So after reading the fasting thread here ar RX, I gave it a try for one day and.....

[Donnybasbl]

In the past, i've done a diet called CKD and have been successful. About 8 years ago, I went from 215 to 175 in about 6 months. It's a modified Atkins diet for people who are very active and workout (which I did obsessively back then). You eat less than 20g of carbs Mon-Fri and then "Carb up" on the weekends so that you can do strong workouts Mon, Tue, Wed. I was able to maintain my weight in the 180-185 range for about 4 years, until I injured my knee and had microfracture surgery and had to cut back significantly on working out.

I've tried to do that diet now (i'm 43 yo), but I just can't make it past 2 or 3 weeks, because as I've gotten older, I just don't want to deny myself the things I like to eat. My main weaknesses are: a large bagel with cream cheese every morning, a nasty sweet tooth and snacking right before bed.

So this week, I decided to start logging all my food and exercise on an excellent website that has the nutritional content of every food you can imagine. I have not had to manually enter calories for anything, yet, as everything was in the database. So i'm doing just what Iceman said in his post. The site determines my caloric goals for the day and I make sure i'm at or under that goal. I try to stay a little under Mon-Fri because I know i'll look to eat a little more on the weekend. But as he said, i'm not really denying myself anything I want (other than the 3 weaknesses I mentioned above). I'm still eating pasta and other things I like and I feel much better than I have when i've tried other diets. My goal to to go from 200 to 185 by year end.

I go to the gym 4 times a week and do martial arts 2-3 times a week, so that helps burn calories as well.

Just so this doesn't seem like too much thread drift, I think my body would shut down after 12 hours on a fast. I know how i've felt while fasting before surgeries and it felt like I was dying. I'm not sure everyone is made to do that. I suppose we can all do it, if we had to, but why torture yourself if you don't have to.

 

[2PLAYSMAX]

I can do the one meal a day thing, but haven't been strict about doing so of late. Not to mention they say eating three small meals a day is best per some outlets.

I remember in 2007 when my father passed unexpectedly I went like 3 weeks without eating. I lost like 25lbs and to say the least that diet isn't one I would recommend to anybody.

 

[D2bets]

I think you could do just as well eating very small (like a couple of 250 calorie snacks during the day) and do this for several days. I don't think the starvation thing is good. Just go under 1,000 calories and do it for as many days as possible. No need to starve. It resets your metabolism in a bad way. Your body will burn off the 1,000 cals very easily. Do this, drink water and exercise. No need to see how long you can fast, and it's difficult.

 

[Iceman]

I agree with some of you about why fast?

Eating and losing weight is all a math problem really. You can almsot figure it out ahead of time if you stay disciplined and just stick to it, which can be easier said then done cause it is too slow for some people (me included) but tell yourself this, 8 weeks will be here in 8 weeks, what will I look and feel like then by doing this.

I did the fast for a few reasons, one of which was just to see if I could actually do it.

The first 12 hours are nothing to it as I already pretty much do it. After that it becomes more about habit.

Here is my biggest problem with eating; if I start to eat anything then I want to nibble and snack all day and that starts to add up even though I am not eating anything big. So I figure the longer I can hold out the lower my calories will be for the day.

The funny thing is when I am "eating" right like I have been the past 2 months, I constantly think about eating. It is all I think about all day, not in a painful way but when I can eat, what i can eat, etc... It's non-stop.

But if I am in the middle of my weight gain time, I will not think about eating that much but when I do eat it will usually be crap.

Okay latest update is: 11 hours without food. Trying to make it till tomorrow morning which will be 32 straight hours, we shall see. That is the goal for this.

 

[Objection]

I do pretty much the same thing you do. I gain about 15 pounds during winter and I lose it over the summer. When I'm losing the weight I keep my calorie intake between 1100-1400/day and I lose the weight. I've read that fasting more than 1.5 or 2 days really slows the metabolism down and the body goes into "storage mode"

 

[Iceman]

Up to almost 24 hours without nothing except one bottled water. Going to try and make it to the morning. Not really hungry either.

This was way easier this time compared to the last. Not sure why.

 

[BROMOx]

In the past, i've done a diet called CKD and have been successful.

CKD is awesome. Lyle McDonald is THE expert for this type of stuff. If you really want to take the fasting approach, which I disagree with, at least read his latest book - The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook. He explains how to go very low calorie and what types of food (protein almost exclusively) you MUST eat along with a few supplements. A search will find his forums @ bodyrecomposition.

 

[J.T.]

To really lose maximum weight and get in the best shape the quickest you should be working out pretty much every day also, and if you are doing that I would imagine fasting would be very difficult to do as your body needs fuel for the workouts

I think there are better and healthier ways to lose weight and look good, but am always interested in reading about different diet plans and hearing the results.

 

[Iceman]

I did it. Around 32 hours and still going. Still not hungry really. Didn't even think about it really. May try and go a little longer. Was hungry only when I went to bed last night and fine ever since. Not much of a morning eater.

 

[Dante]

I did it. Around 32 hours and still going. Still not hungry really. Didn't even think about it really. May try and go a little longer. Was hungry only when I went to bed last night and fine ever since. Not much of a morning eater.

what your doing is not good for your body ice... your sharper then this

 

[Dante]

my wife is a RN icey.... she showed me this site after I told her about what you are doing here is some of what it says


What Causes The Yo-Yo Effect?
Crash diets are linked to the yo-yo diet effect because of the impact that this type of starvation diet has on your body's metabolism. In order to support all of the functions that your body performs on a daily basis, your body needs to burn a certain amount of calories. The rate at which your body burns calories is known as your metabolism.
During crash diets, your body eventually clues in to the fact that it is receiving a very low number of calories. As a result, your body actually adjusts its metabolism, so that it burns fewer calories in order to perform all of its necessary bodily functions. This means that it takes fewer calories for you to gain weight, making it more and more likely that you will put on weight at the end of your diet. Your body can maintain this decreased metabolism for a number of months, or even years, after a serious low-calorie diet.

What are the Health Risks of Crash Diets

Crash diets aren't only a poor way of losing weight and maintaining healthy weight loss, but they are also very dangerous for your body. There are both short-term and long-term health effects that you could experience by following a strict crash diet.
Mental Health Problems
Crash diets are extremely hard on your overall mental and emotional health. Not only do crash diets cause extreme food cravings, but they can also wreak havoc with your mood: you may find yourself feeling more irritable or depressed than usual when you are on a crash diet. Crash diets can also set people up for serious mental health disorders, particularly eating disorders like anorexia and bulimia.
Nutritional Deficiency
Low calorie diets tend to be very restrictive, and you will find that you will be unable to eat healthy foods. In fact, long-term crash dieting can result in serious nutritional deficiencies, as a result of eating a poor variety of foods. In particular, crash dieters are putting themselves at risk for:

• iron deficiency anemia
• vitamin B12 deficiency
• potassium and sodium deficiency

Potassium and sodium deficiency is particularly dangerous. These electrolytes are used by your body to ensure proper nerve and muscle function. They play a particularly important role in regulating the way that your heart beats. If potassium and sodium levels become low enough, you could suffer from a heart attack.
Vital Organ Damage
Crash diets are extremely dangerous for your vital organs, including your heart, kidneys, liver, and brain. In order to perform their daily functions, your vital organs rely on energy from your carbohydrate intake. During strict crash diets, carbohydrate and calorie intake is so low, that your organs cannot get enough energy from these sources. As a result, your organs begin to burn muscle tissue in order to get adequate amounts of energy to perform vital functions. If your calorie intake becomes low enough, your body will even begin to burn the muscle tissue that makes up your actual organs in order to provide your brain with sufficient energy to function. This can result in serious health problems, including:

• liver failure
• kidney failure
• heart attack
• stroke

http://www.epigee.org/fitness/crash_diets.html




she said her professional opinion is your playing with fire... the yoyo effect could something to

 

[billsfan]

Good stuff Dante.......

 

[billsfan]

Iceman, I admire your strength with the fasting and sticking with it........Hey, do you know that I have your Tigers cap here (that Betedge gave FH) and I have Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson's autographs on it (and someone else but dont know who it its???).......I will show you it when I meet you......but I get to keep the cap!

 

[quantumleap]

Fasting should never be used for permanent weight gain but the benefits are there for a 1-day or 2-day fast in that it allows your system to rest from food ingestion. As I mentioned before, your body needs energy throughout the day. This can be supplemented by drinking juices and eating soft foods like yogurt.

 

[Iceman]

Slow down all. I just did it for the last bit of my diet is all.

Keep in mind I had lost 15lbs the last 6 weeks but eating right everyday. I am a huge calorie counter and this was the easiest thing I have ever done and I got the results I wanted also. I finally got off the number I was stuck at for the past 3 weeks weight wise.

Basically what I did was 2 1 day fasts and each time I lost 2.5 lbs for the day. 5 lbs lost and there was nothing to. Actually felt great also the 2nd time. Will probably do this from time to time if it's this easy.

I never advocated doing this more then a day or two and never would either. I did read about it and thought it was interesting. It was also a will power thing for me and I wanted to prove to myself I could do it. Believe me if I thought it was hard or dangerous or didn't feel good I would have qut instantly but never once came close to feeling anything I couldn't handle. It was beyond simple, in fact I forgot about it most of the time or until bedtime.

 

[Iceman]

Iceman, I admire your strength with the fasting and sticking with it........Hey, do you know that I have your Tigers cap here (that Betedge gave FH) and I have Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson's autographs on it (and someone else but dont know who it its???).......I will show you it when I meet you......but I get to keep the cap!

Honestly it was actually your post in the other thread about doing this one day a week or so that inspired me to do it.

When it comes to losing weight I feel like I am almost an expert on it from doing it so many times. It's all a big math problem, figure out what you eat and burn and you will know how much weight you will gain/lose. I do it all the time. Counting calories is a daily thing for me.

I don't usually just jump into something without throughouly researching it, espeically something drastic like this. What you said combined with what I read made a lot of sense to me, esepically with doing something like this once a week or so for a variety of reasons. This isn't some sort of crash diet to me, I did it for numerous reasons. Like I said I was astonished how easy it was (2nd time I went 36 hours and that was even easier) and I look forward to doing this from time to time a day here or there, espically with all the beneifts I read about.

Will talk to you more about it at the bash. It should be a real good time. Look forward to meeting you and FH. I have told the wife the secret plan on how to talk you into moving out here while I work on FH (which I don't think will be too hard with him), LOL. You know what days you guys are coming into town?