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So you can make a statement that's an obvious lie, that I wouldn't vote for Kasich, and then back off when something's on the line to prove you're lying. OK I'll leave it up to you? IF that scenario happens, how do you suggest I prove it, since you don't accept my words, my numerous Pro Kasich, anti Hillary posts. What are you willing to put on the line? I'm open to suggestions. Or maybe you'll take a pill, and post normally that "of course I believe you're voting for Kasich, you've said so many times and you don't lie".

It's simply an opinion. My opinion. I don't believe you'll vote for Kasich. If you do, great. I hope you have the chance to make that choice. As I've said many times, he's the guy I want in the White House. I hope you vote for him. Sadly, my money is on Bush/Clinton.
 

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It's simply an opinion. My opinion. I don't believe you'll vote for Kasich. If you do, great. I hope you have the chance to make that choice. As I've said many times, he's the guy I want in the White House. I hope you vote for him. Sadly, my money is on Bush/Clinton.
It's an opinion, with no basis in fact, other than to try and fit in with the sickos down here. When I say I'm voting for or against someone, That's what I'm doing, and trying to imply I'm lying about it is distasteful, and you're going to get blowback.
If it's Bush/Clinton, as I've said many times, I'm looking elsewhere.
 
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It's an opinion, with no basis in fact, other than to try and fit in with the sickos down here. When I say I'm voting for or against someone, That's what I'm doing, and trying to imply I'm lying about it is distasteful, and you're going to get blowback.
If it's Bush/Clinton, as I've said many times, I'm looking elsewhere.

Fine, dude. My opinion is a lie and you'll vote for Kasich. Happy? I'm really getting sick of the trying to fit in with the sickos stuff. Getting old. Had enough fun for one day. I'll eagerly await your nailed it.
 

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Fine, dude. My opinion is a lie and you'll vote for Kasich. Happy? I'm really getting sick of the trying to fit in with the sickos stuff. Getting old. Had enough fun for one day. I'll eagerly await your nailed it.

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So, as I said you're just talking out of your wishy washy ass yet again? I guess you're Lie that there's zero chance I'm voting for Kasich has been exposed as a Lying Ace style whopper. You'd be an idiot to take the bet because it's a sure loser, just as you're an idiot for making such an absurd statement that I wouldn't vote for Kasich in the first place.

You haven't "exposed" the fact that it is a "lie" there is a 0% chance you'd vote for Kasich. You're one of the bigger liars on the Internet and your word means nothing.

The fact you think a bet could be setup on this is surreal.
 

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You haven't "exposed" the fact that it is a "lie" there is a 0% chance you'd vote for Kasich. You're one of the bigger liars on the Internet and your word means nothing.

The fact you think a bet could be setup on this is surreal.
Bet can be set up easily. A Picture of My ballot with a personalized message to whomever I'm betting, a Mod holds the money beforehand. You down Lying coward? Or you gonna run away AGAIN, Just like the current one you're running away from, the year ban about The Senate getting a Veto Proof majority on the Iran deal, and all the bets you've run away from with Vit and Wabash? Running Coward Lying Ace. Even your fellow Cultists laugh at you.
 
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Bet can be set up easily. A Picture of My ballot with a personalized message to whomever I'm betting, a Mod holds the money beforehand. You down Lying coward? Or you gonna run away AGAIN, Just like the current one you're running away from, the year ban about The Senate getting a Veto Proof majority on the Iran deal, and all the bets you've run away from with Vit and Wabash? Running Coward Lying Ace. Even your fellow Cultists laugh at you.

Why do you keep asking people to bet you on outcomes that are completed controlled by you? Essentially, as long as you like the amount of money bet more than Hilary you win. You don't even have to like or want to vote for Kasich, all you have to do is want to stick to me or ace or whoever and want to pocket $x and you win. It's foolish to even offer something so ridiculous. If you pay me enough I'll vote for Hilary. I live in a state that isn't purple. It doesn't matter who I vote for. Your state is the same.
 

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Why do you keep asking people to bet you on outcomes that are completed controlled by you? Essentially, as long as you like the amount of money bet more than Hilary you win. You don't even have to like or want to vote for Kasich, all you have to do is want to stick to me or ace or whoever and want to pocket $x and you win. It's foolish to even offer something so ridiculous. If you pay me enough I'll vote for Hilary. I live in a state that isn't purple. It doesn't matter who I vote for. Your state is the same.

I honestly think spammy the rat is seeing the onset of dementia.

Apparently he votes absentee. They do that for the elderly.
 

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Why do you keep asking people to bet you on outcomes that are completed controlled by you? Essentially, as long as you like the amount of money bet more than Hilary you win. You don't even have to like or want to vote for Kasich, all you have to do is want to stick to me or ace or whoever and want to pocket $x and you win. It's foolish to even offer something so ridiculous. If you pay me enough I'll vote for Hilary. I live in a state that isn't purple. It doesn't matter who I vote for. Your state is the same.

I agree, I control the outcome. Since I'm truthful, and I know I'm telling the truth, and you and Lying Ace are lying when you say something that stupid, it's easy money, or whatever else you put up for me to win.
But the Veto Prof majority bet, I control nothing. Guess what. Same result. Lying Ace runs far away from that bet.
 

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I honestly think spammy the rat is seeing the onset of dementia.

Apparently he votes absentee. They do that for the elderly.

You putting the word "honestly" in any post is laughable. How about the Iran Pact Veto Proof Majority 1 year ban bet Lying Ace? Cat got your Lying Tongue, AGAIN?
 
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Keep kissing that sick Cult Butt and trying to fit in with the sickos.
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I agree, I control the outcome. Since I'm truthful, and I know I'm telling the truth, and you and Lying Ace are lying when you say something that stupid, it's easy money, or whatever else you put up for me to win.
But the Veto Prof majority bet, I control nothing. Guess what. Same result. Lying Ace runs far away from that bet.

I'm not lying, I'm sharing my opinion. Big difference, dumbass. Give me a decent ban bet, one that the outcome isn't 100% controlled by you, and I'll take it.
 

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Why Chuck Schumer isn’t actually going to kill the Iran deal
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By Mike DeBonis August 7 at 1:10 PM


While much of the political world (and the rest of America, for that matter) was enthralled by the first Republican presidential debate Thursday night, close watchers of Congress and foreign policy were just as intrigued by a piece of simultaneously breaking news: Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) had come out against the Iran nuclear deal.
Why has a single senator's decision garnered so much attention? Because Schumer is the presumptive next Democratic leader of the Senate, in line to take the reins from Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), when he retires after next year's elections, and thus, it is assumed, carries significant influence among Senate Democrats.
The decision generated immediate venom from liberal activists and from former aides to President Obama. MoveOn.org called it "outrageous and unacceptable that the Democrat who wants to be the party’s leader in the Senate is siding with the Republican partisans and neoconservative ideologues." Former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau tweeted, "This is our next Senate leader?" -- to which former Obama aide Tommy Vietor added, "He just made that a lot less likely."
But for a variety of reasons, Schumer's decision is not that big a deal. It's not going to kill the Iran deal. It's not going to swing many, if any, Senate votes. And it's not going to keep Schumer from succeeding Reid as the Senate's top Democrat.
In the scenario with the most impact, it could mean the difference between an Iran disapproval resolution getting bottled up in the Senate and sending it to Obama for a veto that will ultimately stand.
Here's why:
Arithmetic. While virtually every Democratic senator said initially that he or she was undecided on the Iran deal and planned to make a decision only after close study, only a small subset of the Democratic caucus is considered even close to likely to vote against it. Those include the eight senators who were early co-sponsors of the legislation establishing a congressional review process for the deal. Of those eight, two have announced support for the deal and only Schumer has declared opposition. (Another Democratic co-sponsor, Robert Menendez of New Jersey, is almost certain to be a no.) If no Republicans break ranks to support the deal, deal opponents would have to guarantee each of those undecided Democrats -- Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.), Michael F. Bennet (Colo.) and Richard Blumenthal (Conn.) -- maintained their opposition in order to block a Democratic filibuster, or try and recruit from the 12 Democrats who signed on to the Iran review bill only after the White House dropped its opposition. (One of those, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, announced her support of the deal Thursday.)
Long story short: getting the 67 votes to override a veto would require a monumental feat of persuasion under the current circumstances, and getting the 60 necessary to block a filibuster is hardly assured.
Timing. Is Schumer capable of pulling off such a feat? Maybe: As his ascension to Democratic-leader-in-waiting shows, he's as masterful a navigator of internal Senate politics as anyone in his caucus. But anyone who thinks Schumer's decision will prompt a mass defection of Democrats has never had a close encounter with a senatorial ego. While some senators might find Schumer's reasoning compelling and might crib their own rationale from it, no senator will dare suggest they are voting against the Iran deal because Chuck Schumer is, too. And note that his decision came not in an impassioned floor speech, not in a private entreaty to his Democratic colleagues, not even in a YouTube video, but in an written statement posted online after the Senate has gone home for its month-long summer break. (A person close to Schumer says his intention was to make the announcement Friday -- a leak, the person said, forced the debate-time posting -- but still.)
Yes, the timing will allow well-funded deal opponents to tout Schumer's opposition in a month's worth of TV ads. But there is little sign thus far that Schumer himself intends to participate in a broader public relations campaign against the deal, whether by lobbying against it on Sunday talk shows or holding town hall meetings or participating in rallies during the recess. If Schumer were dead-set on killing the deal, he would have made his intentions known weeks, if not months, ago.
Politics. Schumer signaled in a statement Thursday that he does not plan to personally lobby Democrats against the deal: "There are some who believe that I can force my colleagues to vote my way. While I will certainly share my view and try to persuade them that the vote to disapprove is the right one, in my experience with matters of conscience and great consequence like this, each member ultimately comes to their own conclusion." And that is why -- Obama aides' outrage aside -- Schumer's standing in the Democratic caucus is not in doubt. Schumer's feelings about the deal are well known, and his opposition hardly registers as a surprise to anyone who has tracked his public statements on Iran's threats toward Israel, his longstanding alliances with pro-Israel advocates, or the feelings of his constituency.
Had he declared all-out war on Obama's foreign-policy centerpiece, perhaps it would embolden a challenger to his leadership ambitions. But the relationships Schumer has developed during his 16 years in the Senate run thicker than one vote. And by expressing his intent to treat this as a "matter of conscience," he is signaling that you can sometimes vote against the party line when you have to, which is an important message to send for a future leader of senators who will invariably find their own personal political considerations at odds with party loyalty from time to time.


 

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I'm not lying, I'm sharing my opinion. Big difference, dumbass. Give me a decent ban bet, one that the outcome isn't 100% controlled by you, and I'll take it.

Nope, you're lying, trying to fit in with the sickos. I've been the 1st one down here on the Kasich Bandwagon, and you know that.
I'm already banning your wishy washy posterior for 3 months when I choose to. You'll earn your ban if you ever make a pill induced post that makes enough sense for a nailed it. No need for any ban bets with you.
 
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Nope, you're lying, trying to fit in with the sickos. I've been the 1st one down here on the Kasich Bandwagon, and you know that.
I'm already banning your wishy washy posterior for 3 months when I choose to. You'll earn your ban if you ever make a pill induced post that makes enough sense for a nailed it. No need for any ban bets with you.

I know you mentioned Kasich a while ago, I never said you didn't. I just said I don't actually think you'd vote for him. Are you dense? You do realize you're the only guy here who thinks I try to fit in with anyone, right? I really don't care who likes me and who dislikes me down here.
 

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I know you mentioned Kasich a while ago, I never said you didn't. I just said I don't actually think you'd vote for him. Are you dense? You do realize you're the only guy here who thinks I try to fit in with anyone, right? I really don't care who likes me and who dislikes me down here.
Nope, not the only one.
So connect the dots, Russy style. I brough up Kasich a long time ago, as someone I could support. I've bashed Hillary and The Clintons or years down here. In your mind, that points to me voting for Hillary over Kasich??? Speaking of someone being dense!
 
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Nope, not the only one.
So connect the dots, Russy style. I brough up Kasich a long time ago, as someone I could support. I've bashed Hillary and The Clintons or years down here. In your mind, that points to me voting for Hillary over Kasich??? Speaking of someone being dense!

It's simple. Guys that pimp politicians like Bernie and "Lizzy" don't often vote for guys like Kasich.

And yes, you are the only one. You cannot name another person that thinks I kiss the righties' asses.
 

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It's simple. Guys that pimp politicians like Bernie and "Lizzy" don't often vote for guys like Kasich.

And yes, you are the only one. You cannot name another person that thinks I kiss the righties' asses.

Nope, not the only one. Others have pointed out your passive aggressive attacks for no reason on Myself, Vit, Aki, Finchy, while giving the righties a pass.
I also "Pimped" Huntsman, and would have voted for him over Obama. It's simple. I don't fit into your pre conceived, simplistic, false narrative Lefty Box. I'll vote for someone of character, over someone who might have views closer to mine, but lack the character I'm looking for.
 

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By Caroline B. Glick

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In President Barack Obama’s defense of his nuclear deal with Iran Wednesday, he said there are only two types of people who will oppose his deal – Republican partisans and Israel- firsters – that is, traitors.

At American University, Obama castigated Republican lawmakers as the moral equivalent of Iranian jihadists saying, “Those [Iranian] hard-liners chanting ‘Death to America’ who have been most opposed to the deal... are making common cause with the Republican Caucus.”

He then turned his attention to Israel.

Obama explained that whether or not you believe the deal endangers Israel boils down to whom you trust more – him or Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. And, he explained, he can be trusted to protect Israel better than Netanyahu can because “ have been a stalwart friend of Israel throughout my career.”

The truth is that it shouldn’t much matter to US lawmakers whether Obama or Netanyahu has it right about Israel. Israel isn’t a party to the deal and isn’t bound by it. If Israel decides it needs to act on its own, it will.

The US, on the other side, will be bound by the deal if Congress fails to kill it next month.

So the real question lawmakers need to ask is whether the deal is good for America. Is Obama right or wrong that only partisan zealots and disloyal Zionists could oppose his great diplomatic achievement? To determine the answer to that question, you need to do is ask another one. Does his deal make America safer or less safe? The best way to answer that question is to consider all the ways Iran threatens America today, and ask whether the agreement has no impact on those threats, or whether it mitigates or aggravates them.

Today Iran is harming America directly in multiple ways.

The most graphic way Iran is harming America today is by holding four Americans hostage. Iran’s decision not to release them over the course of negotiations indicates that at a minimum, the deal hasn’t helped them.

It doesn’t take much consideration to recognize that the hostages in Iran are much worse off today than they were before Obama concluded the deal on July 14.

The US had much more leverage to force the Iranians to release the hostages before it signed the deal than it does now. Now, not only do the Iranians have no reason to release the hostages, they have every reason to take more hostages.

Then there is Iranian-sponsored terrorism against the US.

In 2011, the FBI foiled an Iranian plot to murder the Saudi ambassador in Washington and bomb the Saudi and Israeli embassies in the US capital.

One of the terrorists set to participate in the attack allegedly penetrated US territory through the Mexican border.

The terrorist threat to the US emanating from Iran’s terrorist infrastructure in Latin America will rise steeply as a consequence of the nuclear deal.

As The Wall Street Journal’s Mary Anastasia O’Grady wrote last month, the sanctions relief the deal provides to Iran will enable it to massively expand its already formidable operations in the US’s backyard. Over the past two decades, Iran and Hezbollah have built up major presences in Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Bolivia.

Iran’s presence in Latin America also constitutes a strategic threat to US national security. Today Iran can use its bases of operations in Latin America to launch an electromagnetic pulse attack on the US from a ballistic missile, a satellite or even a merchant ship.

The US military is taking active steps to survive such an attack, which would destroy the US’s power grid. Among other things, it is returning the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) to its former home in Cheyenne Mountain outside Colorado Springs.

But Obama has ignored the findings of the congressional EMP Commission and has failed to harden the US electronic grid to protect it from such attacks.

The economic and human devastation that would be caused by the destruction of the US electric grid is almost inconceivable. And now with the cash infusion that will come Iran’s way from Obama’s nuclear deal, it will be free to expand on its EMP capabilities in profound ways.

Through its naval aggression in the Strait of Hormuz Iran threatens the global economy. While the US was negotiating the nuclear deal with Iran, the Revolutionary Guards unlawfully interdicted – that is hijacked – the Marshall Islands-flagged Maersk Tigris and held its crew hostage for weeks.

Iran’s assault on the Tigris came just days after the US-flagged Maersk Kensington was surrounded and followed by Revolutionary Guards ships until it fled the strait.

A rational take-home message the Iranians can draw from the nuclear deal is that piracy pays.

Their naval aggression in the Strait of Hormuz was not met by American military force, but by American strategic collapse at Vienna.

This is doubly true when America’s listless response to Iran’s plan to use its Houthi proxy’s takeover of Yemen to control the Bab el-Mandab strait is taken into consideration. With the Bab el-Mandab, Iran will control all maritime traffic from the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. Rather than confront this clear and present danger to the global economy, America abandoned all its redlines in the nuclear talks.

Then there is Iran’s partnership 20-year partnership with al-Qaida.

The 9/11 Commission found in its report that four of the 9/11 terrorists transited Iran before traveling to the US. As former Defense Intelligence Agency director Lt.-Gen. (ret.) Mike Flynn told Fox News in the spring, Iranian cooperation with al-Qaida remains deep and strategic.

When the US Navy SEALs killed Osama bin Laden in 2011, they seized hard drives containing more than a million documents related to al-Qaida operations. All but a few dozen remain classified.

According to Flynn and other US intelligence officials who spoke to The Weekly Standard, the documents expose Iran’s vast collaboration with al-Qaida.

The agreement Obama concluded with the mullahs gives a tailwind to Iran. Iran’s empowerment will undoubtedly be used to expand its use of al-Qaida terrorists as proxies in their joint war against the US.

Then there is Iran’s ballistic missile program.

The UN Security Council resolution passed two weeks ago cancels the UN-imposed embargoes on conventional arms and ballistic missile acquisitions by Iran. Since the nuclear deal facilities Iranian development of advanced nuclear technologies that will enable the mullahs to build nuclear weapons freely when the deal expires, the Security Council resolution means that by the time the deal expires, Iran will have the nuclear warheads and the intercontinental ballistic missiles required to carry out a nuclear attack on the US.

Obama said Wednesday that if Congress votes down his nuclear deal, “we will lose... America’s credibility as a leader of diplomacy. America’s credibility,” he explained, “is the anchor of the international system.”

Unfortunately, Obama got it backwards. It is the deal that destroys America’s credibility and so upends the international system which has rested on that credibility for the past 70 years.

The White House’s dangerous suppression of seized al-Qaida-Iran documents, like its listless response to Iran’s maritime aggression, its indifference to Iran’s massive presence in Latin America, its lackluster response to Iran’s terrorist activities in Latin America, and its belittlement of the importance of the regime’s stated goal to destroy America – not to mention its complete collapse on all its previous redlines over the course of the negotiations – are all signs of the disastrous toll the nuclear deal has already taken on America’s credibility, and indeed on US national security.

To defend a policy that empowers Iran, the administration has no choice but to serve as Iran’s agent. The deal destroys America’s credibility in fighting terrorism. By legitimizing and enriching the most prolific state sponsor of terrorism, the US has made a mockery of its claimed commitment to the fight.

The deal destroys the US’s credibility as an ally.

By serving as apologists for its worst enemy, the US has shown its allies that they cannot trust American security guarantees. How can Israel or Saudi Arabia trust America to defend them when it is endangering itself? The deal destroys 70 years of US nonproliferation efforts. By enabling Iran to become a nuclear power, the US has made a mockery of the very notion of nonproliferation and caused a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

The damage caused by the deal is already being felt. For instance, Europe, Russia and China are already beating a path to the ayatollahs’ doorstep to sign commercial and military deals with the regime.

But if Congress defeats the deal, it can mitigate the damage. By killing the deal, Congress will demonstrate that the American people are not ready to go down in defeat. They can show that the US remains committed to its own defense and the rebuilding of its strategic credibility worldwide.

In his meeting with Jewish leaders Tuesday, Obama acknowledged that his claim – repeated yet again Wednesday – that the only alternative to the deal is war, is a lie.

Speaking to reporters after the meeting, Greg Rosenbaum, chairman of the National Democratic Jewish Council, which is allied with the White House, said that Obama rejected the notion that war will break out if Congress rejects the deal with veto-overriding majorities in both houses.

According to Rosenbaum, Obama claimed that if Congress rejects his nuclear deal, eventually the US will have to carry out air strikes against Iran’s nuclear facilities in order to prevent them from enriching uranium to weapons-grade levels.

“But,” he quoted Obama as saying, “the result of such a strike won’t be war with Iran.”

Rather, Obama said, Iran will respond to a US strike primarily by ratcheting up its terrorist attacks against Israel.

“I can assure,” Obama told the Jewish leaders, “that Israel will bear the brunt of the asymmetrical responses that Iran will have to a military strike on its nuclear facilities.”

What is notable here is that despite the fact that it will pay the heaviest price for a congressional defeat of the Iran deal, Israel is united in its opposition to the deal. This speaks volume about the gravity with which the Israeli public views the threats the agreement unleashed.

But again, Israel is not the only country that is imperiled by the nuclear deal. And Israelis are not the only ones who need to worry.

Obama wishes to convince the public that the deal’s opponents are either partisan extremists or traitors who care about Israel more than they care about America. But neither claim is true. The main reason Americans should oppose the deal is that it endangers America. And as a consequence, Americans who oppose the deal are neither partisans nor turncoats.
 

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