Stanford Wong from " Smart Sports Betting" How to use Trends Properly

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I just read Stanford Wong’s book “Sharp Sports Betting” and he advises you have to take great caution using trends. He said the main issue is many just don’t have a large enough sample size for the trend to be statistically significant.

I see people posting lots of trends here that may not have enough of a sample to meet this criteria. Small samples of < 40 just aren’t enough to be relevant. Conversely if you have a large sample > 200 your trend can easily be relevant

Wong mentions 95% as the standard for data being statistically significant. That is there is only a 5% chance the next game will not meet your trend.

He likes to operate at 1/1000 or 1/10,000 error rates as he doesn’t feel 95% is reliable enough in sports betting

I will explain the math below but it might be easier is to just use his table in the book for having a 1/10,0000 chance of an error. ie your trends should be at these levels or better. So at 20 games you need a trend of ~ 95% W-L to be significant, 60 you need 75%, 100 your trend can be good at 69% , at 500 58% is ok and at 1000, 54%

Games
Record
20
19-1
40
32-8
60
45-15
80
57-23
100
69-31
200
127-73
500
292-208
1000
539-441



I can condense his text down into some simple calcs you need to do to see if your sample is large enough.

You use 50% as the median for Wins and Losses Say your trend is CHI +3 at home is 7-3 in a sample of 10 50% would be 3-3 so you are 4 excess wins (7-3) from the 3-3 norm or median.

Take the square root of your sample size 10 or ~ 3. The is is the Standard Deviation (sd) of your sample. 2 standard deviations (95% confidence) is the most common measure of statistical significance. Wong uses ~ 3.5sd

Here that is 2 x 3 = 6 and your excess wins range is only 4. So in other words the stat isn't even 95% reliable. You would need to have 8-2 or better for that or in Wong’s case your sample wont be relevant until you have at least a size of 14.

However, if your sample is 100, and the record is 70-30, or 69-31 at 1/10,000 the data is ok.
 

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So you are going to take the advice of a guy who came up with a great Blackjack scheme and try to apply it to sports wagering. Good luck with that. Wong (real name John Ferguson) has been blackballed from many casino's because of his obvious card counting techniques in Vegas. A three year old can spot them. Ferguson depends on newby's to buy into his thinking, but fails to warn them of the pitfalls, some of which can be very painful.
 

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So you are going to take the advice of a guy who came up with a great Blackjack scheme and try to apply it to sports wagering. Good luck with that. Wong (real name John Ferguson) has been blackballed from many casino's because of his obvious card counting techniques in Vegas. A three year old can spot them. Ferguson depends on newby's to buy into his thinking, but fails to warn them of the pitfalls, some of which can be very painful.

It isn't advice. He doesn't offer advice or gambling strategies. The guy has an MBA and PHD in Finance. He is just pointing out you need a proper amount of data to have a trend that has any meaning statistically

His book is still one of the best on Sports Betting from a general analysis pt of view.
 

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I've heard of the book but never bought it, so can't speak for it or him......but, if he's selling books to gamblers, my question is this, if he's not making money at sports betting or whatever he's trying to sell, its a waste IMO......

There are tons of people that write booksbecause they ccan't make money doing what they're preaching......
Do you see Billy Walters writing books on how he wins at sports?

NO......only people writing books about how to win are people that can't win in the long run, hence the book!

Trends are a tool towards your arsenal of capping, not to live & die by......
 

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I've heard of the book but never bought it, so can't speak for it or him......but, if he's selling books to gamblers, my question is this, if he's not making money at sports betting or whatever he's trying to sell, its a waste IMO......

There are tons of people that write booksbecause they ccan't make money doing what they're preaching......
Do you see Billy Walters writing books on how he wins at sports?

NO......only people writing books about how to win are people that can't win in the long run, hence the book!

Trends are a tool towards your arsenal of capping, not to live & die by......

The guy doesn't offer gambling advice again. His book just deals w general information about betting, studies of ATS data, factors in setting the line, why lines move, etc etc

The topic on trends is just a study of how many games you need and the ATS W-L % for the trend to have any meaning or statistical significance. Again if you don't have a large enough sample a trend is worthless.
 

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The guy doesn't offer gambling advice again. His book just deals w general information about betting, studies of ATS data, factors in setting the line, why lines move, etc etc

The topic on trends is just a study of how many games you need and the ATS W-L % for the trend to have any meaning or statistical significance. Again if you don't have a large enough sample a trend is worthless.




I understand what you're saying, but some people see a glass half empty while others see it half full.......

He's using his mathematical ingenuity on the % of trends you need as a capper to have them looked at as worthwhile.

To each their own.......
 
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I never read his book but from what I gather the best thing was the 2 team 6pt teaser. There arent many plays per year and Vegas has caught on to those already because that book was written over a decade ago. I have a couple of gambling books only to give me an outline on how to cap. The formulas they give to come up with a point spread is useless as is the over/under. Maybe I got bad books but Im not buying another unless its Conquering Risk, but I hear you need to be a statistician to get anything out of that book so maybe I wont buy it.
 

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jgm4661;11170849 I see people posting lots of trends here that may not have enough of a sample to meet this criteria. Small samples of < 40 just aren’t enough to be relevant. Conversely if you have a large sample > 200 your trend can easily be relevant Wong mentions 95% as the standard for data being statistically significant. That is there is only a 5% chance the next game will not meet your trend. He likes to operate at 1/1000 or 1/10 said:
[TR]
[TD]Games[/TD]
[TD]Record[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]19-1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]32-8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]45-15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]57-23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]69-31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD]127-73[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]292-208[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]539-441[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Using a sample size of 100, I have not seen very many trends or "systems" with a 69% ATS success rate.
 

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I would bet that a 200 game trend that is 95% one way or the other is statistically impossible
 

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First of all, there are all kinds of "trends".

How logical is the trend? How many filters does it have?? And as mentioned, how many games does it have?

Trends, systems, whatever. I use them as the foundation of my handicapping, and it has served me well for years. Trends need updating, nobody is saying they last forever. There are trends that are profitable since 1998, but over the past 3-4 years may not be profitable. Trends are fluid, they aren't magic. They need to be logical. They need to be updated and checked to see of they are still relevant.

I hate player based trends, they are usually back fitted and have little bearing on why something happened.

What makes a good trend/system?
- A consistent year to year positive ROI (I prefer an overall ROI of at least 20%)
- Few filters or conditions.
- Logic. Does it make sense??

Since we are in the NFL forum, I'll use some NFL trends/systems as examples.

- A team that had the lead after the 1/2/3 quarter of their previous game, but lost. Today they play a division game. We play against and under. Over the last 6 years, Records are ATS and O/U:
2014: 2-9, 1-10 (1 Over, 10 Unders)
2013: 3-4, 3-4
2012: 2-2, 1-2-1
2011: 4-1, 2-3
2010: 2-1, 2-1
2009: 1-4, 1-4

Over the last 6 years, the ATS has had 3 winning years- 2 losing-1 push. The Totals have had 5 winning and 1 losing year. It is a much stronger trend/system/angle playing the total instead of the side, so I will play 1/2 unit on the side and 1 unit on the total. Does this fit the parameters for what I call a good system?
- Consistent Year to Year profitability. YES
- Few Filters/conditions? YES
- Logical? YES. Teams losing after leading the entire game can suffer a hangover/letdown the following week. In a divisional game, which ware often intense battles regardless of record, that can make a big difference with regards to covering.

If I know that over the last 6 years, the O/U is 10-24-1 (29.4%), then playing the UNDER in this situation makes a lot of sense. Its no different than another handicapper looking at stats to make their decision: Pts allowed, yardage, penalties, turnovers, whatever. They use that data to make a decision, I use a situational trend to make mine. I also know what percentage of the time I should win. That is what gambling is all about. Poker players assess the pot size and probability of hitting the card that makes their hand before deciding whether or not to call. Horse racing the same thing, getting fair odds before plunging on a horse.

Here's another and it goes against the Stanford Wong not enough data requirement: Play AGAINST a team that won their previous game by 3 or less as a Home Dog if it was a divisional game. Since 2008: 5-14. If they are on the road, play the UNDER (3-9)
2014: 0-4, 0-2
2013: 0-2, 1-1
2012: 2-1, 0-2
2011: 1-3, 0-1
2010: 1-2, 1-1
2009: 1-1, 1-0
2008: 0-1, 0-1

1 losing year ATS, the Total not bad.

Now, some may say thats not enough data. Well, how often do you think it happens? The logic? A team was a Home Dog, they weren't supposed to win. Winning a close game, at home in front of rabid fans, in a divisional game...that is a HUGE and very emotional win. Bitter rival, thrilling finish, fans going nuts. Its natural to have some sort of let down the following week.

Trends/systems/angle analysis gets a bad rap. Used properly, they are an excellent way to find winners and beat the odds. All you are doing is putting the odds and probability in your favor.

I'll have a thread this year with selections based on the systems/angles I've developed. Hopefully we have a winning season.
 

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I would bet that a 200 game trend that is 95% one way or the other is statistically impossible

At 200 games your trend is ok if it is 63% or better. 95% is just the confidence level in the data not the ATS trend %
 

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Here's another and it goes against the Stanford Wong not enough data requirement: Play AGAINST a team that won their previous game by 3 or less as a Home Dog if it was a divisional game. Since 2008: 5-14. If they are on the road, play the UNDER (3-9)
2014: 0-4, 0-2
2013: 0-2, 1-1
2012: 2-1, 0-2
2011: 1-3, 0-1
2010: 1-2, 1-1
2009: 1-1, 1-0
2008: 0-1, 0-1

1 losing year ATS, the Total not bad.

Now, some may say thats not enough data. Well, how often do you think it happens? The logic? A team was a Home Dog, they weren't supposed to win. Winning a close game, at home in front of rabid fans, in a divisional game...that is a HUGE and very emotional win. Bitter rival, thrilling finish, fans going nuts. Its natural to have some sort of let down the following week.

Trends/systems/angle analysis gets a bad rap. Used properly, they are an excellent way to find winners and beat the odds. All you are doing is putting the odds and probability in your favor.

I'll have a thread this year with selections based on the systems/angles I've developed. Hopefully we have a winning season.

Actually that is a pretty good trend and there is enough data to make it statistically significant as well.

I ran a query on the ATS db for previous game was a home dog win vs a conference foe. The next game that team only cover 40% or 211-294. This is > 500 sample and has > than the needed 58% W-L to be significant. ( Take the other team for 60% Wins)
 

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The records shown for the ATS records are if you DIDN"T fade the play. So if you did play the team that lost after leading, you would have been 2-9 last year. FADING them, as the system suggests, you would have been 9-2.

Same with the second system. 0-4 if you played the team off the close dog win, 4-0 if you played AGAINST.

Sorry for the confusion.
 

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