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[The Pooh]

Let me explain things to you. UCF is a second rate school who has a second rate team that plays in a second rate conference. That is why they will get left out of consideration.

As far as the school itself is concerned, UCF could not qualify academically to get into the Pac 12 or Big 10 Conference. Not even close. The SEC will not accept any new schools from a state that has an existing SEC School in it. So that leaves the other two. If UCF and USF are serious in trying to join one of those conferences, they are going to have to come up with money. LOTS of money. Now since UCF seems to be nothing more than a glorified JUCO, I seriously doubt that they can come up with that kind of cash. The alum and the community sure will not support them that way. So UCF is stuck until they finally get some financial backing.

 

[DeadLast]

Another thing that bothers many people is the fact that both UCF and USF. schools with large undergrad enrollment numbers, have never attempted to join the Big 12 (-2) Conference.

No, that is not a fact. USF and UCF have been petitioning for years to get into a P5 conference. Just last year Florida state representative Bobby Olszewski with the support of UCF AD Danny White contacted Big 12 Commissioner, Bob Bowlbsy, about joining the Big 12. He was told to go fly a kite - said expansion was no longer on the Big 12 agenda. The Orlando Sentinel have written numerous articles on this topic - I suggest you research for yourself

Better yet, if you don't know what you are talking about, step away from the keyboard and stop making up crap to justify your agenda.

 

[Knightrofins]

Let me explain things to you. UCF is a second rate school who has a second rate team that plays in a second rate conference. That is why they will get left out of consideration.

As far as the school itself is concerned, UCF could not qualify academically to get into the Pac 12 or Big 10 Conference. Not even close. The SEC will not accept any new schools from a state that has an existing SEC School in it. So that leaves the other two. If UCF and USF are serious in trying to join one of those conferences, they are going to have to come up with money. LOTS of money. Now since UCF seems to be nothing more than a glorified JUCO, I seriously doubt that they can come up with that kind of cash. The alum and the community sure will not support them that way. So UCF is stuck until they finally get some financial backing.

I am not sure where you are getting your research from but UCF actually ranked in the top 10 last year for student athletes who graduated last year (i believe they were tied for 9th with alabama but i may be mistaken). UCF can qualify academically for any conference, no problem. The money from alums are doing better but keep in mind, the school only started in 1963. We are still young. I have many successful friends who are alums who help as they have been working very diligent to get others to follow.

Not sure how they are considered a glorified JUCO, but thats probably part of your "ask a valid question to me, me give you a valid answer, then you come in and get all rude with no valid points" bipolar schtick.

 

[The Pooh]

UCF is NOT a member of the AAU (Association of American Universities) and WOULD NOT be allowed to join the Big 10 or Pac 12 under their new guidelines. These conferences want schools with students who have brains, and obviously UCF does not. Just look at their representative in here. One other thing. In case you have not figured it out, you are not liked by most people in here. Why do you stay? No one will force you out, but it seems a bit strange that someone would continue to remain in a place that he is so clearly unwanted in. Just a thought.

 

[DeadLast]

UCF is NOT a member of the AAU (Association of American Universities) and WOULD NOT be allowed to join the Big 10 or Pac 12 under their new guidelines. These conferences want schools with students who have brains, and obviously UCF does not.

Being a member of the aau obviously only suits the Pac 12 guidelines when it fits their agenda. If not, why would they have actively pursued Oklahoma and Oklahoma State a few years back?

Both the pac and big 10 are outstanding academic conferences but lets not go over-board. Might want to rethink your ‘students with brains’ comment because a quarter of the teams in the pac are non-aau members. Several (arizona st, washington state, oregon state) rank behind or are comparable to UCF by both forbes and usnews.

Furthermore, if you knew anything about the Association of American Universities, you would know membership does not imply academic superiority. It (aau) is a good ole boy network. While highly subjective and not all inclusive, membership is skewed toward research universities with large medical programs (research expenditure being of upmost importance).

As a result, some of the most prestigious academic institutions in the country are non aau members - Notre Dame, Dartmouth, Wake Forest and Boston College to name a few. On the flip side, some aau members are low on the academic totem pole. Take Oregon and Arizona, both pac and aau members. Oregon is ranked 227 on forbes list of top colleges. Arizona is even worse at 231. Those numbers put both universities below nearly half the schools in the sec (a conference better known for football than brains).

 

[The Pooh]

Please notice that I said "new" guidelines. I can understand you getting all upset but the fact of the matter is that the SEC, with the exception of Vanderbilt, is not the brightest bulb in the NCAA Conferences lamp. There are 5 Pac 12 Schools and 7 Big 10 schools ranked ahead of every SEC School except Vandy. Do not embarrass yourself by trying to say that the SEC as a whole, is just as smart as the Big 10 or Pac 12, because that just is not true. You have an undefendable position if that is what you think. It also doe NOT change the fact that the Pac 12 and Big 10 are far superior to the SEC when it comes to brain power. You said it yourself. "Oregon and Arizona, both pac and aau members. Oregon is ranked 227 on forbes list of top colleges. Arizona is even worse at 231. Those numbers put both universities below nearly half the schools in the sec (a conference better known for football than brains)." Nearly HALF? Meaning that there are over 7 schools in the SEC that rank worse than the bottom two Pac 12 Schools. Give it up. The next thing that you will be telling me is that whatver University you may have graduated from (if indeed you did graduate) it is better than USC

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[MackDonald]

Being a member of the aau obviously only suits the Pac 12 guidelines when it fits their agenda. If not, why would they have actively pursued Oklahoma and Oklahoma State a few years back?

Both the pac and big 10 are outstanding academic conferences but lets not go over-board. Might want to rethink your ‘students with brains’ comment because a quarter of the teams in the pac are non-aau members. Several (arizona st, washington state, oregon state) rank behind or are comparable to UCF by both forbes and usnews.

Furthermore, if you knew anything about the Association of American Universities, you would know membership does not imply academic superiority. It (aau) is a good ole boy network. While highly subjective and not all inclusive, membership is skewed toward research universities with large medical programs (research expenditure being of upmost importance).

As a result, some of the most prestigious academic institutions in the country are non aau members - Notre Dame, Dartmouth, Wake Forest and Boston College to name a few. On the flip side, some aau members are low on the academic totem pole. Take Oregon and Arizona, both pac and aau members. Oregon is ranked 227 on forbes list of top colleges. Arizona is even worse at 231. Those numbers put both universities below nearly half the schools in the sec (a conference better known for football than brains).

Try to calm down and relax a little "Pooh", condescension and politics is not the way to go here in a football Forum. We all know that the AAU and Forbes, as clever as they might be, often reeks with politics. (FYI: The RX does have a Political Forum where posters can vent his or her thoughts including the pursuit of academic excellence.

I recall that you informed the RX posters that you are a graduate of the University of Southern California, the claimant of (11) National Football Championships. Congratulations to you and your Alma Mater. Are you a Member of the American Association of University Women.?

 

[The Pooh]

I do not believe in Schools claiming National Championships. Talk about politics. The University of Alabama would lose half of their N.C's if we eliminated politics. That is why I really do not believe in that caca. I tend to look at the great teams. The teams that were unquestionably the best in that year. Rule #1. If you were NOT undefeated, you were NOT a great team. No excuses. Then I consider who these teams played, the talent on each undefeated team, the talent on their opponents and other things. The 1972 USC team is a good example. They went undefeated (12-0). The closest game they were in was a 9 point win @ #15 Stanford. They also defeated 5 other Top 20 teams. They outscored their opponents 467 to 134. Their team consisted in part, of players like Pat Hayden, Anthony Davis, Sam Cunningham, Lynn Swan, Charles Anthony and Richard Wood. That is the type of team I consider to be a great team. Their are others from other schools. Here is a rather interesting tidbit that will prove just how little last year's UCF undefeated season really means. In the past 20 seasons, there have been 9 teams that went undefeated and did not win the National Championship. So UCF's accomplishment was really no big deal. Look who they played. How many Top 20 teams did they play?