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Hello all,

Just wondering if anyone had any suggestions for a good sportsbook for baseball wagering and a good site for info on picking games. Any books you recommend?

I like TSN's fantasy source in combination with the game previews and profiles offered by mlb.com but I'm looking for something specifically for baseball wagering. Anybody have any recommendations?

Thanks

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Cuban - You should look for a book offering 10 cent baseball lines - several books come to mind. Many use Pinnacle, but others are also very good, I will let posters give recommendations. As far as handicapping baseball, I use sportsline, Covers, USA Today, and MLB.com for stats. Local newspapers from various team cities are also usefull for information.

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Good baseball books - Pinnacle, Grande, Cascade, and IIS.

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Thanks Wilhelm.

I like Millenieum's site for football teasers. I guess I'll check out Pinnacle and some of the others you mentioned. Somebody else also mentioned Pinnacle. Just curious, why do you guys like Pinnacle so much.

I play a lot of 2-3 team parlays and am considering baseball run-line teasers.

Hey, if you post a lot here lets keep in touch and compare notes, picks and info on baseball wagering. Thanks.

CX

P.S. Know of any good books (published material) on baseball wagering? Thanks.
 

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Excellent baseball wagering book. Can be obtained on-line for less than $10 at The Gamblers Book Shop in Vegas.


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Wow, thanks. I was looking for something like that. Check these articles out. You might find it interesting. Thanks.

CX


Betting Baseball
It May Not Be Sexy But It Pays Off Better Than Other Sports
by Buzz Daly

Today, for some American men, trying to make a living betting on sports is the stuff that dreams are made of. During the year we receive many inquiries from aspiring handicappers who want advice on turning pro. But as long-time professional sports bettor Lem Banker says, you have a better chance of becoming a rock star. That’s because most bettors opt for sports that are very tough to beat.

The NFL and NBA are seen as offering the greatest opportunities. Football with its once a week drama is a sport made for wagering. According to estimates, approximately $75 million is bet every week of the NFL season in Nevada and offshore with millions more wagered illegally. Bookmakers insist that football can’t be beat by the players. Some betting syndicates are known to compile winning football seasons, but these are not individual handicappers. “If a bettor is looking to get an advantage over the books, he should look to baseball,” advises Belize-based Carib Sportsbook managing director William J. Caesar.

After the football season, about 25 percent of the bettors drop out, said Caesar. Another 25 percent fall away at the conclusion of the NCAA basketball season, and when the NBA concludes its playoffs, still another 12.5 percent pack it in. The public has been weaned on point spreads, suggests Caesar. It’s too much trouble to figure out the meaning of money lines, which are how baseball odds are expressed. For instance: Yankees -1.55, Indians +1.45. That means Yankee bettors must put up $1.55 to win $1, while Indian backers receive $1.45 for each $1 bet. The example uses the ten-cent line, which is the straddle between the favorite and dog price.

The existence of the ten-cent line is a significant erosion of the bookmakers’ edge and is available only in baseball. In football and basketball, the standard 20-cent line prevails, whereby players lay -1.10 on both the favorite and dog. The 20-cent line is also offered by many sportsbooks on their baseball lines, which makes them less attractive for sharp players. However, when the number is right, the sharps bet into books that post 20-cent lines. Nonetheless, the purpose of the 20-cent line is to drive away the sharps and professionals, and limit a book’s clientele to recreational players, or as they are called, by the books, “squares.”

When offshore books started growing, in the early 1990s, baseball was a small staple, but when online wagering opened up the industry to a whole new market of players, betting volume spiked. Today, offshore books deal baseball primarily to wiseguys and scalpers. Carib’s Caesar estimates that 20 percent of the players calling in bets or clicking away on the Internet are doing it for a living.

Some bettors follow syndicates by monitoring the Don Best screen for line movements or by checking other line services, however figuring out the syndicates’ moves can be dangerous. Professionals despise the followers and go to great lengths to mislead them. Syndicates win because they simply have stronger resources than the oddsmakers and bookmakers, including software developers who have created sophisticated programs that give them a winning edge.

Here’s how they do it. The starting lineups for a game, along with starting pitchers, are obtained. Then 50,000 or 100,000 simulated games are run on a computer. The results are compared with the game’s opening line. When a bettable edge between their results and the line is seen, their movers or beards pound the books. Legions of movers—bettors with substantial post-up balances or credit at leading offshore books—swing into action. The syndicates give them a game to bet at a specific price, and instantly they are on the phone and computer getting down on that number.

Movers do not have discretion to take a game at a higher price than the order they’ve been given. Say, the game is the Braves at -1.25. If the line has gone to -1.28, the mover has to pass. If he finds the game is at -1.23, he’ll put in the bet, and if it wins, pocket the two cents difference between the syndicate order and what was actually booked. When you’re betting five to fifty dimes a game, those two-cent windfalls can add up to serious money.

We’re not implying that the average bettor can replicate the advantages of a syndicate that, in addition to its oddsmaking prowess, gets inside info from well-placed stringers all over the country. But a sharp handicapper who understands the dynamics of betting, and possesses the discipline to ride out a losing streak without blowing all his cheese, can show a profit betting baseball. One advantage often overlooked is that baseball parlays pay true odds, whereas the fixed parlay payoffs in football and baskets includes increasingly higher vigorish as the numbers of teams increase. Sure, it’s tough putting together more than one winner. But at least in betting a baseball parlay, the player isn’t bucking outrageous odds set by the house. Another advantage for the bettor is the inability of the books to move a line that will eventually cause the favorite not to cover, as can be done in football and baskets.

Earlier, we referred to the possibility of getting a bettable number from a shop with a 20-cent line. While we don’t advocate betting into such a line, baseball odds are extremely volatile. Once the syndicates swing into action, a -1.25 favorite can go off at -1.60, or worse. And players with multiple outs can occasionally find the number they want at a book offering a 20-cent line. “The 20-cent line doesn’t stop the wiseguys,” said Caesar, whose book has a 20-cent line. “It just slows them down a bit.”

If you can crunch numbers and stay abreast of injuries, while factoring in the relative strengths of starting pitchers, available bull pen, managers, the home field, which way the wind is blowing, and any bias by the home plate umpire, you might be one of the few who can make money betting baseball!



Betting Baseball - 2001
The Fatman Speaks
by Ernie Kaufman

It seems like only yesterday when Elliot Liberman and I would pay 50 cents to watch the Red Sox from the bleachers in Fenway Park in Boston. That was more than 45 years ago. Since then - as a player, spectator, and bettor - my love for baseball has only increased.

Specifically, as a gambler, my fondness for the game has multiplied because it is a game of distinct, statistical patterns, and thus is an excellent game to analyze for trends and systems.

Baseball is different from other sports one commonly bets on. The main reason is all one must do to be a winner is merely to select the team that wins the game.

This may sound ridiculously obvious to some, but remember that when one wagers on a football or basketball game, the team must not only win the game, but also beat the pointspread. In baseball, this is not the case. One simply lays or takes odds on the team he expects to win the game.

Another factor that sets major league baseball apart from other sports is the long, 162-game schedule. Baseball teams will play approximately six games per week for six consecutive months. Football teams, on the other hand, play a mere 16 games during their regular season.

With the abundance of games each baseball season, the sports handicapper has a much larger sampling to analyze and from which to draw conclusions. Thus, he can spot trends in baseball more easily that he might in other sports.

All this understood, the baseball wagerer should be aware of some general handicapping tips before he delves into his day-to-day selection process.

Any team one wishes to bet on must meet five basic conditions:
· No key defensive player - catcher, shortstop, center fielder or bullpen ace - is out because of injury.
· Your team's starting pitcher is not on a losing streak of two or more games. The starting pitcher's current form is the No. 1 factor in determining the outcome of a baseball game. Therefore, all starting pitchers should be studied with extreme care.
· Your team should not be on a serious losing streak. Ideally, you would like your team to have won at least six of its past 10 games.
· Your team should be rested. You cannot bet any team that has been playing an inordinate number of doubleheaders… or one that has spent the previous night flying across country. Nor should you look to be betting on any team that does not have at least one adequate relief pitcher ready for action.
· Your team should not be in any serious batting slump. The team should have averaged at least three runs and eight hits per game during their previous 10 to 15 games.

There… you have a solid base from which to build a good handicapping method. Pursue it patiently and correctly, and you will be on your way to many countless hours of entertainment - and also an enormous profit.

Cuban thanks for the post, but please no sportbook links. thanks, wil.

[This message was edited by wilheim on April 04, 2004 at 06:05 PM.]

[This message was edited by wilheim on April 04, 2004 at 06:06 PM.]
 

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wilheim: why do you like IIS for baseball? I am looking around for new books for baseball and it is my understanding that IIS does not have reduced juice on MLB. Maybe there are other reasons that I am not aware of?
 

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Gooch, IIS does offer reduced juice on baseball, basketball and football. You can check thier site out from this Rx. link.

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CUBAN,

YOU ASK IF WIL POST'S HERE MUCH..LOL..HOW DOES 10K IN POST'S AND COUNTING SOUND....G
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Just curious, why do you guys like Pinnacle so much. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lines are unique and often give better value than competitors. The reputation of Pinnacle is of the highest regards. They have much variety. They pay on demand. Pinnacle is a great out for a line shopper.

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Check out SPORTSBETTING.COM -- they offer a 10 cent line on most games and 10 cent totals on ESPN televised games. They also have a good news and info section on MLB baseball. You can find the news and info on their home page on the right side under Sports News.

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Cuban, as you and Wil noted(TSN & Newslink.org) are great for bases, then there is baseball-insight.com(pay, but nice left-right/day-night info & tidbits), statfox.com & covers.com, sportsline.com,etc..all of quality.

As Wil said, Newslink.org is a must for any capper of any sport..beat writers!

Get a Grundig multi-band/short wave receiver radio, it will allow you better coverage of local pre & post game shows(former players and mgrs of said franchises w/locker room access & friendships is insight indeed), as many of the large network guys & cookie-cutter clutter coverage of teams on their lead-ins are mostly token.

The dime-line is slightly coming back into vogue, to drum up biz, so shop around as Wil points out.
 

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