Some Movie Locks

ppeter · Nov 10, 2006

Labeeb said:
Are you the only person with a dime limit on box office? Everyone else's limit appears to be the usual 350.

No. There are many others on this site that have different limits at Pinny. They are not one size fits all.

syddiggers · Nov 10, 2006

The dime limit is absolute bullshit. My acc tis limited to $350 max. Id like to see a confirmation of the dime wager, and not just him entering a dime play and cutting and pasting around where it says limit exceeded.

No one cares what youre having on the play, so there is no need to fudge figures. Any inof or input provided is valued by all concerned, especially those of us with less knowledge on the topic. Im in agreeance with Royalfan in that if youre the only guy theyre letting bet dimes on the movies while everyone else is limited to 300/350, then they must really respect your opinion. Contact their CS dept, I think theyll give you 5 dimes.

HuskerFan1 · Nov 10, 2006

i dont...i just covered my over 9 at pinny with an under9 at greek at a small loss..it could still go over 9M but i dont like the way the lines moving...

i have 2 plays now from monday night at good #'s...

under return
under a good year

gl

ppeter · Nov 10, 2006

HuskerFan1 said:
i dont...i just covered my over 9 at pinny with an under9 at greek at a small loss..it could still go over 9M but i dont like the way the lines moving...

i have 2 plays now from monday night at good #'s...

under return
under a good year

gl

I don't blame you, I am squirming with the Babel over play as well. My hope is it generates Oscar-worthy buzz (most critics love it so far) and the Brad Pitt Kate Blanchett draw factors in as well. Good luck with your other two plays.

Labeeb · Nov 10, 2006

ppeter said:
No. There are many others on this site that have different limits at Pinny. They are not one size fits all.

In a market where they obviously aren't confident in their numbers as seen by the relatively low limits, why would they offer someone almost 3x that? If the big action was "sharp", couldn't they just limit that player, book the "squares" and count the money?

WVU · Nov 10, 2006

I manage accounts that have dime limits on this. I also manage accounts that have $100 limits on this. There seems to be no rhyme nor reason to this.

HPark1 · Nov 10, 2006

Babel O9.5 +200
STF O14 +130

Good plays for me. Don't understand the line movement. Both have solid reviews which should produce a good internal multiplier for the weekend. Bonus with schools out today as it should boost Friday sales.

For Friday a 5.5+ for STF and 3.5+ for Babel will set up nicely.

advice for entertainment purposes only

ppeter · Nov 10, 2006

HPark1 said:
Babel O9.5 +200
STF O14 +130

Good plays for me. Don't understand the line movement. Both have solid reviews which should produce a good internal multiplier for the weekend. Bonus with schools out today as it should boost Friday sales.

For Friday a 5.5+ for STF and 3.5+ for Babel will set up nicely.

advice for entertainment purposes only

Man, glad to to have you onboard the Babel over play---I was getting lonely against the world :toast:

HPark1 · Nov 11, 2006

Well it looks like I'll be getting PPeter's dime limits anytime now.

Stranger comes in with just under 5 mill. Its going to need a 2.9 multiplier, looking very shaky. Maybe a 25-30% chance of this happening considering Friday's sales were presumably higher because of veterans day.

Babel is cooked with somewhere around 2 mill.

This wasn't the way I drew it up. :nohead:

Other movies;

A Good Year around 1.5 mill, Borat around 9.5 , Harsh Times around half a mill.

Basically everything is looking under the number posted at Pinny.

mj23 · Nov 11, 2006

GOT the under on A GOOD YEAR and it should cash very easily!!

HuskerFan1 · Nov 11, 2006

everything bombed...

especially a good year and babel...christ well under2million on friday..

bought back my babel bet (smart move)
bought back my borat bet (smart move)

should end up going 2-0 on under good year and return did less than 2million on friday that should stay well under my 7million

ppeter · Nov 11, 2006

Where did you guys see the Babel numbers?

Unreal if it did $2 mill with 1200 screens when it did almost $1 mill on only 35 screens when it opened on limited release :nopityA:

HuskerFan1 · Nov 11, 2006

there is a bunch of sites you can check

showbizdata usually has them up 1st but they tend to be off sometimes but they are ballpark

boxofficemojo gets the actual #s but they update last usually...

you cant look at theatres and say well X theatres = a movie will do good...(look at Harsh Times that freaking BOMBED)...when babel opened limited release it opened in HUGE theatres that can pull massive #'s in MAJOR US markets (nyc/la etc)...thats why the #s looked impressive...now that it went wide its gonna rely more on smaller markets to carry it through bc many people in the bigger markets had 2 weeks already to go see it...

i agree i am a little surprised it did that bad myself...but there were a lot of new releases...and lots of competition...

the only new release that has a shot is STF and thats gonna be close...

HPark1 · Nov 11, 2006

Here's Box office mojo's numbers.

<tbody><tr><th bgcolor="#dcdcdc">Rank*</th><th bgcolor="#dcdcdc">Title (Click to view chart)</th><th bgcolor="#dcdcdc"><a href="/daily/chart/?sortdate=2006-11-10&p=.htm">Friday 11/10</a> (Estimates)</th><th bgcolor="#dcdcdc"><a href="/daily/chart/?sortdate=2006-11-11&p=.htm">Saturday 11/11</a></th><th bgcolor="#dcdcdc"><a href="/daily/chart/?sortdate=2006-11-12&p=.htm">Sunday 11/12</a></th><th bgcolor="#dcdcdc"><a href="/daily/chart/?sortdate=2006-11-13&p=.htm">Monday 11/13</a></th></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">1</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=borat.htm">BORAT: CULTURAL LEARNINGS OF AMERICA FOR MAKE BENEFIT GLORIOUS NATION OF KAZAKHSTAN</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=fox.htm">Fox</a> 2,566</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">$9,925,000 214.3% / $3,868 $48,767,000 / 8</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">2</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=santaclause3.htm">THE SANTA CLAUSE 3: THE ESCAPE CLAUSE</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=buenavista.htm">Buena Vista</a> 3,458</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">$5,485,000 330% / $1,586 $29,644,000 / 8</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">3</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=flushedaway.htm">FLUSHED AWAY</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=pardw.htm">Paramount (DreamWorks)</a> 3,707</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">$5,395,000 344.7% / $1,455 $28,616,000 / 8</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">4</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=strangerthanfiction.htm">STRANGER THAN FICTION</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=sony.htm">Sony / Columbia</a> 2,264</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">$4,855,000 -- / $2,144 $4,855,000 / 1</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">5</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=saw3.htm">SAW III</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=lionsgate.htm">Lionsgate</a> 3,013</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">$2,235,000 136.4% / $742 $65,514,000 / 15</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">6</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=revolver.htm">THE RETURN</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=roguepictures.htm">Rogue Pictures</a> 1,986</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">$1,805,000 -- / $909 $1,805,000 / 1</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">7</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=babel.htm">BABEL</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=paramountvantage.htm">Paramount Vantage</a> 1,251</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">$1,725,000 1692.3% / $1,379 $3,562,000 / 15</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">8</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=prestige.htm">THE PRESTIGE</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=buenavista.htm">Buena Vista</a> 2,236</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">$1,630,000 153% / $729 $43,037,000 / 22</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">9</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=departed.htm">THE DEPARTED</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=warnerbros.htm">Warner Bros.</a> 2,210</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">$1,570,000 145.9% / $710 $106,108,000 / 36</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">10</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=goodyear.htm">A GOOD YEAR</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=fox.htm">Fox</a> 2,066</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">$1,235,000 -- / $598 $1,235,000 / 1</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">11</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=flagsofourfathers.htm">FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=pardw.htm">Paramount (DreamWorks)</a> 1,963</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">$895,000 117.1% / $456 $29,034,000 / 22</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">12</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=queen.htm">THE QUEEN</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=miramax.htm">Miramax</a> 484</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top">$765,000 134.7% / $1,581 $11,949,000 / 42</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#f4f4ff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">13</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"><a href="/movies/?id=harshtimes.htm">HARSH TIMES</a> <a href="/studio/chart/?studio=mgm.htm">MGM</a> 956</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top">$720,000 -- / $753 $720,000 / 1</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffecb0" valign="top">-</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffecb0" valign="top"> -</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffecb0" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffecb0" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffecb0" valign="top"> N/A</td><td align="center" bgcolor="#ffecb0" valign="top"> N/A</td></tr></tbody>

ppeter · Nov 11, 2006

Thanks Hpark.

Yeah, I would agree, no way it goes over with that poor a start. I guess the only ones that wanted to see it were in those 35 original target cities. Congrats to all who had the under.

mj23 · Nov 13, 2006

Where can i get results i have Under A Great Year??

WVU · Nov 13, 2006

final numbers anyone? Not enough screens to hit those overs I am afraid. This is traditionally a bad time to be at the box office. It is slow season.

mj23 · Nov 13, 2006

When you have so many mediocre movies and 1 fairly strong one the bets are on the Unders.Just my opinion.

mj23 · Nov 13, 2006

Mine still is not graded lets hope this is not like that FLA election!!

HPark1 · Nov 13, 2006

SBD has weekend estimates up with Sunday included. Keep in mind these numbers are not actuals and could be off by a couple hundred thousand or so. The actuals usually come out around 4 est.

Borat 29,013,865
Stranger 14,100,000
Babel 5,679,872
A Good Year 3,775,000

The Return and Harsh Times aren't on the top 10 here. The Return estimated 4.75 and Harsh estimated 1.8.