands of satisfied customers and yes I have no problem leaving them up here at The Rx - why, because we take care of our posters. Despite the so called 31 players getting funds confiscated blah blah blah (I am sick of writing the word correlated) there are still the thousands that get paid everyday. We weathered the storm with Sportsbook.com early this year when everyone was crying about slow pay but in the end they all got paid. Hell, I even had death threats from a guy owed $400 - they stopped when he got his check.
No matter what we do here we are going to have about two dozen detractors, most of them probably are upset we put a deal in place today (read post #50 above for example) but on the other hand we have 5 or 6 thousand posters and lurkers who will visit the site tomorrow because they want to and it's them that I care about and will do all I can if any of them need help.
So to answer what I think you are asking me - I have no problem with Sportsbook.com as a sponser. I can call them anytime during business hours 7 days a week and get a problem fixed in minutes if need be.
I appreciate you asking.
BOL. wil..
This storm won't weather like the one last summer.
The slow pays were partially because of the U.S. government.
This is blatant theft.
It will pop up on forums for many months if not years. Sportsbook may have 10s of 1000s of players, but I will guarantee you, they have lost at least 1000 in this fiasco and they will continue to do so until they do the right thing.
I would not put a penny there and they have good lines.
Once a book steals once, they never have a problem doing it again.
I suspect this book is hurting very very badly financially. Otherwise it makes absolutely no sense. I would take even odds they do not have the cash on hand to cover all accounts if they had to today.
Sean
The slow pays were partially because of the U.S. government.
This is blatant theft.
It will pop up on forums for many months if not years. Sportsbook may have 10s of 1000s of players, but I will guarantee you, they have lost at least 1000 in this fiasco and they will continue to do so until they do the right thing.
I would not put a penny there and they have good lines.
Once a book steals once, they never have a problem doing it again.
I suspect this book is hurting very very badly financially. Otherwise it makes absolutely no sense. I would take even odds they do not have the cash on hand to cover all accounts if they had to today.
Sean
You know, the sports betting world would be a hell of a lot better place if instead of arresting JC, the U.S. government put him in charge of overseeing online wagering.
I've never met the guy and I'd trust him like I trust a bank.
Some of you people here are crazy. What Sportsbook did is theft. They took a shot. They knew what was going on. They have been in business for 10 years and in 10 years you mean to tell me every other book has found software to block certain parlays but sportsbook was too dumb to be able to do so?
Spin it how ever you want. I guarantee you sportsbook loses well over $180k in this decision.
Sean
I've never met the guy and I'd trust him like I trust a bank.
Some of you people here are crazy. What Sportsbook did is theft. They took a shot. They knew what was going on. They have been in business for 10 years and in 10 years you mean to tell me every other book has found software to block certain parlays but sportsbook was too dumb to be able to do so?
Spin it how ever you want. I guarantee you sportsbook loses well over $180k in this decision.
Sean
Sent the e mail to expedite@sportsbook.com, like I was told. My account has about 5 % in parlays and the rest is other action.
This was their response, an hour or so later
Dear X XXXXXXX,
Thank you for contacting us.
In accordance with our house rules parlay wagers cannot be accepted where individual wagers are connected, 'dependant' or 'correlated'.
Please accept our sincerest apologies for any inconvenience this issue may cause you, however this is company policy.
We are always here to help you. Please feel free to reply to this email if you have any additional questions in relation to this or any other matter.
Kind regards,
Cory Robertson
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www.Sportsbook.com
Everybody Bets!
What was the point of all this?
I never received the so called warning e mail either.
This was their response, an hour or so later
Dear X XXXXXXX,
Thank you for contacting us.
In accordance with our house rules parlay wagers cannot be accepted where individual wagers are connected, 'dependant' or 'correlated'.
Please accept our sincerest apologies for any inconvenience this issue may cause you, however this is company policy.
We are always here to help you. Please feel free to reply to this email if you have any additional questions in relation to this or any other matter.
Kind regards,
Cory Robertson
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www.Sportsbook.com
Everybody Bets!
What was the point of all this?
I never received the so called warning e mail either.
Wil statements like this mean to me you need a break. I understand you are under siege right now and have to do what your bosses say on top of deal with all the ridicule from all of us but to say people were crying about money they were owed after months is brutal.
Also if you keep weathering storms you make think about moving out of the rainy locations.
Im in the insurance business and all this is similar to what has happened to me in the past when a company starts stiffing people on claims.I help my customers as much as possible but if the company keeps creating a headache for me I move my customers who trust me to better companies and leave the mess behind even if the one may pay better commisions.
I will say again I would never stand up at a seminar in front of my clients though and say stop your crying all.
Just a bit of advice knowing your in a tough middle spot...
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