JC = Jay Cohen
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Thanks to poster "AITON?"
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sick gambler
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Friday, April 19, 2002 4:45 PM
I've always wondered why everyone here raves about these deadbeats at WSEX. I tried them out once and that was it. Once is enough. Never again. First of all, their site is a joke. It's so GOD DAMN confusing. Too much information. It's a very weird site. When you submit your bet, you have to be very careful because it says in the same type of letter style, WAGER HAS BEEN ACCEPTED, AND WAGER HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED. Very tricky. I almost got fooled a few times. And what's with the one bet per 5 minute shit. Is this a bush league book or what? Fine they pay, but what a joke. Every advantage they have in any way you could think of. That's why they pay. They're cleaning up with their own rules like 1 bet per 5 minutes. What kind of shit is that? And then they limit you to a nickel or a dime on most games in hockey or NBA ML's. And to top it all off, what Greedo just said about those -320/+220. What is this crap.!! This is highway robbery. You might as well just go into a bank and rob someone at gunpoint, it's the same shit.
WWTS and WSEX are by far the 2 most overrated books in the industry. WWTS is not much better with their ML's and hockey only puck lines.
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JC
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Friday, April 19, 2002 11:14 PM
Hey Sick,
You post: "I do admit though that they did indeed pay me extremely fast. Even faster than almost anyone ever paid me."
But, how many times did you call WSEX DEADBEATS in this thread? What is your defintion of deadbeat? Because you got a bad vibe?
The 5 MINUTE rule:
Actually, it's not a rule at all but a safety mechanism for the player. I put it in. It has nothing to do with who you are or how much you bet. It is there to prevent you from "double clicking" the place wager button. It was probably a greater problem 5 years ago when internet connections were slower. People would get tired of waiting for a response and hit stop and/or hot the "place wager" button twice. They would see only one acceptance screen because the second covered up the first but they would have two bets. Of course, they would call after a loss to let us know about this. Of course the second bets were refunded. It took less than a day to add the 5 MINUTE feature. You can make the same play again but you have to change your wager amount, even if only by $10. Try it. It won't let you bet $20 twice in a row at the same line but it will take $20 followed by $30. The feature still exists today because sometimes people do double click. This is why the message reads something like. "You have already made that play..."
And of course I am proud to say after the feature was installed nobody ever complained about accidentally making the same bet twice again!
I would like to thank Alec for calculating the hold percentages on the lines in question. And finally, I can't believe all of this started over "Series lines." I was half way through the thread before I realized it.
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Friday, April 19, 2002 11:39 PM
JC
I'm pretty sure I tried to bet a game on the net twice at different lines and it rejected it. Anyhow, why are you guys the only book in the world that doesn't allow 2 bets in a row. No other book I know does this, and you never ever hear people coming in here and complaining about double betting. I think it's your website. With all due respect, I hated it. The customer service people were good and very courteous. Payouts on neteller were done in seconds, which was awesome, but I didn't like the site. It was the most complicating site I had ever seen, and I have been wagering for almost 7 years offshore now and seen em all. I also don't buy that 1 dime at a time for security reasons. Even when I called up, they would tell me it's 1 dime per 5 minutes. I'd tell the girl to give me 3k, she'd say that she could only take 1k at a time. But here was the funny part, I'd hang up and call right back and she'd say that it's only been 1 minute and I have to wait 4 more minutes lol.. Where's the security reason here??
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JC
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Friday, April 19, 2002 11:48 PM
SG,
I know what the computer does. I put it in and tested it. It doesn't come into play if the line moves and it doesn;t come into play if you change your bet amount. WSEX had a few problems and addressed them in a timely fashion. Maybe other sites don't have the same type of problem because their sites are so slow to begin with. WSEX was pretty damn fast and this feature knocked out that problem.
As far as the phone wagering is concerned that operator was probably not aware that if you varied the bet 1000, 999, and 1001, the system would have talen it. Otherwise the operator at the other endof the phone would be subject to the same constraints. Did you ask for a manager?
Let me ask you this: Why would you want to place the same play twice for the same amount at the same line?
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Friday, April 19, 2002 11:56 PM
No, I wanted to put 3 large. I put one dime in on the net right away which was the max. Then I noticed that the line still didn't change. So I call up to place the remaining 2000, and the woman tells me, " I'm sorry sir, but I just noticed that you put already put in a bet for 1k" and then she said that it hasn't been 5 minutes yet, and if I wait 5 minutes, another 1k. This is what I did not like. Besides this, and the ML's being so wide apart -800/+550, everything was ok. I was starting to get used to the website. If you could fix that problem of putting in 1 dime at a time and allow me to play 2 dimes a game on the net, I will definitely post up with you guys again. I know that getting paid by you guys was a pleasure and I could live with the high ML's, I just won't bet ML's.
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JC
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Saturday, April 20, 2002 0:02 AM
SG,
She did not know exactly what she was talking about. If the limit is $1,000 and you bet to win $1,000 and the line does not move, you could bet to win $900 on your next pass and it will take it. That's how it is set up. On the phone all the operator would have to do is manually enter the to win amount at 999 and it will take it.
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sick gambler
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Saturday, April 20, 2002 0:13 AM
JC
Ok let me get this straight. If the line is Lakers -340 and the max is 500 on the net. I could call up and say give me the Lakers -340 for 500. Then 3 seconds later I could say give me Lakers -340 for 490. Then 3 seconds later I could say give me the Lakers -340 for 480, etc... and the line will never change on me. If you say yes, you have yourself a new customer. I'm assuming you're going to say no that most likely they will change it after my first or second play, right? But that's why I was complaining also. For a big a casino as WSEX, why only do you take 500 on a ML. Olympic, who is in the same category as you guys, take 5 dimes on a ML. Your limits are too low.
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Saturday, April 20, 2002 0:22 AM
SG,
I said if the line has not moved. If you bet to won 500 and the line has not moved, you can then bet to win 490. If the limit is set at 500, it is unlikely that the line will still be the same after that second play but it is possible.
There are times when you bet the max at wsex and the line does not move.
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Saturday, April 20, 2002 0:28 AM
SG,
JC is completely right on this (obviously, he should know). I was going to jump in earlier this afternoon and correct you on that, but had to run off and didn't get a chance. I have gotten that message there also, where I put in a bet, and then tried to bet the same side for the same amount within a couple minutes. It's basically just a safeguard to prevent you from accidentally entering the same bet more than once, if you don't really mean to, as Jay explained. When I subsequently entered the same side for a different amount seconds later (still within five minutes), it accepted it without any problem. Personally I like the software, it's easy and fast from click to bet. It's a little confusing trying to access your history and funds available at first, but once you get used to it, it's a breeze. The only thing I don't like about them, is that they have some of the widest moneyline gaps out there, as you mentioned. Their futures went through a period of "ridiculousness" also, but it seems they are now offering something a little more fair in that regard. In terms of getting paid, as you know, they are very fast and they even give free Neteller withdrawals. This is a very good book overall and I have had nothing but good customer service experiences there personally. You may want to give them another look. See ya man.
BTW, your Expos have been really really good to me this year. I'm glad they didn't get zapped.
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Saturday, April 20, 2002 1:43 AM
JC, I don't quite understand fully on what the max bet is at WSEX if you can just bet the max over and over again. I was under the impression if you bet the max on a future(usually $500, sometimes $1k), you cannot bet it again unless the line moves. Am I wrong?
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Saturday, April 20, 2002 1:49 AM
Kid Vegas,
I was not there when they programmed the straight futures. I would assume that as long as the line is the same and it is not the same exact amount within 5 minutes (for safety purposes) you could bet it again.
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