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Over 10,000 attend “Stop Iran Rally” in Time Square.

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Best speech of the night: Judging by how widely it is being shared on Facebook, this was the winner, from former U.S. Rep. Allen West.

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I want President Barack Obama to know one thing: You may say that you have done something that no one else has ever done. You know why no one else has ever done it? ‘Cause it’s a damn stupid thing that you just did.

 

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Into the Fray: The Iran deal – moronic, myopic, malevolent, mendacious

By MARTIN SHERMAN

07/23/2015 22:25

The most disingenuous & infuriating contention made by supporters of the ignominious Iran “deal” is that its opponents offered no better alternative

"Our goal is to get Iran to recognize it needs to give up its nuclear program and abide by the UN resolutions that have been in place...the deal we’ll accept is: They end their nuclear program. It’s very straightforward."
– Barack Hussein Obama, October 2012, presidential election debate

"I don’t think that any of us thought we were just imposing these sanctions for the sake of imposing them. We did it because we knew that it would hopefully help Iran dismantle its nuclear program. That was the whole point of the [sanctions] regime."
– John Kerry, before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, December 2013

As details emerge on the deal concluded with Iran last week in Vienna, the full extent of its calamitous significance is coming to light. Indeed, it appears that when, shortly after the announcement of the agreement, Benjamin Netanyahu described it as a “stunning, historic mistake,” he was grossly understating the case.

What took place in the Austrian capital was nothing less than a catastrophic failure of strategic resolve on the part of the US-led West. It was a craven capitulation on a calamitous scale, which, as time passes, looks less like an unintended mistake and more like an act of deliberate design.

After all, there was an enormous disparity of power and wealth between the protagonists, between the economically emaciated Iran, on the one hand, and the wealthy industrial powers on the other. Yet the side that desperately needed the deal, Iran, prevailed over the side that didn’t, but which desperately wanted it, the P5+1.

The result was an appalling document without a single redeeming feature.

It will not accomplish any of the goals that it purports to achieve. Likewise, it will not preclude any of perils it purports to prevent.

As such it might be seen as grotesque perversion of the slogan “Hope and Change” that swept Obama to power: For while its success is predicated on forlorn hopes of Iranian compliance, it ushers in the virtual certainty of disastrous change in Iranian capabilities.

‘... you’re going to hear a lot of dishonest arguments’

During his July 18 address to the American nation, Obama extolled the alleged merits of the Iran deal, alerting viewers: “... still, you’re going to hear a lot of overheated and often dishonest arguments about it.”

He is, of course, quite right. However, many – if not most – the “dishonest arguments” come from him – and his sycophantic minions, who, with almost Pavlovian reflexes, endorse any claptrap the White House might happen to claim.

Indeed, Obama and his administration’s officials have violated virtually every principle that they laid out in the past as to the nature of any acceptable agreement, and have grossly misrepresented the “achievements” of the one eventually conceded.

As the opening excerpts demonstrate, barely a year-and-half ago, the unequivocal goal of the Obama administration was the termination of the Iranian nuclear program and the dismantling of its nuclear facilities – as specified in six preceding UN resolutions.

Yet today, these goals are dismissed by the very people who set them, as mere “fantasy.”

Thus, in his July 14 statement in Vienna to announce the deal, Secretary of State John Kerry dismissed the goals he himself stipulated before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, in December 2013, as “not achievable outside a world of fantasy.”

More ‘…dishonest arguments’

Just how gravely the White House has misled the public is starkly reflected in Obama’s July 18 address. He proclaimed: “This week the United States and our international partners finally achieved what decades of animosity has not, a deal that will prevent Iran from attaining a nuclear weapon.”

This is patently untrue. It will not prevent Tehran’s theocratic tyranny from attaining weaponized nuclear capability, even if it deigns to adhere to the unverifiable and unenforceable inspection agreement, which it is ideo-religiously sanctioned – even, mandated – to violate, because it was concluded with “infidels.”

Even by the administration’s own admission it will merely delay Iran. Thus in a April 7 PBS interview, Obama conceded that the deal, even if adhered to, will pave, rather than prevent, Iran’s way to weaponized nuclear capability, baldly admitting that in barely a decade “the breakout times would have shrunk almost down to zero.”

Flying in the face of fact and reason, Obama, with breathtaking disregard for the truth, claimed that a deal, which provided up to $150 billion to the largest state sponsor of terrorism and sets an end to embargoes on conventional arms and ballistic missile technology on it “will make America and the world safer and more secure...”

Yet more dishonesty…

Disturbingly, it was none other than Obama who in an April 2 White House statement pledged that, notwithstanding impending sanction relief on the nuclear issues, “other American sanctions on Iran [including] for its ballistic missile program will continue to be fully enforced...” But they weren’t.

On this very issue, immediately prior to the announcement of the deal, The New York Times reported that “Obama’s secretary of defense, Ashton B. Carter... told Congress that part of the ban, on technology for ballistic missiles, was critical to America’s own security.” (July 10) Testifying alongside Carter before the Senate Armed Services Committee, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, expressed grave concern over the ballistic missile and conventional arms issue. He was adamant that “Under no circumstances should we relieve pressure on Iran relative to ballistic missile capabilities and arms trafficking...”

Yet to cut a deal with Tehran, Obama backpedaled, and in blatant contradiction to his own pledge, and to the unequivocal positions of the most senior figures in his security establishment, set deadlines for ending the sanctions on both conventional arms and ballistic missiles – all in an endeavor to “make America and the world safer and more secure.”

Sanctions: So much for ‘snap’

In an effort to convince skeptics of the merits of his approach, Obama has frequently contended that “If Iran violates the deal sanctions can be snapped back into place.”

Yet he warned that “Without a deal, the international sanctions regime will unravel, with little ability to reimpose them.”

Hmmm. The ease with which the administration’s claim that sanctions could be “snapped back” is difficult to reconcile with the claim that the very same sanctions could not be maintained if America held out for a more demanding agreement that was in fact consistent with the objectives for which the sanctions were initially imposed – i.e. termination of Iran’s nuclear program and dismantlement of its nuclear facilities.

But be that as it may, as numerous pundits have pointed out, this “snap back” claim is as deceptive as it is detached from the realities on the ground. Last week I cited former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger and George Shultz, who warned of the dangers of being lulled into complacency by “theoretical models of inspection,” which take no account of the daunting difficulties entailed in “[e]nforcing compliance, week after week” over long periods and across vast tracts of territory; and of eliciting international agreement as to the significance of any act deemed to be an alleged violation.

Strongly corroborating the Kissinger-Shultz caveat is an article published days after the announcement of the Vienna deal by Olli Heinonen, senior fellow at Harvard University’s Kennedy School and former deputy director-general for safeguards at IAEA, and Simon Henderson, director of the Gulf and Energy Policy Program at the Washington Institute.

Stridently titled, “There’s a huge problem with Obama’s claims about Iranian nuclear breakout under a final deal,” the article warns, “Even without hidden facilities, establishing most any Iranian violation of the agreement would likely take several months. First, the IAEA and respective agencies in Washington would have to come to that technical judgment; toward that end, inspectors would need timely access anywhere at any time to confirm such findings.

The next step would be to get the political leadership to accept that judgment, then sell the conclusion to the international community.”

So much for “snap.”

Distrust of allies, disdain of adversaries

Yet another ludicrous claim is made in Obama’s July 15 press conference: “Without [this] deal, we risk even more war in the Middle East, and other countries in the Middle East would feel compelled to develop their own nuclear weapons.”

Nothing could be further from the truth.

For indeed, the deep distrust that this deal has fostered in US allies and the equally deep disdain it has fermented in US adversaries will virtually guarantee a spiraling arms race across the region – both conventional and unconventional.

After all, as manifest US flaccidity erodes the confidence of allies in American resolve to safeguard their security and emboldens adversaries to undertake aggression with relative impunity – or at least, at bearable cost – friend and foe will rush to arm themselves.

As countries such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey and the Gulf states see the US presenting the lenient Vienna deal, with its far-reaching concessions to Iran, as “the best possible alternative,” there will be little to deter them from embarking on the own quest for similar capabilities – and much to induce them to do so, especially in light of their dwindling confidence in the US.

Unless one believes that, on having its uncompromising stance vindicated by the US-led P5+1 abandoning one redline after another, the ayatollahs will suddenly embrace a softer more humane approach, there is only one plausible working assumption to adopt: By generously replenishing the coffers of the current regime, the deal will assure that much of these resources will be channeled to enhance Iran’s military capabilities and those of its violent anti- US proxies across the region, forcing their adversaries to respond in kind.

I can see how readers might have a tough time understanding just how all this will, as Obama claims, “make America and the world safer and more secure.”

The worst whopper: ‘No better alternative’

Obama’s alleged ace-in-the-hole is the baseless baloney that opponents of the deal have offered no better alternative. It is a claim that is, at once, infuriating and disingenuous.

It is disingenuous because it was none other than Obama who laid out the alternative to the current deal – which assures Iran’s weaponized nuclear capability, provides funds to propagate terrorism and to destabilize pro-US regimes. Indeed, it was Obama himself who proclaimed that “no deal is better than a bad deal.”

So it is not that there was no alternative – it was merely that Obama was so eager to reach an agreement he was ready to accept almost any deal.

It is not that opponents of the deal did not offer cogent alternatives. It was that the proponents deemed that anything that Iran did not agree to was impractical/unfeasible.

Clearly, if the underlying assumption is that the only practical outcome is a consensual one rather that a coercive one – say of intensified sanctions, backed by a credible threat of military action – then the proponents might be right that there was no available alternative.

But they are cutting the ground from under their own feet. For if the US and its allies cannot confront Tehran with a credible specter of punitive, coercive action, there is no inducement for it to adhere to the deal – making its future abrogation inevitable.

Making regime change more remote

Of course if one wishes to see a durable, non-militarized solution to the Iranian crisis, perhaps the only conceivable avenue is regime change and installation of a more moderate, Western-oriented government.

But by greatly empowering and enriching the incumbent theocracy, the deal cut last week makes such a prospect incalculably more remote.

In the words of Saba Farzan, a German-Iranian journalist and director of a Berlin think tank, published in The Jerusalem Post: “The Vienna deal bears a very grave danger for Iran’s civil society. Not only won’t we see their economic situation improve, but the regime will also have an incentive to abuse human rights more severely. A flood of cash is going into the pockets of this leadership.

It will be used to tighten their grip [on power] and to further imprison, torture and kill innocent Iranians.”

She is, of course, right – and that is one of the greatest tragedies of the travesty concocted in Vienna last week.

Martin Sherman (www.martinsherman.net) is founder and executive director of the Israel Institute for Strategic Studies. (www.strategicisraelorg)
 

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This is pretty great news. Joe Manchin on board. One of the most Conservative D's in the Senate. If Chucky Schumer joins him, and I'm doing my part calling and E Mailing Chucky, this will lock up Veto Proof numbers. Good job Joe:

Manchin: Rejecting Iran Deal 'Not Good Scenario' for US or Israel

By Sandy Fitzgerald | Tuesday, 28 Jul 2015 10:10 AM

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is leaning toward voting for the nuclear agreement that's been reached with Iran, but first he has some questions as congressional talks move forward.

"Basically, it's not a perfect deal," the Democrat told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program Tuesday. "The bottom line is, do we go it alone, or with other allies?"

Manchin, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said that he has "made my own phone calls" and spoken to four of the five ambassadors of the P5+1 nations that negotiated the deal, and they all said the same thing: "If you pull away now, you go on your own."

The P5+1 refers to the six world powers that negotiated the Iran nuclear agreement — the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, the United States, China, Russia, France and Britain, plus Germany.

Manchin said he wanted to hear from the ambassadors if they'd agreed with the deal and were committed.

"They told me yes," he said. "I can only accept from what they've told me and accept them at their word, and they did tell me this. If we pull out, we pull out by ourselves. That leads me to believe that they will continue to do what they think is in the best interests for themselves ... and not try to go together as a group."

If the deal falls apart, "It will be each country for themselves, and that's not a good scenario for us, or for the Middle East or for Israel or anyone else," the West Virginian said.

Meanwhile, sanctions against Iran have been effective, said Manchin, but if the United States backs out of the deal that's been reached, "we are back to where we were."

"Also, we have proven, we can drop the bomb any time, anywhere," Manchin continued. "That's not a problem for the United States of America. If someone threatens our homeland, if we think they're a threat, we can take care of that militarily."

But at the same time, he said he's heard comments that Iran has "bamboozled" Secretary of State John Kerry and, by extension, the United States. If that happened, "then they bamboozled all the P5 and most of the world. I'd rather go with the world than myself."

There are still 45 days left for Congress to make a decision, and part of that time will be used to determine if there were other options, he said.

"Everybody says there is a better deal," he told the program. "What options are on the table or even basically discussed I could consider voting for? I'm leaning very strongly to saying, OK. Let's try, going along with the P5+1."

At this time, though, Iran's nuclear capabilities have gone down, and "we have been told they have enough fissile material to make 10 or 12 bombs," but "this has come kind of to a halt [over] the last year-and-a-half as talks have gone on."


Manchin said he still has concerns when it comes to Iran, including over its missiles, arms, human rights violations and terrorism activities, but "we can still keep those sanctions on for those purposes and we will."

"I would wish the rest of the world would ... engage on that, but not with the nuclear, because we are all together," said Manchin. "Our goal is to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon, period."

The part of the deal that concerns the senator is the "missiles they're able to continue to develop and the arms are able to acquire ... right now, I don't know how much we were able to stymie them. These are questions I need to have answered."

Manchin said he also plans to examine Iran's terrorist activities.

"Everyone says the money they will be receiving is $150 million," said Manchin. "We heard it's as low as $50 million or $60 million."

And if Iran is able to get its oil fields running, it will take in even more money to be able to get its economy moving again.

He also reaffirmed the United States' support of Israel, declaring that he does not know a Democrat or Republican in Congress who does not support the vital Middle Eastern ally or would not "go to war with Israel against Iran or any other nation that's trying to destroy them."

But the bottom line where Iran is concerned, Manchin said, is that other approaches have not worked, and he is sure that if Iran is listening to the rhetoric going on, "it probably concerns them just as much from their end or their ideological belief."

Also on Tuesday's program, co-host Mika Brzezinski asked Manchin his opinion about Republican candidate Mike Huckabee's comments that the deal walked Israel "to the oven doors," a reference to the Holocaust.

"It was not appropriate," said Manchin, pointing out that he was governor of West Virginia at the same time Huckabee was governor in Arkansas.
"I always considered Mike to be rational," he said. "He was easy to work with when he was the governor and in the governors' association.

"It's just unbelievable what this hyperpolitics, I guess chasing the media, chasing the money and the presidential campaigns will do to you. But that's not the Mike I knew."

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More good news. Longest serving Jewish Senator will support deal.

Schumer still mum, but White House gets key Iran deal backer

By Eugene Scott, Deirdre Walsh and Ted Barrett, CNN
Updated 6:17 PM ET, Tue July 28, 2015


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  • Levin's support comes amidst an intense debate on Capitol Hill over whether vote down the Obama administration's deal with Iran.
  • The Israeli government has harshly criticized the agreement and predicted it will lead to Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb.
Washington (CNN)The longest-serving Jewish member currently in Congress announced Tuesday that he'll back the Iran nuclear deal, saying it is the best way to protect Israel.

"I believe that Israel, the region, and the world are far more secure if Iran does not move toward possession of a nuclear weapon. I believe the Agreement is the best way to achieve that," said Democratic Rep. Sandy Levin in a statement.

The support of a veteran Jewish representative, who has served Michigan for 33 years, could be significant in building momentum for Democratic backing of the deal. Several of the senior Jewish members of Congress, including New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, poised to become the next Democratic leader in the Senate, have not yet disclosed where they stand on the deal.
Some of the most vocal opposition to the nuclear agreement has come from the Jewish community and pro-Israel constituents, who are concerned that the deal would endanger Israel. The Israeli government has harshly criticized the agreement and warned it will lead to Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb, an assertion the White House has strongly disputed.
Levin's statement comes amidst an intense debate on Capitol Hill over whether to vote down the deal. Congress is in the midst of a 60-day review period, and Republicans have widely indicated their opposition. As long as Obama can maintain support from members of his own party, he will have enough votes to sustain his veto of a congressional challenge.

But it's still an open question whether he can do that. There have been key Democratic voices supporting the deal, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Intelligence Committee ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein, both of California. But others have voiced criticism, including Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, until recently the Senate Foreign Relations Committee ranking member, and Rep. Eliot Engel of New York, ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
President Barack Obama will get a chance to convince some wavering Democrats to back the deal before they head home for a month-long summer break, when opponents will ramp up efforts to block it. The president invited all House Democrats to the White House for a "working reception" on Wednesday night.
But Engel detailed his concerns with the deal to CNN Tuesday. The agreement, which phases out after 15 years, "only postpones Iran from having a bomb and that's my major concern," he said.
In a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing Tuesday, Kerry warned that should Congress vote down the deal, it would collapse entirely because the U.S. wouldn't be able to provide the sanctions relief that Iran is due to receive in return for curbs on its enrichment of uranium, reductions in the number of its centrifuges, submission to intensive inspections and other requirements.
"To those who are thinking about opposing this deal because of what might happen in year 15 or year 20, I ask you to simply focus on this: If you walk away, year 15 or 20 starts tomorrow and without any of the long-term access and verification safeguards we have put in place," he warned.




Kerry will return to the Hill Wednesday in another part of their own campaign to win support, and Engel suggested they were likely to be successful in their appeals to fellow Democrats.
The lawmaker said the expectation is that Congress would initially vote to reject the deal and that Obama would veto that. Engel said he is unsure if the two-thirds of lawmakers necessary to override a veto would support the bill after that.
"I don't think it's impossible, but I think it's a very difficult thing to accomplish," he said.
Engel, like Menendez and Schumer, represent districts with many Jewish voters. Schumer in particular has been subject to an intensive lobbying campaign by outside groups to oppose the Iran deal.
As incoming Senate minority leader, Schumer will have an outsize role in determining whether the White House gets the Democratic votes it needs. While Schumer isn't looking to break with his party's president on something key to his legacy, he's also has his constituents to answer to.
Arizona Sen. John McCain, a Republican critic of the deal, pointed to the difficult position Schumer is in while speaking to reporters Sunday.
"Glad I'm not Chuck Schumer, I tell you," he said. "Boy he's got the toughest vote of his career coming up, as you know."
Schumer himself has declined to show his hand on whether he supports the deal.
Last week he told CNN that he's still considering the matter. "It's a serious issue and I'm studying it carefully and giving it what it deserves," he said following a classified briefing on the agreement. "You know, lots of things are in the agreement but lots of things you need to hear what people say or how it is interpreted, other facts and bits you need to know to see how the agreement works."

Other leading Democrats have also refraining from taking a public stand at this point.
No. 2 House Democrat Steny Hoyer, still undecided on the deal, said Tuesday that he will meet with top Israeli officials next month to discuss the agreement. The 60-day review period ends in mid-September.
"There are a lot of very heavy consequences of a vote for or against," the Maryland congressman said. "I've urged members to take as much time as they have available to them to be as confident as they can make themselves that their vote is the right vote for their country, for stability in the Middle East."
Hoyer is traveling to Israel in early August with other House Democrats to discuss Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's "very deep concerns" with the Iran deal.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida representative and the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, told CNN Monday that she needed more time to decide.
"My constituents at home have very strong opinions. It's a very well-educated pro-Israel district and, you know, I have a lot of respect from them and their opinion and I want to seek it while also making sure that I thoroughly understand all its implications," she said. "And as a pro-Israel legislator myself, it's very, very important to get this right."




Though some members of the American Jewish community have been among those pushing Congress most strongly to vote down the deal -- a charge led by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee -- Jewish voters express a diversity of views.
A survey of 501 American Jews conducted by the Los Angeles-based Jewish Journal in mid-July found that 53% think Congress should approve the deal versus 35 percent who think it should be opposed. There was a 6% margin of error.

However, the general public's attitude about the deal is more negative. A CNN poll released Tuesday found that 52% of Americans think Congress should reject the deal, while 44% say it should be approved. The survey of 1,017 adults was conducted last week and has a 3% margin of error.
Republican presidential candidates have been particularly harsh critics of the deal.
Several 2016 GOP candidates took to Twitter during Kerry's appearance on Capitol Hill to assail the agreement.
Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum called on followers to retweet him "if you agree Barack Obama's #Iran deal is the worst national security blunder in our history #StandWithIsrael."
And Texas Sen. Ted Cruz tweeted that the agreement would make the White House an abettor of Iran's bad behavior: "If #IranDeal goes through, Obama Admin will become the world's leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism."
 

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^^^ Thank God this group of uninformed manipulative Hollywood Tards don't actually make policy. 3:02 minutes of BS propaganda.
 

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^^^ Thank God this group of uninformed manipulative Hollywood Tards don't actually make policy. 3:02 minutes of BS propaganda.

Thank G-d this group of Hollywood people, Jordan's Queen Noor, and American Heroine Valerie Plame Wilson have the guts and the platform to tell the truth to the American People. May their efforts to help keep Iran Nuke free be rewarded by numbers that prevent an overturn of a Presidential veto when/if it comes.
 

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Thank G-d this group of Hollywood people, Jordan's Queen Noor, and American Heroine Valerie Plame Wilson have the guts and the platform to tell the truth to the American People. May their efforts to help keep Iran Nuke free be rewarded by numbers that prevent an overturn of a Presidential veto when/if it comes.

Iran still has a nuclear program and a pathway to the bomb, so the deal failed. I know you have an aversion to the truth when it turns your far left paradigm on its ear but this deal paves the way for an Iranian nuke and brings us closer to war. You post this fear-mongering garbage as if Iran will destroy us if we don't do this deal and it's BS. I guess in your mind also the points made in many of the previous posts in this very thread which expose this deal for the POS that it is don't exist either. Queen Noor huh? Mother of the ruler of an enslaved population where a Muslim American went to become radicalized so he could return home and shoot up Chatanoga? That's who you want to prop up?
 

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From the getgo Obama should have insisted on releasing US prisoners as the first phase of the negotiations. Trading Bergdahl shows how hypocritcal Obama is. He wanted a deal and he thought that might have held it up even more or cancelled it all together. No man left behind should include non military as well. Leaving the prisoners out of the equation shows him for what he really is. No deal was much better than this deal and we should have kept the sanctions.....period until they agreed to release the prisoners. This deal is a sham and will be exposed for what it really is in time and it is all on Obama, no one else to blame.
 

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"Peace for Our Time"

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“After many months of principled diplomacy, the P5+1 -- the United States, the United Kingdom, France, China, Russia and Germany -- along with the European Union, have achieved a long-term comprehensive nuclear deal with Iran that will verifiably prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon and ensure that Iran's nuclear program will be exclusively peaceful going forward.”

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Kerry Unsure if Iran Has "A Specific Plan" to Destroy U.S.
"I think they’ve said ‘Death to America,’ in their chants, but I have not seen this specific.”

Congress beats Kerry like a rented mule.

Secretary of State John Kerry told a Republican lawmaker on Tuesday that he isn't quite sure if Iran intends to destroy the United States, the Times of Israel reports.

Texas Republican Lloyd “Ted” Poe posed some awkward questions to Kerry regarding the nuclear deal with Iran during Kerry’s appearance before the House Foreign Affairs Committee:

Is it the policy of the ayatollah, if you can answer for him, that Iran wants to destroy the United States? Is that still their policy, as far as you know?

Kerry's hedging response:

I don’t believe they’ve said that. I think they’ve said ‘Death to America,’ in their chants, but I have not seen this specific.

He thinks the Iranians have chanted "Death to America"? He's not even sure about this frequent, well-documented occurrence? Poe continued:

Well, I kind of take that to mean that they want us dead. That would seem like that would be their policy. He said that. You don’t think that’s their policy? I’m not mincing words. Do you think it’s their policy to destroy us?

Again, Kerry danced around an honest answer:

I think they have a policy of opposition to us and a great enmity, but I have no specific knowledge of a plan by Iran to actually destroy us.

Oh, he has no "specific knowledge" of a plan to actually destroy us. That is very comforting coming from our Secretary of State. How about general knowledge, or even an inkling of the possibility that a theocratic regime that refers to us as “the Great Satan” intends us harm? Does Kerry have that?

“Iran has cheated on every agreement they’ve signed,” said Rep. Ed Royce, the panel’s chairman. With Kerry, Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz and Treasury Secretary Jack Lew waiting to testify, he asked if Tehran “has earned the right to be trusted” given its history.

Kerry was visibly frustrated by the questions and concerns of Congress: “Nothing in this deal is built on trust. Nothing,” he said, without bothering to explain why we should make a deal with an enemy we cannot trust that requires so many warning protocols.

Asked what would prevent Iran from essentially taking our money and running toward building an atomic bomb, the clueless Kerry replied that that was not a likely scenario, as the Times reports. He said the Iranian government is under pressure to improve the economy in their country where half the population is under 30 years of age and wants jobs.

And he defended the inspection protocol under the agreement, arguing that if Iran tries to develop a nuclear weapon covertly, the international community will know: "They can’t do that. Because the red flags that would go off — the bells and whistles that would start chiming — as a result of any movement away from what they have to do” to meet their obligations under the agreement, Kerry said.

Very reassuring!
 
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Good for these dudes.

“I would like to know how, specifically, will we work with our allies to minimize the potential windfall to terrorist organizations, and protect our allies like Israel,” said Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), the ranking member on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “Our friends in Israel rightfully are concerned that Iranian funding of terrorism would continue to affect them in an existential way.”


Democratic Reps. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) and Ted Deutch (D-Fla.) also raised concerns about Iran’s ability to continue or even increase funding for militant groups wreaking havoc in the Middle East and posing a serious threat to Israel and the United States.



“They’re holding four American hostages. Assad is killing 5,000 people a month and the blood is on the hands of men in Tehran,” Sherman said. “They’re supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthi, and those are just the organizations that begin with the letter H.”


 

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President Obama is a genius















.....when he's standing next to John Kerry.
 

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Good for these dudes.

“I would like to know how, specifically, will we work with our allies to minimize the potential windfall to terrorist organizations, and protect our allies like Israel,” said Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), the ranking member on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “Our friends in Israel rightfully are concerned that Iranian funding of terrorism would continue to affect them in an existential way.”


Democratic Reps. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) and Ted Deutch (D-Fla.) also raised concerns about Iran’s ability to continue or even increase funding for militant groups wreaking havoc in the Middle East and posing a serious threat to Israel and the United States.



“They’re holding four American hostages. Assad is killing 5,000 people a month and the blood is on the hands of men in Tehran,” Sherman said. “They’re supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthi, and those are just the organizations that begin with the letter H.”



These are all valid questions, but they have little to do with what this agreement is about, stopping Iran's March to nukes, which this agreement is BY FAR the best way to accomplish.
The hostages, Iran's funding terrorist groups, etc, are all SEPARATE Issues that pale in comparison to the main one, an Iran with Nukes. When/If we finalize the agreement on the Nukes, that the extremists here and in Iran are desperately trying to scuttle, and Iran is more integrated and dependent on the economic benefits and incentives of the agreement, they will hopefully be a more willing partner in the other stuff. Probably not, but what we have been doing isn't working, so at least we are trying a new approach.
 

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Iran still has a nuclear program and a pathway to the bomb, so the deal failed. I know you have an aversion to the truth when it turns your far left paradigm on its ear but this deal paves the way for an Iranian nuke and brings us closer to war. You post this fear-mongering garbage as if Iran will destroy us if we don't do this deal and it's BS. I guess in your mind also the points made in many of the previous posts in this very thread which expose this deal for the POS that it is don't exist either. Queen Noor huh? Mother of the ruler of an enslaved population where a Muslim American went to become radicalized so he could return home and shoot up Chatanoga? That's who you want to prop up?

IF this deal passes, Iran's pathway to the bomb has been halted, so the deal would be a tremendous success. That's the Truth. IF it fails, like paranoid Extremists like you desperately want, we are closer to War and Iran is closer to Nukes, and everyone is closer to destruction.
Kerry said it best here: "To those who are thinking about opposing this deal because of what might happen in year 15 or year 20, I ask you to simply focus on this: If you walk away, year 15 or 20 starts tomorrow and without any of the long-term access and verification safeguards we have put in place," he warned.
 

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What the Syrian Weapons Charade Says about the Iran Deal - Max Boot

The Wall Street Journalexposed how Syria failed to comply with its obligations under the agreement with the U.S. to get rid of all its chemical weapons. "One year after the West celebrated the removal of Syria's arsenal as a foreign-policy success, U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that the regime didn't give up all of the chemical weapons it was supposed to."

In reality, inspectors are at the mercy of their hosts who, after all, control the country and can prevent the inspectors from going where they are not wanted.

In the real world, both the inspectors and the U.S. government are far more likely to overlook supposedly minor Iranian violations, while telling themselves that it's for the greater good because being overly confrontational will destroy the entire agreement.

And even if it's caught, as Syria has been caught, what will happen? The Syrian example suggests the answer is: Nothing.

The writer is a senior fellow in national security studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.
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What Israeli Intelligence Learned about the Iran Talks - Ronen Bergman (Tablet)



  • [*]On Nov. 26, 2013, three days after the signing of the interim agreement between the powers and Iran, the Iranian delegation returned home to report to their government. According to information obtained by Israeli intelligence, there was a sense of great satisfaction in Tehran then over the agreement and confidence that ultimately Iran would be able to persuade the West to accede to a final deal favorable to Iran.

    [*]The Iranian delegates told their superiors that "our most significant achievement" was America's consent to the continued enrichment of uranium on Iranian territory - a complete about-face from America's declared position prior to and during the talks.
    [*]In early 2013, Israel learned from intelligence sources in Iran that the U.S. held a secret dialogue with senior Iranian representatives in Muscat, Oman. Only toward the end of these talks did Israel receive an official report about them from the U.S. government. Shortly afterward, the CIA and NSA drastically curtailed cooperation with Israel on operations aimed at disrupting the Iranian nuclear project, operations that had racked up significant successes over the past decade.
    [*]Perusal of the intelligence material makes two conclusions fairly clear: The Western delegates gave up on almost every one of the critical issues they had themselves resolved not to give in on, and also that they had distinctly promised Israel they would not do so.
    [*]Israeli intelligence points to the Teba and Tesa plants in Iran's military industry that are currently engaged in the development of new centrifuges: the IR6 and IR8. The new centrifuges will allow the Iranians to set up smaller enrichment facilities that are much more difficult to detect and that shorten the break-out time to a bomb.
    [*]President Obama said at the Saban Forum that Iran has no need for advanced centrifuges and his representatives promised Israel several times that further R&D on them would not be permitted. In the final agreement Iran is permitted to continue developing the advanced centrifuges.

    The writer is a senior political and military analyst for Yediot Ahronot.

 

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You are delusional.

Same to you. You will never accept the truth. You have a pre conceived notion, and no matter what facts come out you won't budge. Have it your way. Thankfully and hopefully, enough people are ready to move on to a Nuke Free Iran, and allow this agreement to take hold, and give the world the best shot to do so.
 

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