Something fishy at Hollywood

[BoratSagdiyev]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ladeda:

Umm partyboy, seems you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about. Olympic has a 60 sec lock on the confirmation screen. The price won't change for at least 60 seconds. It is an awesome feature. Unfortnetely I think Olmpic is the only one who has it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is why Oly is best for the Borat. Very fair way to do it. Almost seem like Greek guy like to give money to Borat. Thank you
Mr Spirock. You are the Hungarians.

 

[neilm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve McGarrett:
Place your bets on the phone and you wont have this problem. Oh, whats that? You can't steal a line on the phone? I can't feel any sympathy for you guys.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if you have the -107 line set from HW (which you can get instead of bonuses or other perks)...you can ONLY get the -107s online. So using your phone it in approach is not a viable option unless you want a 3 cent line move against on every bet.

 

[Chadster]

daryl if u don't follow the screen and actually get an oponion of ur own then you won't have to worry about the line moving.

 

[mvbski]

also how do you steal a line ? as long as its not a obvious bad number how are you stealing it

 

[Chadster]

the play hasn't made it to the book yet or the linesman is slow to move it or hasn't seen it. if u get the play down b4 the line moves then u stole the line. its called chasing steam like daryl does.......a follower.

 

[Slash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by partyboy:
Slash, you don't know what you're talking about. OLY's prices DO change until you confirm your wager(both ways).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Party, at least I know more than you do. You should try emailing Oly and ask them, as it seems you don't know how their software works.

 

[Slash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michael777:
ladeda,i disagree,i have put my initials in,and bet within 5 seconds,and have had bets at olympic rejected<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are at the "counter" screen, the line cannot change. Period.

 

[mvbski]

Jay,I know what steam,follower etc is but in 20 years I have never heard it call'd stealing a line Thanks

 

[DarrylParsons]

Jay,

Do you not see a difference between following steam and line shopping? Following steam means you are sitting there looking at the numbers waiting for the lines to move and you only make your bet when it finally does. I don't do that. Why? Because it's not a very enjoyable way to do sports betting. If I wanted to do that all day I'd be in the securities business and make quite a lot of money at it, much more than one could make at dime limit steam playing.

Line shopping means you know you are going to bet on a certain side at a certain time no matter what and you check a few books first to see where the best line is. Sometimes you happen to be there when a line moves and this can happen a lot when the line moves are frequent.

One is a deliberate attack on the line while the other is just happenstance. I make many bets a day so even with chance occurrences I get 100 such situations over a few months at a book like Hollywood at which I make a high percentage of my bets due to the low juice.

Please don't say I do something I do not do. It offends me. I can understand that you don't sympathize with my situation because books don't like line shoppers as much as recreational parlay players. Fine. We can agree to be on different sides of the issue. I'm not looking for sympathy anyway. I am simply asking a question to the forum because I think I may have found a glitch in the software (accidental or deliberate but that's secondary) that works against the player. After all, this is what this forum is about, isn't it?

I should also mention, just to avoid misunderstandings, that Hollywood is a fine book IMO who always pays fast, has good customer service, and is one of the really solid shops out there. But a glitch is a glitch (if my suspicions are true) and I intend to get to the bottom of this issue to the extent that I can from here.

 

[THE SHRINK]

Hollywood is as solid as it gets!

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

Darryl is a straight up guy. I think he is on to something major here. For this to be in the books favor so often there is definately some cheap $hit going on here. It may be practiced by several book who need not be mentioned. What a huge edge this is for books, getting the short end of every move makes a book much more profitable at the expense of the poor saps who are indifferent to this type of manipulation or don't even realize it.

Props to this Spiro from Olympic for giving away money by doing this. It does hurt his bottom line but I think he values his reputation above all else and is willing to allow this to happen rather than be accused of cheating anyone. he didn

 

[HuckFinn]

Hollywood is the real deal, a very rock solid shop. I've had lines change for and against me. That comes with placing wagers online. If you want to pick your prices, just keep it simple and get on the phone.

 

[DarrylParsons]

Borat,

Thanks for the support man. I was wondering if I am the only one who cares about this!? It seems more industry insiders want to tell me I'm a bad boy for being intelligent than there are players whose interests I am representing who might want me to carry on with this. The industry guys say I should be quiet because I am cutting into their action. Kind of mafia-like. Good thing they can't shoot me through the internet.

As for the phone option there are a number of reasons why that won't work for me...

1) As I understand reduced juice is not available over the phone. I know, I know I'm a bad boy for wanting reduced juice <spank> OUCH! There I just hit myself for you. I'll go stand in the corner now.

2) Overseas calls (even the 800 numbers) are quite expensive for me.

3) We have this wonderful technology that allows overseas communication for almost no cost. The internet is the future. It would be silly to not use such a powerful tool if you have it if only as a matter of principle.

I would like to hear if there is any more support out there because going through this much trouble just for myself isn't really worth it. Maybe I should side with the bookies, be happy I'm privy to information I can use to my advantage, keep my cut and be quiet!?

Come to think of it this thread is a good metaphor for communism. People who have the ability and willingness to help others see that the others don't really want to be helped so they just say fvck it and join the communist party. It's starting to make more sense now but I digress...

 

[TheGeneral+]

Darryl Parsons,

I like Hollywood alot, but you have a belief and you have every right to pursue your thoughts and ideas just as a book would if they thought you were doing them wrong. You got to do what you got to do buddy. I have had dealings with you in the past and I feel you are an honest individual who would not just make this blanket theory up unless you thought you were right.

Take care

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

I agree with General about Hollywood being a class act. It may be unfair to single them out. I understand the Rx's stance since they are a paid advertiser. They shouldn't be singled out since it is so prevalent. Rather Olympic should be praised for the way they do it. Email me please Darryl.

 

[DarrylParsons]

Borat,

email has been sent.

General,

Thanks for the props. I will give the experiment a shot for no other reason than to satisfy my curiosity. I will report back here in a few days with my findings whichever way it comes out.

 

[GORD]

From OlympicTicket Help Screen suggestions/comments
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Commonly Asked Questions



I have made quite a few selections, but now when I go to confirm the selections the lines have updated. Why is this happening?

Lines are constantly changing. In order to ensure that you receive the line that you want, you should always confirm the wager as soon as possible. Once you are at the confirmation screen, all lines are fixed for limited amount of time to give you a chance to verify the wager. If any line changes have occurred before this point you will see * Line Updated as a warning that the line has changed since you made your selection. You will still be able to continue and place the bet with the new line.

 

[acw]

I even start to refuse to play with books that move the line after my bet!

They wait until you confirm before they tell you the line has moved.
This is even worse!

Where are the stand-up bookies? Ido used to be one of them. He would make the price better after I would put on my bet, if it were just to give me a bad feeling, since he would not allow me to bet even more then.

Come on Darryl, you do not want to waste your time too much on this type of rubbish!

By the way do you use BetFair a lot? Recently I discovered how to fvck some of those bots. They too can make prices unintended better! Very very interesting!

 

[DarrylParsons]

acw,

Your vision of the future is looking less and less crazy as time goes on.

I have never tried Betfair except to just browse their offerings/odds. It's a good concept but their hold seems a bit high. Remember that what looks like their juice is actually their hold. Pinnacle for example has 2.5% juice but I can't imagine them having more than about 1% hold. Betfair works on double that even for their most valued clients so it doesn't look like such a great deal to me. Of course I could be wrong and I'm willing to listen to any other points you may have.

Fvcking the bots!? Ouch! That sounds like it hurts!

 

[AfraidOfBush]

I think hollywood is honorable. haven't had issues with them.