So what's behind the way the SEC schedules games? Could it backfire if the playoff selection committee doesn't like it?

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We are talking about an 8 game conference schedule vs what didn't happen as expected, a 9 game conference schedule. Could it be another PR ploy by trying to make its teams look better when they beat a team with less losses than if every conference team played one extra conference game? (14 teams means there will be 7 more losses to spread around if a ninth conference game had been decided upon instead of remaining at 8.) I thought for sure that the conference would go to a 9 game schedule since they added 2 extra teams but that didn't happen.

It looks to me that the SEC will be the odd man out when everyone else goes to a 9-game schedule within a couple of years. If that winds up devaluing a possible playoff team's conference opponents, everyone of them taking less risk by avoiding a certain loss for half of them, it could backfire against a potential playoff team with one loss vs another team with one loss from another conference that plays a 9-game conference schedule. Collectively their opponents may have lost fewer games but that won't count in their favor the way it would appear to do. That could be the likely case because word is out that schedule difficulty will count heavily possibly even paving the way for a 2-loss team being selected over a 1-loss team with an abundance of cupcake opponents.

It seems to me that the conference is counting on the selection committee not weighing the shorter schedule vs the longer schedule with one or two of the the top teams "looking better" with just an 8-game conference schedule... in other words, their conference opponents will appear to be stronger with fewer losses. That might backfire. I personally hope that it will because I really would like to see every conference approach every season on a level playing field -- whatever it takes.

Here's the article I just read on this subject:


Debating the SEC's future schedule model

April, 28, 2014 1:48

PM ET

By Ted Miller and Adam Rittenberg | ESPN.com

The SEC's long-awaited future schedule model came out Sunday, and it looks a lot like its predecessor. The league maintained an eight-game league schedule with longstanding division crossover games, rather than going to nine league games. Beginning in 2016, the conference will require each member to play one nonconference game against a team from a power conference on an annual basis. Teams will continue to be allowed to schedule FCS opponents.

Reporters Ted Miller and Adam Rittenberg weigh in on the SEC's schedule structure.

Ted Miller: Well, Adam, you knew it was coming. We live in an age when if you want to do something sneaky and con the public, you claim you are doing the opposite of your true intent. And then repeat it over and over again until some believe it really is opposite day.

Even we fall for it. Our ESPN.com headline says, "Schedule strength is SEC priority," when the opposite is actually the truth.


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The SEC is sticking with an
eight-game league schedule.

It's irrelevant outside of the SEC whether the conference retained its "longstanding non-divisional rivalries." It's also irrelevant that the SEC insists it will continue to upgrade its nonconference schedule.

The only thing that matters is the SEC's massive con that games the system as we move toward the College Football Playoff: The SEC will maintain its eight-game conference schedule when other major conferences are -- or are planning to -- play nine conference games.

That is the only thing that matters, and this is nothing more than the SEC giving itself an annual advantage by deciding that it will eliminate seven losses from its standings.

This is not regional bias, folks. This is not SEC jealousy. This is something called "math."

With an eight-game SEC schedule, 5-7 teams become 6-6 teams. And 8-4 teams become 9-3 teams. And that 11-1 team that beat the 9-3 team that should really be 8-4 will look better than the 11-1 team in the Big 12, Pac-12 or Big Ten that beat an 8-4 team who would be 9-3 in the SEC.

Those sentences might glaze over many eyes and evoke a "Huh?" But they are the very thing that won the day among SEC leaders when it was decided to duck the mathematical realities of a nine-game conference schedule.

I'll now take a breath. Adam, what do you think?

Adam Rittenberg: It makes me less excited about the playoff, for starters. Maybe I'm naïve, but I saw the playoff, with its purported emphasis on schedule strength, as the great equalizer in scheduling. Maybe it still will be, but I have my doubts.

You cover a league (Pac-12) that for years has employed the most challenging schedule model in the country: nine league games plus marquee nonconference contests. I cover a league (Big Ten) that has traditionally resided in cupcake city. But three factors -- the playoff, an expanded conference and an upcoming TV contract -- triggered the Big Ten to adopt a nine-game league schedule, no more FCS opponents in the near future and stronger nonleague opponents. This is good for the fans. Expansion might remain a sore subject for some, but the idea of playing each other more, not less, is a good one.

If every league had the same model -- nine league games, at least one marquee nonleague game, a championship game -- it would create a degree of equity, produce more appealing games for fans and allow the selection committee to evaluate teams with similar profiles.

This SEC chest-puffing about the requirement to schedule one nonleague game against an opponent from a power conference is the most laughable part of Sunday's announcement. SEC teams already do this, just like those from the Big Ten, Pac-12 and so on. What really changes here? Can I still see SEC teams playing FCS teams in November? OK, cool, just checking. Rejoice, SEC fans.

Now fast-forward to December 2016, and the selection committee is choosing between a two-loss Pac-12 or Big Ten champion, which has played nine league games plus a championship game, and a one-loss, second-place SEC team with eight league games and no championship game. If the SEC team is chosen, it invalidates the whole system. Here's hoping the committee makes the right call.


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Alabama crushed FCS foe Chattanooga in
2013; FCS Western Carolina is on tap in 2014.

Perhaps then, we'll see the SEC align at nine.

But maybe this has the opposite effect: leagues backing away from playing more conference games. The ACC has a similar decision ahead.

What do you think comes next?

Miller: Know what would be great? If SEC fans would realize they are being cheated, just as much as the rest of college football. Why would Alabama fans rather watch a game against a Sun Belt team more often than, say, Georgia?

It would be great if they demanded a better schedule, one that went further toward determining the best teams in the SEC. In a 14-team league, how can anyone insist playing eight conference games rather than nine is better and more equitable?

Of course, that won't happen. As you and I have seen through the years, it's mostly "my conference, wrong or right" in the SEC. The typical SEC fan response when their conference is criticized ranges from "Well, your conference stinks!" to "We owned the BCS!" Folks down South tend to defensively circle the wagons instead of aspire to some objective self-analysis, though you could reasonably argue that is a powerful syndrome operating throughout college football.

Part of that defensiveness is there is no real rebuttal. This isn't an argument. It's an empirical truth that the SEC is gaming the system by playing eight conference games.

So as to what actually might come next, my thought is the CFP selection committee needs to make a stand: An eight-game conference schedule should automatically operate as a demerit as it falsely elevates the apparent strength of a conference.

What do you think?

Rittenberg: We're all wondering about the committee's collective guts, especially when it squares off against the SEC monolith. That certainly would be a way to show the group means business. Because it's not about whether the Big Ten stinks, as hundreds of SEC fans told me Sunday night on Twitter. Yes, the Big Ten stinks, but it's not a Big Ten-SEC debate. It's about the SEC living in the playoff realm alongside the Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12 and ACC.

While I'm not surprised by the SEC fan sensitivity to anyone who dares to critique their beloved league, how many other fan bases would actually want this? Don't fans want more appealing matchups? I know Big Ten fans want to play other league teams more, not less. They want more rivalry games. They want to see marquee nonleague contests. I'm guessing Pac-12 fans feel the same way.

The ACC's decision will be fascinating. Most of the coaches, like their colleagues in every other league, want to stay at eight. The ADs seem to be leaning toward nine. We could have four leagues playing nine league games and one playing eight.

The SEC would be on its own. Perhaps that's exactly what it wants.
 

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This doesn't apply to all SEC teams. UGA, UF, and USC all have instate rivalry games that are played every year. Seems that the SEC gets the scrutiny for being so dominate for so long in the recent years. I personally don't like the cross country Home/Aways. I think all fans would welcome more early season kickoff classics which has become very popular recently.
 

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A lot of schools have a traditional non-conference opponent... (USC/Notre Dame for example) USC plays that game every year then often goes out on the road not because it's easy, but because its hard. The new system will award aggressive scheduling such a that. It's like a diving contest. You get a score for how well you execute the dive, but you also get a score for difficulty. As it should be.

I think the basic idea is to play a 9+1 schedule with 9 being the conference games and 1 is an out of conference game vs a major conference school. Also to get away from scheduling any games vs FCS opponents... or possibly only one per year max... then do the best you can beyond that to strengthen one's schedule.

I'm pretty sure that the selection committee will be looking for aggressive scheduling as much as possible. Making it clear that self imposed limitations will count against a team or program is the intention I am getting. The B1G will soon be swearing entirely off of games vs FCS opponents. There are numerous ways that a conference/school can make it much tougher or much easier on itself. Many of the easier choices will be looked upon as less championship series worthy or as "low difficulty dives." 5 points for a home game vs an FCS or a minor conference opponent and up to 15 points for a road game vs a major out of conference school that played in a bowl game the previous season. Something less than 15 points for a non-bowl qualifier the previous year... etc. Something similar to that.

Up to now there has been neither an award nor a penalty system involved with most of the scheduling we've seen see as far as BCS rankings have gone. It's all been about # of wins out of 12 games and not much more than that. Just look at Notre Dame a couple of years ago, 90% cupcakes for opponents but they made it into the big game regardless because they walked through their season undefeated vs pretty easy competition for the most part. Consider that the opposite will be the case in the future. Cupcakes will be worth much less as will other scheduling factors that make life a lot easier. Call it a different kind of point system if you will. That is where this is headed. I am pretty sure of this because all of this kind of talk is going to put pressure on the playoff selection committee. Who's to say they wouldn't have come up with a kind of rewards system anyway like the way diving is scored -- or freestyle women's gymnastics, or ice skating etc? Higher difficulty as well as successful execution gets the best score. It just makes good sense and it is fair.

The tougher you choose to make your program (schedule) the greater the risk but also a greater reward is possible. I believe that the gist of the article is that the SEC had the opportunity but they missed the boat. I really thought this was when the SEC was going to a 9-game conference schedule.
 

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This > "If every league had the same model...nine league games, at least one marque nonleague game, a championship game...it could create a degree of equity, produce more appealing games for fans and allow the selection committee to evaluate teams with similar profiles."
 

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Things are starting to get very technical (and mathematical) now days when it comes to evaluating college football teams and the conferences they
are Members of and the eventual crowning of a National Champion, even after winning ]it] on the field. The fact is, National Champions have been declared dating back to 1869 with the first 33 teams coming from the Ivy League (surprise).....Then, "Mighty Michigan" broke the ice in 1901 after beating Stanford 49-0 in the Rose Bowl (that had to be one long ,tiring, road trip by train back then). Getting back to the issues:

Even though the era of college football playoffs is fast approaching, it appears the debate will continue to go on as to how teams are selected to
appear "front stage-center" (the final four) in the first place, giving them a chance to become National Champions. The "discussions" will continue to be very "lively" indeed.
 

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How does this work if you have a big game and both teams are ranked very high.....then one team flops. Example.....LSU/Whisky - both will be ranked somewhat high in the rankings supposedly. What if LSU flops and goes 6-6. Does this make that early season game (if it's close) not hold any value for Whisky? Maybe I don't grasp the point system, but what is keeping a team like Bama scheduling Colorado each year OOC. Not much difference in the bottom feeders vs a top program in the FCS.
 

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How does this work if you have a big game and both teams are ranked very high.....then one team flops. Example.....LSU/Whisky - both will be ranked somewhat high in the rankings supposedly. What if LSU flops and goes 6-6. Does this make that early season game (if it's close) not hold any value for Whisky? Maybe I don't grasp the point system, but what is keeping a team like Bama scheduling Colorado each year OOC. Not much difference in the bottom feeders vs a top program in the FCS.


The committee might just decide to count W/L records a little more seriously, especially when a 6-6 team is from a conference that played just 8 conference games. The truth may be that had the same team played in a conference that played a 9-game conference schedule, they could have wound up 5-7 instead of 6-6. Eventually when Colorado's W/L record is factored in they may not be worth diddly. And in the case of a team like EWU who won the FCS (or possibly an FCS conference champ or whatever the case,) I think the selection committee may want to view an opponent like that with a bit more respect. I believe that anyone in the know would feel the same way. I'm also counting on the selection committee being pretty sharp from one member to the next and not likely to be biased, but rather stick with some impartial approach the way the committees selection rules work (for the most part.) You can't expect perfection but you would think that most members might judge an FCS conference champ a little differently from a team just looking for a paycheck when they played an FBS opponent on the road.
 

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PS.... Albatross, that was a great question. I am liking where this thread is going. It seems to be headed in the direction of how the selection committee may run the show if it wants to be seen as impartial and wants its work to be accepted by most without too much controversy and debate. Couple that approach to a 4-team playoff and the playoff system could wind up being very successful with a lot of credibility. ANYTHING BUT ANOTHER BCS CIRCUS!!

And PPS: Wisky might not wind up with what they thought they'd have originally, but at the time the game is played, it will be looked upon as one hell of a decent matchup and everyone wants that.
 

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Men, one has to think the champs of the SEC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac 12 will carry some weight. Now, the Big 12 doesn't play a championship game and to me here's where the fun comes in for the committee. I'm not knocking the Big 12 one way or the other....just seems to be a disadvantage.

Hell, no matter the four teams chosen.....there will be a few unhappy teams.
 

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I'm afraid you are right Cloverleaf. Getting around that one could be pretty harsh. Storied teams like Oklahoma and even (gulp) Texas could wind up with an unfair advantage over the Baylors and OK lites. That is human nature (unfortunately.) But in time we hope these things will wind up being corrected on the field of play. Perhaps this will force the B-12 to raid the MWC (Fresno) and spread out some or adopt BYU or maybe a couple of teams from the AAC like Louisville, UCF or Cincinnati, wherever they might pick up some decent market share with a reasonably decent football program. At least that would make some sense to the bean counters at ESPN and FOX who will ultimately foot the bill for all of this.

By the way, I just saw that the first playoff ranking won't happen until October 28. Good stuff. Also the name for the selection committee's parent organization is officially the "CFP" (College Football Playoffs) It wouldn't surprise me to see that the rankings will follow the AP poll to some extent.

Here's a little more about what is about to happen.
 

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PS.... Albatross, that was a great question. I am liking where this thread is going. It seems to be headed in the direction of how the selection committee may run the show if it wants to be seen as impartial and wants its work to be accepted by most without too much controversy and debate. Couple that approach to a 4-team playoff and the playoff system could wind up being very successful with a lot of credibility. ANYTHING BUT ANOTHER BCS CIRCUS!!

And PPS: Wisky might not wind up with what they thought they'd have originally, but at the time the game is played, it will be looked upon as one hell of a decent matchup and everyone wants that.

A great question indeed.....My 2 cents worth: Since we are now entering the era of college football play-offs, the only (sure) way to resolve the potential for partiality by the selection committee is to have the final four determined is by winning on the field (i.e. NFL playoffs). I see (4) super-conferences with one finalist coming from each. It probably will never happen but it sure would eliminate most of the "debate".
 

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The winds of change are blowing. My guess is that 2-3 years from now the fbs as it is currently known will look a lot different. ...So i wouldnt worry too much about the SEC only playing 8 games or the Big-12 not having a conference championship. ....By 2018 everybody will be re-tooling and re-tweaking their formulas.

..But as for the present , i agree with clover , conf champs are going to carry weight.
 

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The winds of change are blowing. My guess is that 2-3 years from now the fbs as it is currently known will look a lot different. ...So i wouldnt worry too much about the SEC only playing 8 games or the Big-12 not having a conference championship. ....By 2018 everybody will be re-tooling and re-tweaking their formulas.

..But as for the present , i agree with clover , conf champs are going to carry weight.


hopefully it will end into at least a 8 team playoff
 

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Conan, here's the bottom line: the SEC doesn't really care what the PAC12 or any other conference says or does. Nothing really more to discuss. Not meaning to be arrogant about it, but that's really the bottom line. The SEC is set up for success. If a team like FSU can play Duke, Wake Forest, NC State, Maryland, Virginia, etc...and make it to the playoffs/championships then no SEC team need to worry about their schedule. No one from the SEC needs to apologize about their schedule either. When your conference fields the teams that the SEC does, does it really matter? No, except to non-SEC fans/conferences.

My only issue is the permanent opponent. That should rotate. Additionally, the winner of each Division should be based off of Division record...not overall record. If a team goes 6-0 vs. their Division THAT team should represent the Division. That's my biggest issue w/ the permanent opponent.

With that said, I'm sure it will go to 9 games sooner rather than later. Possibly by 2018?
 

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CB, I have tried to be as neutral as I could on this subject. In fact, it was expected that SEC fans would circle their wagons. Miller commented on that in the above article. As you say for yourself, I too feel no differently.

However it's impossible not to notice that the one extra game played out of conference vs a major conference school isn't anything different from how it's been recently done with all or most all of the major teams, but it was announced as if it is something different... as if there was a new factor lending itself to strength of schedule.

I think that if it came down to voting in an extra team from the SEC, that single case of a missing conference game won't pay off for them. It's out in the open and the selection committee will be looking for another qualifying game or win to make up for an 8-game conference schedule before looking around for a qualifying out of conference game. Either they find it or someone without that SOS 8-game factor having a full 9-game conference schedule will end up above them in the voting. That's how I read it if the selection committee wants to avoid any controversy.

I am betting that they will set themselves up in their first year of playoff selection that will include that SOS factor in their voting process. But also think that there will be 4 conference champs in the playoffs this year so the point could be moot.
 

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The SEC will have ONE team in the final four....don't think any differently.

My problem/concern with the whole process is the selection committee. Damn men, WHY are some of these people chosen for such a high profile position without MAJOR CFB experience.

XXXXXXX politically correct police are KILLING this great game.
 

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I heard Goober Cutcliffe (duke) on a radio show and according to his comments it is NOT a done deal that the ACC is going to 9 games. He said he expected it to be debated at this years meetings but he didn't expect a vote until next years meetings.
 

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Conan, I agree w/ what you're saying...but again, I think the leaders of the conference really don't care (at this point). I think one of the concerns is getting enough teams "bowl eligible". They have (I think) 10 tie-in's w/ bowls. W/ teams like UF and Tennessee having bad seasons (and not making a bowl game last year), that hurts the league. So, if they were to play an extra conference game that's potentially another loss that prevents an SEC team from making one of those 10 bowl games.

As far as the 4-team playoff, I think it will be very difficult to have more than 1 team from ANY conference in. The only way I could see that happening is if; say an LSU, UF, Bama, UGA or whomever loses very early in the season...doesn't make the conference championship game (like 2011 when LSU & Bama played in a rematch) and climbs the polls, finishing in the top 4. This IS possible, but not likely.

As a UF fan, the 9th game could put an end to the FL/GA game (World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party) in Jacksonville - which I think is among the top 10 traditions in all of college football. I'd hate to see that tradition come to an end.
 

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Coach, as you pointed out in the case of Tennessee and Florida LY with respect to bowl eligibility, the same could just as easily have happened to Arizona or even Washington though I think it's very unlikely with Petersen running that program we are likely to see it happen there but once in a blue moon. Nevertheless those are the slings and arrows of playing any kind of schedule. It cuts both ways, either for you or against you. Sure, being exposed to opponents with fewer losses appears on the surface as a plus because it will improve your own W/L record however closer examination of OOC opponents with respect to SOS can reveal the weakness in that approach. At least it's all out in the open now so whatever misguided PR claims in a positive light there may have been have likely been neutralized.

Today, the subject is academic because nothing has yet to play out under any scenario and it may never happen. My only disappointment is not having a level playing field with every team playing its season with a similar scheduling profile. It's not even a conference vs conference issue that is on the table today because there are plenty of SEC fans that feel as I feel because plenty of them would prefer watching Alabama play Georgia instead of Chattanooga. But then again, since when does any AD think what the CFB fan wants matters?
 

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